I’ve had a hard time with this one, especially since Jesus said, “unless you eat my flesh you have no life in you.”
Reminds of Trump when he criticized McCain as not being a war hero, because after all, he got captured…
Joseph, Daniel, Shadrach , Enoch, Elijah, Job etc, etc, etc…ditto
Agree, and in Catholic thought, they cooperated with God, and in essence are also co redeemers…like Paul says, i become all things to all men so that some might be saved…he, we, take part in saving people, even though we all had original sin and then some…so to me doesnt make sense, that only someone perfect like Mary can be co redeemer , yet we also are used of God to save, though not perfect???
They said same about Jesus and first church.
You are being generous in saying it is clever! It actually makes no sense at all. The words within an example that incude the word “until” determine the meaning. For example: if on January 1, 2021 I am told I will not get out of jail until Janusary 1, 2022 it means something different than if I am told I won’t get out of jail until January 1, 3022.
I think He can but that He didn’t. The reason being that He was in a Fully Human form and chose to remain that way until after the resurrection in order to be the perfect Sacrifice.
If someone told me that never shot a gun until they were 12 I would assume they shot a gun when they were 12. In that senario, It doesn’t make since to say “until I was 12”. It would make more sense to just say “I’ve never shot a gun” or “I’ve never shot a gun in my life”.
show me where there is, or ever was, from the beginning, an infallible table of contents, listing by name, the books that are inspired scripture and only those books.steve-b:
Again weakest argument is one from authority, even one that is once right( scriptures) will always be right, even thousands years later.
Who is THEY you refer to?steve-b:
They said same about Jesus and first church.
Agreed, on linear timeline of one conception from one no intercourse phase.
Yes, that is one of the widely held beliefs, but you don’t get that from " one conception connected to no intercourse text. It neither contradicts nor fully facilitates. It is only one smaller portion of Mary’s timeline, marked by the famous “until”( which is another discussion).
Mary, mother of God, is ever virgin.steve-b:
Agreed, on linear timeline of one conception from one no intercourse phase.
Yet just from the above, to say that further down timeline there was intercourse and conception is not contradictory and possible, as much as not.
Yes, fifty per cent chance you are right.
100%steve-b:
Yes,fifty per cent chanceyou are right.
I do not buck the church authority to do this just as you do not buck authority that indeed now God does draw us internally also to the truth on the matter.
God’s chosen people and their magisteriums during our Lord’s and apostles ministry.
Seems like a big move on your part to say that. Just sayinsteve-b:
I do not buck the church authority to do this just as you do not buck authority that indeed now God does draw us internally also to the truth on the matter.*
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