The US Border wall

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I have never liked the “wall”.

After watching, “Human flow”, an Amazon Original, the Wall totally makes me want to vomit!
 
Giggly_Giraffe said:
After watching, “Human flow”, an Amazon Original, the Wall totally makes me want to vomit!
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Do you feel that way about all borders, or just the Southern US Border?

Can I infer you practice ‘open borders’ at your home, and leave your house/car unlocked, in case a passerby needs something?

BTW, I thought ‘Human Flow’ was about actual refugees, on economic migrants.
 
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Human flow is about refugees/immigrants. Yes the main focus is the refugees from Afghanistan, Iran, & Syria into Greece and Germany. Yes, there are some viciously scary boarder walls.

Yes, I have boarders, but they are not viciously scary! I don’t like locking my car. My previous car was a convertible; why lock an open car? My current car is a mom car. If someone really wants to take a week old sippy cup with rotten milk … please help yourself. I wouldn’t lock my house door, but it makes my husband feel secure, so I do. We don’t put a fence so uninvitting around our stuff that people know to go away. We don’t march along our property line with weapons. Frankly, that’s not a way to live and you are holding on too tight if that’s how you want to live.

The film also covers the Mexican Boarder. Since the film is mostly visual, it is clear what the wall speaks. Again, this is not the life we should be living. This is not he country I want to hold my flag up high for. We can do better.
 
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It sounded good at rallies? That and lock her up. And flailing around ‘not’making fun of a disabled reporter, because that’s just what adult billionaires do.
 
Giggly_Giraffe said:
I have never liked the “wall”.

After watching, “Human flow”, an Amazon Original, the Wall totally makes me want to vomit!
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Anybody can make a movie showing whatever they want in it.

What I’m not understanding is what you really espouse. Do you want open borders, or is the wall just aesthetically unappealing as a means to control the border?

Nobody can argue with your letting in boarders, leaving your car and house unlocked, etc. But do you believe you have a right to tell your neighbors they must do the same? Or are they free to lock their houses if they feel their safety requires it?

Finally, have you ever sponsored any immigrants? If you haven’t, do you think you should if you’re going to ask others to do so?
 
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I live in an HOA governed community and they would deny houses with barbwire boarders and barricades. Yes, it is a community thing. Yes, boarders on our country is a community thing. United we stand; divided we fall. Come to the table with another plan.

We had a house who got a new expensive roof without approval from the HOA and they forced the home owners to get another roof. Expensive mistake! Should a wall be built without majority acceptance, it too would be an expensive mistake; as I’m guessing the next administration would tear it down.

Now, should an individual state want to spend its own state money on a wall, well, that would be more in line with a neighborhood that doesn’t have an HOA.
 
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Giggly_Giraffe said:
My previous car was a convertible; why lock an open car? My current car is a mom car. If someone really wants to take a week old sippy cup with rotten milk…
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Correct, no one would want a sippy cup with week old rotten milk, but the little fingers that likely held that little sippy cup last week are a completely other story, are they not?

Unless, you feel the same way about the safety of your presumed child(ren) that you do about the sippy cup or your husband.

Look up Rotherham or Telford child grooming.

Careful of ideological snares.
 
Our border has always had big bridges and doors for legal visitors.

I urge you to redirect your sympathy to our our under privileged citizens, they are the ones hurt most by illegal economic migrants.
 
I’m just saying I don’t want to live in a neighborhood that paints houses pink and allows residents to selfishly and dangerously barbwire their property. I don’t want my country to make bad walls, use my tax dollars for bad choices, and make our lands look corrupt.
 
Hilary sucks and will never be President!

You seem clueless that it was the Bush’s who did the NAFTA.
 
Not seeing your connections. Houses south of the border are far more likely to be walled and with broken glass inset on the top, to keep out uninvited guests.

Nothing is corrupt about creating a tight labor market for entry jobs, it helps our most vulnerable people get on their feet and earn a living wage. I’d like to see people with criminal records or other blemishes be sought after as employees.

I also think that the better we enforce our immigration and work laws, the less we will see illegal immigration.
 
Giggly_Giraffe said:
Should a wall be built without majority acceptance, it too would be an expensive mistake; as I’m guessing the next administration would tear it down.
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I think the real problem will be the many miles of private land that will need to be confiscated through eminent domain.

I don’t think they will bother to tear it down, just let it go unmaintained until it falls down, or the persons breaching the border knock it down.
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allows residents to selfishly and dangerously barbwire their property. I don’t want my country to make bad walls, use my tax dollars for bad choices, and make our lands look corrupt.
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Although Mexicans are mostly discussed as part of the immigration debate, many fail to remember that half of Mexico came to be part of the United States through war and conquest (1848). This experience has been described by indiginous persons dwelling in what was “Mexico” and later slashed into what was first Texas, then “the United States”.

The poignant statement is “We did not cross the border, the border crossed us.” In other words, thousands of Mexicans and their descendants never immigrated to the US. They were already there long before the US came to possess those lands. The reality of these person s never comes into the dialogue with Trump’s proposed border wall. These people, who are themselves sovereign nations, experience the fallout from being within the boundaries of nations that are complicit with invasion and war.

The other life forms that are not taken into account is that of various wildlife.

forgive the WP liberal citation here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-s-territory-in-texas/?utm_term=.e2919b32a123
 
Well, if the wildlife were born in another country …

Perhaps we should also deport Canadian geese, butterflies, and swallows.

Before people beat me up, joke a little. Laugh lines look better on you than scowl lines do.
 
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guanophore said:
Although Mexicans are mostly discussed as part of the immigration debate, many fail to remember that half of Mexico came to be part of the United States through war and conquest (1848). This experience has been described by indiginous persons dwelling in what was “Mexico” and later slashed into what was first Texas, then “the United States”.
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I am not sure how these people enter the immigration debate? Are they upset because Mexico has such strict immigration laws?
 
Annie said:
I am not sure how these people enter the immigration debate? Are they upset because Mexico has such strict immigration laws?
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No, they are upset that the US and Mexico drew borders through their ancestral lands, splitting their population into separate countries.
 
Giggly_Giraffe said:
Hilary sucks and will never be President!

You seem clueless that it was the Bush’s who did the NAFTA.
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See, when one says “someone of her sort” that means “not her, but somebody like her”.

And it would have been better to learn whether I do or don’t know who signed it before telling me I’m clueless. The reality is Bill Clinton signed it.

www.politifact.com

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Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has repeatedly criticized the North American Free Trade Agreement and poi
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Probably one of the best things he did.
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He completely failed to make his modifications a reality - labor and environmental protections. Those two areas are the great equalizers and non-compliance gives Mexico a huge competitive advantage.
 
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