The Vatican Makes a Statement About Notre Dame

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To that I can only say: trust God, have faith and who knows a miracle might happen.
So I take from that you would not be opposed to ND inviting David Duke to speak at the commencement and be awarded an Honorary Doctorate in Ethics because you hope a miracle might happen?

Since God is all powerful, should ND invite Charles Manson to speak and be awarded a Doctorate in Law? a miracle can occur there as well.

Or should we simply follow the words of Christ " Do not put the Lord your God to the Test"?
 
The catholics were probably thinking about the other things the president has done beside abortion. Saddly, other things are more important to some people than life. Though, I will never judge, everyone has their own set of problems.
Do you mean like promoting homosexuality, staying in a heretical ecclesial community that condemned America instead of praying for her and teaches African Liberation Theology, like desiring to repeal abstinence programs…, I could go on and on.

Nevertheless, those who have extremely poorly formed consciences will overlook abortion as though it is one equivalent issue among many. This in proper conscience cannot be done. The current occupant of the While House is the most pro-abortion president in the history of the US, not only protecting it, but promoting it as a good and valid solution to those “burdened by a baby” to use his own teaching on this. The conferring of an honorary law degree validates that someone is recognized as a teacher. Is this the kind of teaching that a “Catholic” college should promote? No, it should be in the business of condemning. This cannot be overlooked for some alleged other “good” which if you actually check, is not good either. The ignorant and those of malformed conscience will continue to defend 0bama. It’s up to those who obey and love God to speak up!
 
God Bless Archbishop Burke! He has said that Obama speaking at Notre Dame is a scandal./QUOTE]

Did anyone actually “watch” the prayer breakfast? It was shown on EWTN today. When Archbishop Burke made the above statement almost everyone at the breakfast gave him a standing ovation. Among the very few who sat on their hands were two Black attendees.
 
Burke & all the archbishops, bishops & priests that think like him are wonderful. I wish we could get somebody like him here.
 
Let us then, go to or write to our Bishops and our Pastors. Tell them what’s on our minds. Encourage them to speak up about certain things. We are in a relationship with God, let’s also be in a relationship with our sheperds. I sent a letter to a local pastor recently expressing my thoughts.

Remember, nobody comes over from the local Church when you miss Mass to scold you. Let’s exhibit Christ’s love and help our Church leaders by talking to or writing them.

They are people as well. They are affected by all this as well. Sometimes, they need encouragement as we all do.

Peace,
Ed
 
So I take from that you would not be opposed to ND inviting David Duke to speak at the commencement and be awarded an Honorary Doctorate in Ethics because you hope a miracle might happen?

Since God is all powerful, should ND invite Charles Manson to speak and be awarded a Doctorate in Law? a miracle can occur there as well.

Or should we simply follow the words of Christ " Do not put the Lord your God to the Test"?
No, you should talk with people, insist that your views are reasonable, and if indeed we interpret correctly the word of the Lord, the Holy Spirit will do His work in those people’s souls. By being quarrelsome and not engaging in dialogue with those people we shut down one of the three means of reverting the situation. The two others are, of course, prayer and example. Having a decent, coherent life that conveys the values of Catholicism is a powerful argument. It’s difficult but feasible. I had huge discussions on abortion with my agnostic/atheist friends and coworkers (there was a referendum in my country, Portugal, about the issue two years ago, which was lost, although with a low turnout). I learnt two things. First, my friends’ grasp of the philosophical questions involved was very weak, although they’re highly educated people. The second thing is that they understand most of our arguments and end up seeing your Catholic opinion as reasonable and well founded. Some of them might some day abstain in a new referendum or perhaps even vote against. Looking at your example and other Catholics’ examples may lead people to think “hey, these people are nice people and, although they defend tough things as banning legal abortion, they show comprehension, compassion, charity and do not judge the others.” For judging the others and ourselves, my friend, is God’s task, not ours. So I ask: how many of us try to live Catholic lives so that our examples may be seen as admirable by others? Too few, too little time. I am guilty of that, too.
 
That might be the case if it was a reasoned debate on the topic, but a commencement address is primarily a monologue.

In addition, ‘connecting’ does not involve bestowing honors upon them.

By your rationale, ND should be promoting dialogue on race relations by inviting David Duke to give the commencement address next year and giving him an Honorary Doctorate in Ethics.

Does that sound like a great way to convince Klansmen of the truth about racial equality?
Excellent point! I think this is a valid question.
 
This is important in that Fr. Jenkins claimed that he consulted Canon lawyers on the applicability of the USCCB’s document on bestowing such honors and said that it did not apply in ND’s case.

And now here we have the highest authority on Canon Law in the Church, (absent the Pope Himself) weighing in.
Fr. Jenkins ought to remember that any advise one gets from a lawyer is self-serving.
If telling you what you want to hear is profitable to him, that’s what you will hear, If telling you otherwise, ditto. Want to hear the truth? Don’t ask a lawyer.
 
