The Vatican Condemned Halloween Last Year

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Julianna,

Nice post! 🙂

It’s sad to think that things that brought so much joy to us as children could be looked upon by some as diabolical and evil. I can’t get over the idea that some think a 6 year old girl dressed as a princess and saying “trick or treat” is somehow on a wayward path.
 
Any Roman Catholic who is made aware of this, can’t in good conscience, defend the celebration of it.
Well obviously I don’t defend the practice of Celtic paganism, witchcraft or necromancy. What does any of that have to do with kids dressed up as Dora the Explorer or Frodo Baggins begging for a handful of Tootsie Rolls? I don’t think the Celts even had Tootsie Rolls.

If my hypothetical child wanted to dress as Harry Potter or Hermione the witch or whatever, I’d point out that actual witchcraft exists and has to be avoided. I’d have already lectured my kids about Tarot cards, ouija boards, etc. But if they want to put on a big, floppy hat and carry around a broomstick… that doesn’t have anything to do with the occult.

I say this as someone who would not be entirely opposed to the state instituting the death penalty for witchcraft. But wearing a cartoon witch outfit and carrying a broomstick and saying “Transmutio toadem!” at your friends does not constitute witchcraft. Not even remotely.
 
Hey thanks for the great costume idea: I’m going to dress up as a martyred saint! Hmmm…maybe St. Lucia with her eyes gouged out? lol.

I’m an artist and have recently returned to the Catholic Church. One of the things I truly love about our Catholic tradition is its appreciation and support of the arts. Anyone who has some sense of ‘taste’ can appreciate the ‘savor’ that the darker aspects of the human and divine drama can bring. When done deliberately and well, the shadows can bring a great lucidity to the forms.Without them, there mey not be much to see. Just imagine “Dante’s Divine Comedy” without its demons and tortures, or Peter Paul Rubens’ “Last Judgment” without the sordid sufferings of the damned. Can you think of one good story that has no evil in it, no villains? Just look at Scriptures, the greatest story ever told contains descriptions of death and suffering and evil that can make your hair curl. I can’t speak for everyone, but I know what has always attracted me to the festival of Halloween is that its a chance to pretend and to make-believe. Its a great creative outlet for kids and adults where the arts of theater, costume, illusion, design, cookery, story telling and even music are celebrated. The emphasis on death and the macabre is a natural fact of its arrival during the autumn season. Psychologically we are preparing for the ‘death’ that winter brings. Instead of mourning the difficulty of the season, we make a game of it, and use it as a spark to ignite our imaginations.

When I came to Christ I was a graduate student studying fine art. I nearly dropped out of the program and gave up my career because I questioned whether or not the visual arts as I knew them where pleasing to God, or whether they offended Him.Through years of careful deliberation I am satisfied that God Himself is the Master Artist, and His work unreservedly describes the entire range of human drama and conflict. Who am I to condemn anyone for describing the good as well as the evil in their creative work and play? Am I to understand that the Lord, who taught in parables, disapproves of fiction? Would images of His death on the cross be any less profound without the blood and horror of it? Let us pastor our kids to understand that Halloween is about creativity and make-believe, gifts of the Creation which are God-given. Lets join them in the fun of earthly festivals and look to, rather than avoid their meaningful undertones. Let’s see if we can remind them and ourselves this Halloween that evil exists and death IS scary… but then we remember that evil is always conquered by good. As Christians, we should both shudder at death - for it is an abomination, and laugh in its face - for it is a sore loser! That’s exactly what we do on Halloween. We Christians more than any one else should know the secret behind the seeming contradiction of horror commingled with gaiety we encounter in the Halloween spirit. The secret is this: Christ has triumphed over death itself! Tee hee! We know this from the most important drama we posses; one most rich and colorful and at times gruesome and terrifying; a story that painters and poets and actors and musicians never tire of representing: the Gospel.

That’s my experience and I hope it helps. Lets draw nearer to God by examining (carefully) His creation through our creative activities instead of pulling away from it. Course, if looking at death is really tempting for you, go ahead and poke out your eye, as the Lord said. Eeck!

Now to go work on my costume…
 
Okay, I know I read about this somewhere a couple of years ago… just can’t remember where! :confused: Anyway, from what I was reading Halloween takes it’s name from the old English wording of the night before All Saints Day, or All Hallow’s evening. The ancient Celt celebration that people have mentioned was done on a different day from Oct. 31st.

I read that it was the custom in some areas for people to dress up as the martyred saints, thus the at times “gory” outfits. Also, some people were to dress up as demons or the devil. This was not a fun job as all the other people, dressed as the saints, could make fun of these demons; pointing out that they (we) are the ultimate victors in Christ.
 
And you should !

Any Roman Catholic who is made aware of this, can’t in good conscience, defend the celebration of it.
WOWIE caboodles batman, it’s sure a great thing that you know better than the high ranking officials of the church! Hevean forbid we actually have freedom in the areas they’ve allowed us to have freedom! :rolleyes:
 
I was at a friends house a few years ago, and he told me his 15 yo son was into Satanism. He said the boys mother had found a copy of the Satanic Bible in his room. Anyhow, a few minutes later, the boy walks in, and his father confronts him.

Guess what he says ?

“What is the big deal ? You and mom used to dress me up as the devil and my sister as a witch on Halloween”
Hate to breakit to you, but I think your friends kids are either dumb as a box of rocks, mildly mentally retarded, or simpley doing what all teenagers do and looking for a way to blame their bad behavior on their parents.
 
Just curious… as a Catholic, are we not supposed to believe that satan exists and that he can effect things in this world?
Don’t put words in my mouth. Of course I believe satan exists and can influence this world. But I certainly don’t think carving a pumpkin to look like a kitty cat is going to turn anyone into a Lucifer Loving satanist.
 
Hate to breakit to you, but I think your friends kids are either dumb as a box of rocks, mildly mentally retarded, or simpley doing what all teenagers do and looking for a way to blame their bad behavior on their parents.
If you are going to accuse others of being “mildly mentally retarded” you should improve your spelling and grammar skills.
 
Hey, it’s only fair. After all, she called all us typical lax Catholics.

Seriously. Kids ain’t as stupid as people on here seem to believe. Those kids? Yeah. I’d bet good money that putting on a black dress in October isn’t what turned them to the occult. They just want to pass off the blame and responsibility to authority figures
 
If you are going to accuse others of being “mildly mentally retarded” you should improve your spelling and grammar skills.
Actually, its a completely valid sentence (minus the typo with “simpley”). “Mildly” is an adverb. You do know adverbs can be used to describe other adverbs… right? :ehh:

Anyways, can we get back on topic now? I’m rather amused that At Trent bewails the secular detraction of Christmas and Easter yet somehow turns blind at how the same thing has happened to pagan Samhain. Honestly, if the ‘spirits of the dead’ are so easily fooled by costumes of superheroes, cartoon characters, and cardboard robot suits then they don’t seem to be very bright. :rolleyes:
 
Ok, so a young child is spotted dressed as a hooker. I can see it now, people talking about how wrong it is. And it is indeed. But dressing them as witches and devils is ok ?

Perhaps everyone is right though. With all the filth on television, a costume might not be the gateway.
 
WOWIE caboodles batman, it’s sure a great thing that you know better than the high ranking officials of the church! Hevean forbid we actually have freedom in the areas they’ve allowed us to have freedom! :rolleyes:
You got a friend in low places 👍
 
Julianna,

Nice post! 🙂

It’s sad to think that things that brought so much joy to us as children could be looked upon by some as diabolical and evil. I can’t get over the idea that some think a 6 year old girl dressed as a princess and saying “trick or treat” is somehow on a wayward path.
Thanks Tim. I think At Trent just chose to ignore my observation. It is true you will not find many Trick or Treaters in the southern (mostly Baptist) neighborhoods as you will the Catholic ones.

It reminds me of when I asked the priest who was going to marry us…how should we settle the problem of alcohol at the reception. (Hey it was and Irish/Italian wedding reception after all :D) He told us to have two separate drink tables…one with Catholic punch in the bowl/fountain and another with Baptist punch in the bowl/fountain. He guaranteed me that although there will be more Baptists at the reception, the Catholic punch bowl (alcohol table) will have to be replenished more often. 😃

And Easter…wow! another big deal. And no my Baptist and Pentacostal cousins do not do the “Easter Basket” for the kids on Easter Morning. My siblings and I got one every year until about age 12…and so did all the kids on my block (all Catholic).

Christmas Eve…another big deal as well as Christmas Day. St Patricks Day and Columbus Day…yes…another big deal.

Oddly enough…my siblings and I are tea totalers…as soon as my Baptist/Pentacostal relatives…became of age…they went buck wild. 🤷
 
Ok, so a young child is spotted dressed as a hooker. I can see it now, people talking about how wrong it is. And it is indeed. But dressing them as witches and devils is ok ?

Perhaps everyone is right though. With all the filth on television, a costume might not be the gateway.
You laugh at me for calling such children idiots, but you seem to assume they are. Seriously. Kids ain’t stupid. By the time they’re old enough to choose cstumes and trick or treat on their own, they’re old enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality. It’s not a “gateway to satanism.” i was a witch every single year for Halloween. Ever. Single Year. My favorite shows growing up wer Sabrina, The Worst Witch and Harry Potter. And I couldn’t touch a deck of Tarot cards with a ten foot poll. You;ll find my butt in mass every week.

But according to you, my dad sent me down the path to eternal damnation when he let me play with a broomstick.

How do you even get out of bed in the morning? Aren’t you terrified that devils are hiding in your bunny slippers?
 
Okay, Shondrea needs an attitude ajustment, but I agree with her and the others. If everything that was called a gateway in this forum really was, there would be no Christians left. Halloween, Taylor Swift, Pokemon, Disney. It’s ridiculous, sorry
 
I recall Hercule Poirot (fictional Agatha Christe character) saying something along these lines:

“Hallow’s Eve is the night for lighting of the candles for the souls of the departed, not for the telling of scary stories and silly costumes!”
 
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