The Vatican Condemned Halloween Last Year

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FFF. Well, it’s true. I can’t fathom how people can screamm about every little thing. They say, But there is real evil in the world! And accuse us of making a mockery of evil. But some people see evil everywhere.

I wouldn’t allow my future child to go as a serial killer for halloween, or anything else gorishly violent. And I wouldn’t allow them, young, to attend a party with a fortune teller or some other such nonsense. If they were older, I’d trust them to avoid that particular booth. But really, some people just see evil EVERYWHERE. Yes, my friends, there is evil in the world. the devil does use the world to lure people into satanism, the occult and other evils. But Halloween? Draping a sheet over a lamp to make a ghost? Throwing trinket spiders over your lawn? Decorating your house like an ancient haunted manor? handing out Skittles to Belle and the Power Rangers? Forgive me, I fail to see Satan here
 
At_Trent said:
Ok, so a young child is spotted dressed as a hooker. I can see it now, people talking about how wrong it is. And it is indeed. But dressing them as witches and devils is ok ?
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Excuse me but do you even know what a real devil looks like? Answer: Nobody does. The little, horned imp in the red jumpsuit is just an artistic fabrication just like those toga-wearing humans with bird wings and glowing circles over their heads that are somehow supposed to be angels.

Hence, you’re comparing apples to oranges. We all know what a hooker looks like. Not so with demons.

You can apply the same logic, to an extent, regarding witches. Furthermore, just because you dress like something doesn’t make you that something. Would you revere anyone dressing up as Jesus or the Pope even though that person was actually doing it to mock our faith (like some liberals, atheists, and pro-gay activists I’ve been cursed to encounter)?

I think I’ve made my point.

Besides, how can something this cute be demonic?

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Marisa-chaaaan!!! >w<
 
shondrea said:
She’s so cute! Who is she and what;s she from?
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Her name’s Marisa Kirisame, a character from Touhou Project. It’s a series of cute (but insanely difficult) side-scrolling shoot-em-up games. There’s also a fighting game spin-off though (and one that I thoroughly enjoy ;P)

From what I’ve seen, the Touhou girls are as popular as the Vocaloids.
If I ever get a chance to celebrate Halloween, I’m gonna try and dupe my sister into cosplaying her. Fufufufu… >B3
 
Have you ever seen what is commonly observed in Latin American countries regarding death? It certainly is a celebration and a fixation almost as Catholic rituals are combined with folk religious beliefs (Such as the Day of the Dead in Mexico).

This is all Halloween is really, an American version of Day of the Dead combined with the spirit of carnival. It’s just a day when people dress up and have the fun.

I don’t understand what’ the big deal about “glorifying” death. If you look at traditional Catholic practices and rituals, especially dating from the Mid evil times death and the “Dance Macabre” are certainly out there in the picture. Look at all the morbid imagery, such as skeletons and grim reapers that are all over Europe and date back to very early times. The idea was that people should embrace and accept death as a part of life and be aware of their own impending demise.

This imagery is certainly more Catholic (At least culturally) then the “culture of life” stuff which emerged only recently on the Catholic scene and seems to have a lot of new age overtones to it. Plus, it is kind of dull to celebrate life when the subject of death is so much more fascinating to our human impulses and imagination.
 
Adeodatus said:
Woah, homeslice. That has got to be the girliest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. You pull that out of your Hello Kitty lunch box? 😛
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No, I got her from my Treasure Chest of Absolute Moe. Do not disrespect teh Moe!! >o<;;
All hail Moe!!! 8D is shot repeatedly
Adeodatus said:
I’m a Kiki’s Delivery Service man, myself. I mean, it’s Miyazaki, right?

http://www.nausicaa.net/miyazaki/kiki/kiki1.jpg
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I’d certainly would like to see more people cosplay Miyazaki’s characters. Personally though I’m more of a fan of Howl’s Moving Castle and The Cat Returns.

I’d cosplay Howl myself but I’m not sure I’m that handsome. :o

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Julianna said:
Thanks Tim. I think At Trent just chose to ignore my observation. It is true you will not find many Trick or Treaters in the southern (mostly Baptist) neighborhoods as you will the Catholic ones.

It reminds me of when I asked the priest who was going to marry us…how should we settle the problem of alcohol at the reception. (Hey it was and Irish/Italian wedding reception after all :D) He told us to have two separate drink tables…one with Catholic punch in the bowl/fountain and another with Baptist punch in the bowl/fountain. He guaranteed me that although there will be more Baptists at the reception, the Catholic punch bowl (alcohol table) will have to be replenished more often. 😃

And Easter…wow! another big deal. And no my Baptist and Pentacostal cousins do not do the “Easter Basket” for the kids on Easter Morning. My siblings and I got one every year until about age 12…and so did all the kids on my block (all Catholic).

Christmas Eve…another big deal as well as Christmas Day. St Patricks Day and Columbus Day…yes…another big deal.

Oddly enough…my siblings and I are tea totalers…as soon as my Baptist/Pentacostal relatives…became of age…they went buck wild. 🤷
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I didn’t ignore it. I just voiced my opinion and stand by it. 🙂
 
Wow there are some Catholics on here that are just too dry ja ja. I am sorry, but if you think holloween is about celebrating death and worshiping satan then you need to get out more. I mean how many Catholic cathedrals have statues of scary gargoyles? Does that make them a satanic place for worship? It’s mostly a kids holiday in Amercia, let them have there fun to be who they want to be by using there God given imagination. Maybe as parents you could encourage them to dress up as a Saint or even St. Michael for the boys. It’s once a year and sometimes even us adults need to escape from reality and just look silly lol. Instead of focusing on holloween we should focus more on getting Christmass back to it’s true meaning.
 
I think we need larger images so those on dial up have it rough 👍
 
At_Trent said:
I didn’t ignore it. I just voiced my opinion and stand by it. 🙂
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Well thank goodness you’re humble enough to acknowledge that what you say is just an opinion and not something said with papal infallibility. :rolleyes:

On the other hand, how you continue to stand by something while knowing that is another story. :rolleyes:
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And I think it’s high time you started backing up what you say with logic.
Unless of course this is all just some grand scheme of yours into making us think you actually believe the things you’ve said here. :rolleyes:
 
Oooo, I LOVE Halloween! Much to the embarrassment of my children, I name all of my Halloween decorations. There’s Steve, the butler, who stands on the porch with a tray of candy (he has a motion sensor, so he moves and talks when the kiddies come up); his daughter Dolores (also with a motion sensor), waving a bloody knife and carrying the severed head of Hank, her ex-gym teacher; then there’s Chris, Prince of Darkness, who’s so tall I have to hang him from the basketball hoop; Scooter, the demon who floats along the side of the driveway; Paula the wraith; Eric and Elizabeth, the zombie newlyweds; and of course Mr.Bones, the skeleton who hangs from the tree.

Miz

Edited to add: Oh, I forgot Ernest, the glow-y zombie coming up out of his grave!
 
Miserys_Fence said:
Oooo, I LOVE Halloween! Much to the embarrassment of my children, I name all of my Halloween decorations. There’s Steve, the butler, who stands on the porch with a tray of candy (he has a motion sensor, so he moves and talks when the kiddies come up); his daughter Dolores (also with a motion sensor), waving a bloody knife and carrying the severed head of Hank, her ex-gym teacher; then there’s Chris, Prince of Darkness, who’s so tall I have to hang him from the basketball hoop; Scooter, the demon who floats along the side of the driveway; Paula the wraith; Eric and Elizabeth, the zombie newlyweds; and of course Mr.Bones, the skeleton who hangs from the tree.

Miz

Edited to add: Oh, I forgot Ernest, the glow-y zombie coming up out of his grave!
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… … … adopt me
 
I am a HUGE Halloween fan. I guess I’m the iconoclast around here. I adore it. Love spooky stuff, horror movies, creepy decorations, Iron Maiden, vampires (not the wimpy teenage junk from this generation but the nasty vampires you have to stake from years long ago), bring it!

My wife and I watch our marathons of Kolchak the Night Stalker, the 70’s TV horror show with Darren McGavin, a marathon of the TV show Friday the 13th in the late 80’s, and a bunch of John Carpenter horror flicks. LOVE Halloween…always will.

I don’t know why Catholics in here bash it. The Catholic priests are usually the heroes of horror movies, the only ones that can exorcise or destroy evil! They should appreciate the press! :p:)
Miserys_Fence said:
Oooo, I LOVE Halloween! Much to the embarrassment of my children, I name all of my Halloween decorations. There’s Steve, the butler, who stands on the porch with a tray of candy (he has a motion sensor, so he moves and talks when the kiddies come up); his daughter Dolores (also with a motion sensor), waving a bloody knife and carrying the severed head of Hank, her ex-gym teacher; then there’s Chris, Prince of Darkness, who’s so tall I have to hang him from the basketball hoop; Scooter, the demon who floats along the side of the driveway; Paula the wraith; Eric and Elizabeth, the zombie newlyweds; and of course Mr.Bones, the skeleton who hangs from the tree.