Maybe the German Shepherd aka Benedict XVI will replace Fr Jenkins with one of the priests at EWTN like Fr Colrapi which is what ND needs , a priest with STRONG RC Doctrine and a winning personality to preach and practice it and win converts to the church
 
No, you should talk with people, insist that your views are reasonable, and if indeed we interpret correctly the word of the Lord, the Holy Spirit will do His work in those people’s souls. By being quarrelsome and not engaging in dialogue with those people we shut down one of the three means of reverting the situation. The two others are, of course, prayer and example. Having a decent, coherent life that conveys the values of Catholicism is a powerful argument. It’s difficult but feasible. I had huge discussions on abortion with my agnostic/atheist friends and coworkers (there was a referendum in my country, Portugal, about the issue two years ago, which was lost, although with a low turnout). I learnt two things. First, my friends’ grasp of the philosophical questions involved was very weak, although they’re highly educated people. The second thing is that they understand most of our arguments and end up seeing your Catholic opinion as reasonable and well founded. Some of them might some day abstain in a new referendum or perhaps even vote against. Looking at your example and other Catholics’ examples may lead people to think “hey, these people are nice people and, although they defend tough things as banning legal abortion, they show comprehension, compassion, charity and do not judge the others.” For judging the others and ourselves, my friend, is God’s task, not ours. So I ask: how many of us try to live Catholic lives so that our examples may be seen as admirable by others? Too few, too little time. I am guilty of that, too.
No dialogue is going to take place a Notre Dame. Obama is speaking from a postion of extreme power, not as a mere publicist. He is already running for re-election, and that is his primary purpose in being there. He would like to convey an impression of moderation, but he is, after all, coming from the most extreme postion possible in American politics. Any move toward the center would still leave him to the left of a pro-choice Republican such Guiliani.
 
Maybe the German Shepherd aka Benedict XVI will replace Fr Jenkins with one of the priests at EWTN like Fr Colrapi which is what ND needs , a priest with STRONG RC Doctrine and a winning personality to preach and practice it and win converts to the church
Fr. Corapi is one priest I wish we could clone.😛
 
Maybe the German Shepherd aka Benedict XVI will replace Fr Jenkins with one of the priests at EWTN like Fr Colrapi which is what ND needs , a priest with STRONG RC Doctrine and a winning personality to preach and practice it and win converts to the church
The Pope doesn’t make the appointments to ND. As I understand it, the Holy Cross order associated with the U. does that.
 
Let us then, go to or write to our Bishops and our Pastors. Tell them what’s on our minds. Encourage them to speak up about certain things. We are in a relationship with God, let’s also be in a relationship with our sheperds. I sent a letter to a local pastor recently expressing my thoughts.
Patrick Madrid just sent this link out on his Facebook account about the Bishops that speak and those that don’t. Good read.

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I’m posting this on this thread…did you all see it?

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Perhaps we should pray to the Lord to enlighten President Obama in seeing the crime procured abortion is, instead of being mad towards Notre Dame. I see the stay of President Obama at Notre Dame as an opportunity to connect with him and try to convince him of the terrible truth about abortion.
These are not mutually exclusive scenarios. We can still be righteously angry with Notre Dame and pray for their souls.

Since Notre Dame has gone out of its way to protect Obama from this controversy, what would be his motive to avail himself of anyone’s opinion other than his own?

A lot of people have mistaken this commencement address for a debate. As if people are going to be able to rebut his speech or stand up and challenge him or ask questions. A commencement speech is simply an opportunity for the presenter to pontificate on what HE believes. He’s not interested in what Catholics believe. In fact, he reviles our beliefs, and probably sees this as a great opportunity to cement the support of Catholics (54%!) who will jump at thirty pieces of silver because it’s all shiny, instead of promulgating Truth.

Catholics have every right to be angry with Notre Dame for abandoning its mission for the sake of its idolatry of the current President.
 
While I admire Archbishop (hopefully someday Cardinal) Burke deeply and wish we had more hierarchs like him, your title is misleading. The Vatican, ie, the Holy See, has NOT made a statement about Notre Dame. I hope they do, but they haven’t. Archbishop Burke is one person IN the Vatican.
The fact that AB Burke made this statement from the vatican is as good as the vatican making a statement because usually there are many issues from around the world, if there is no delegation then the pope will die;) from making comments
Paula
 
So I take from that you would not be opposed to ND inviting David Duke to speak at the commencement and be awarded an Honorary Doctorate in Ethics because you hope a miracle might happen?

Since God is all powerful, should ND invite Charles Manson to speak and be awarded a Doctorate in Law? a miracle can occur there as well.

Or should we simply follow the words of Christ " Do not put the Lord your God to the Test"?
Brilliant post. That sums it up perfectly.
 
Father Jenkins’ Bishop has said he has spoken to him but has been unable to change his mind. Fortunately, the Church does not publish gossip. Bishop D’Arcy will be joining others in appropriate protest. The Church has to mirror Christ’s love, not do it the world’s way. Father Corapi has already posted a video giving his views. The President will not score any points among Catholics by appearing at Notre Dame and getting some honor. This has been identified as a scandal – very clearly.

I pray that Catholics who are unaware that millions are dead from legal abortions will finally wake up and realize, millions of persons are dead. Everyone reading this began life as an embryo.

Peace,
Ed
Unfortunately I believe he will score a lot of points with “Catholics”.

As for Jenkins, he’s not looking at this from an ecclesial standpoint. He’s decided on idolatry, not faith, so in his mind, there’s probably no discussion to have.
 
No, you should talk with people, insist that your views are reasonable, and if indeed we interpret correctly the word of the Lord, the Holy Spirit will do His work in those people’s souls. By being quarrelsome and not engaging in dialogue with those people we shut down one of the three means of reverting the situation. The two others are, of course, prayer and example. Having a decent, coherent life that conveys the values of Catholicism is a powerful argument. It’s difficult but feasible. I had huge discussions on abortion with my agnostic/atheist friends and coworkers (there was a referendum in my country, Portugal, about the issue two years ago, which was lost, although with a low turnout). I learnt two things. First, my friends’ grasp of the philosophical questions involved was very weak, although they’re highly educated people. The second thing is that they understand most of our arguments and end up seeing your Catholic opinion as reasonable and well founded. