The US Border wall

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I did. And he’s not.

He is the founder of a group advocating for immigration reform.

This is what they believe in:
Comprehensive immigration reform that begins with effective border security, allows a path to citizenship and lets us attract the most talented and hardest-working people, no matter where they were born.
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That’s not “open borders.”
 
There are a plethora of articles re MZ that n fact verify his open border stance.Keep reading
 
Jeanne_S said:
There are a plethora of articles
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Not just Breitbart. gatewaypundit, amren, redalert, IOW the usual suspects.

Here is an op-ed by MZ:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...11538ae90a4_story.html?utm_term=.817469c71681

Key quote:
We need a new approach, including:

●Comprehensive immigration reform that begins with effective border security, allows a path to citizenship and lets us attract the most talented and hardest-working people, no matter where they were born.
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Here is a link to an organization that involves him.

www.fwd.us

Commonsense Immigration Reform: Building A Better Way

Immigrants have long been a source of strength for our nation — building America, driving business creation, fueling innovation, and bolstering our middle class.
www.fwd.us www.fwd.us

Key ideas:
Secure our Borders
Providing law enforcement the tools necessary to secure the border will allow them to focus resources on enforcement priorities such as violent criminals and terror threats.

Family & Economy
Reform would create millions of jobs, reduce the deficit, and allow for innovation to keep the U.S. globally competitive. Reform would also strengthen millions of American families.

Provide a Pathway
Create a pathway to citizenship for 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States who do not have legal status.

E-Verify
After creating a pathway to citizenship, develop a simple and effective employment verification system. Establish a streamlined process for admitting future workers to continue to promote innovation and meet our workforce needs.
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Curiously: No open borders. If you read fake newss instead of the source, it is eay to be led astray.
 
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dvdjs said:
I am beginning ot think that “google it” sometimes means: I am ashamed to speak of my sources.
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It’s amazing that they’ll demonize a guy whose own organization’s website states their goals as, among other things, “Comprehensive immigration reform that begins with effective border security,” and somehow twist that into favoring open borders.

Amazing.

Facts just don’t matter anymore, do they?
 
What really has me shaking my head is all the ranchers along the border who voted for Trump, are now horrified and dismayed that the wall is going to cut right through their property. A classic case of “You can’t fix stupid.”

I personally would much rather see increased border patrols and electronic surveillance rather than an expensive boondoggle of a wall that the drug dealers are just going to climb over or tunnel under. Not to mention all the animals that will be stopped from migrating because of the wall.
 
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You must be projecting.Im not ashsmed of any sources I just don’t care to cut and paste every link like you do.
 
Jeanne_S said:
You must be projecting.Im not ashsmed of any sources I just don’t care to cut and paste every link like you do.
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Yeah, but here’s the thing:

I went right to the source. I’ve actually seen it before this day, but it came up here, so I checked again. I checked to see what Zuckerberg actually says about what he thinks about immigration.

You’d rather read what Breitbart (or something similar) says about what he thinks than deal with the reality.

Now, I’m not a fan of Zuckerberg, or his company, or the Silicon Valley bunch in general. I think what Zuckerberg has created is not good, in the long run, for our society.

But that doesn’t mean I’m going to make up crap about what he says and advocates.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Are you info shaming me?
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No, of course not. I’m not, anyway. But if you’re going to make claims about what people advocate, you have to expect your claims to be challenged if they don’t align with known facts.

That’s not “shaming” you, that’s just give and take.

Welcome to the internet.
 
Actually I was directing my comment to DVDS who mentioned I might want to reconsider my lack of feeling shamed.Actually it was tongue in cheek on my end anyway. None of this is really that important IMO
 
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hopefully they will, and our taxpayer dollars will not be wasted. We need border protection but a wall is not the answer. We need more sophisticated technology and a workable immigration policy, which could be achieved if we had a president who does not pit one party against the other.
I remember seeing the Berlin wall come down years ago. Building a wall that physically and psychologically separates us from the rest of the world is not sustainable.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Are you info shaming me?
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I am not familiar with the phrase; not sure what it means
I would simply prefer that people are reasonably sure of their sources, and that they are uncomfortable with and willing to repudiate sources that put them in the position of propagating misinformation.
 
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I said google them Its not difficult.At any rate I make a comment about Mark Z and all the usual suspects turn this particular thread into a commentEy about whether he actually is or isn’t for open borders.Scheesh !
 
I fully support the border wall. It is well within Catholic teaching to build this very big and beautiful wall.
 
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