Miz

Edited to add: Oh, I forgot Ernest, the glow-y zombie coming up out of his grave!
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Kearney said:
Have you ever seen what is commonly observed in Latin American countries regarding death? It certainly is a celebration and a fixation almost as Catholic rituals are combined with folk religious beliefs (Such as the Day of the Dead in Mexico).

This is all Halloween is really, an American version of Day of the Dead combined with the spirit of carnival. It’s just a day when people dress up and have the fun.

I don’t understand what’ the big deal about “glorifying” death. If you look at traditional Catholic practices and rituals, especially dating from the Mid evil times death and the “Dance Macabre” are certainly out there in the picture. Look at all the morbid imagery, such as skeletons and grim reapers that are all over Europe and date back to very early times. The idea was that people should embrace and accept death as a part of life and be aware of their own impending demise.

This imagery is certainly more Catholic (At least culturally) then the “culture of life” stuff which emerged only recently on the Catholic scene and seems to have a lot of new age overtones to it. Plus, it is kind of dull to celebrate life when the subject of death is so much more fascinating to our human impulses and imagination.
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We don’t celebrate Halloween despite the largely Anglican/Presbyterian and Catholic origins of our society, although a few kids have been seen trick or treating - copying the scenes of Halloween as seen on our USA television programmes. So, in other words, it’s not an issue over here.

Growing up here, the Eve of All Souls Day and the day itself was an opportunity to release souls from Purgatory by visiting churches and cemeteries. The nuns told us what to do and what prayers to say. We were told to leave the church and grounds after getting someone out of Purgatory and then we could go in again to get a second one out… and so on. It was a technical trick and that’s what we did. It’s a bit hard these days because most churches aren’t open to the public except around Mass time. I think there are different rules now for getting people out of Purgatory.

But you know you can’t go past the Mexicans in their celebration of All Souls (Feast of the Dead), as the writer above alluded to. That leaves all other such celebrations for dead, so to speak. My Dutch cousin was invited to one of those celebrations in a cemetery with some Mexican friends, she said it was one of the most profound experiences of her life.
 
People do get too worked up over this. As a man who celebrates BOTH Halloween and Samhain, I can tell you they’re two very different things. Samhain isn’t a costume party and isn’t all that exciting an event for someone who doesn’t know what’s going in there. It has some huge significance to us and it can be a very emotionally moving and even cathartic time, but nothing like the schlock-horror depiction of it.
 
Halloween II sure painted a rosy picture of Samhain. Remember the Donald Pleasance scene in the school room talking about it when Michael Meyers wrote the word “Samhain” in blood on the chalkboard? LOL blood sacrifice, the hills ran red! 😃
kenofken said:
People do get too worked up over this. As a man who celebrates BOTH Halloween and Samhain, I can tell you they’re two very different things. Samhain isn’t a costume party and isn’t all that exciting an event for someone who doesn’t know what’s going in there. It has some huge significance to us and it can be a very emotionally moving and even cathartic time, but nothing like the schlock-horror depiction of it.
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gurneyhalleck1 said:
Halloween II sure painted a rosy picture of Samhain. Remember the Donald Pleasance scene in the school room talking about it when Michael Meyers wrote the word “Samhain” in blood on the chalkboard? LOL blood sacrifice, the hills ran red! 😃
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Hi gurneyhalleck,
The comic-strip nature of Hollywood could not even insert the proper pronunciation of “Samhain”; instead they had Donald Pleasance say “Sam Hayne”! And so it is with the commercialised garbage surrounding today’s marketing.
Some posters here (not you, sir) live in a mental bubble because they find today’s world too much to handle. Some years back, I met a so-called druid here in my small rural Irish town. His was truly a pathetic outlook. After several converstions with him, I can honestly say that I felt I was speaking with a little boy caged within a grown man’s frame.
The reason Hollywood and the commercial world loves Halloween is that it thrives on the “spooky” tales of childhood.
You can argue for anything in this world. The arguments from the sad “druids” is one of a spoilt child who will not surrender his magic set he got from Santa.
God Bless,
Colmcille.
 
I wonder how many Catholics who participate in Halloween also celebrate All Saints and Souls Days?
 
Ockham said:
I wonder how many Catholics who participate in Halloween also celebrate All Saints and Souls Days?
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My homeboundness keeps me form attending Mass, but I keep the Days holy all the same
 
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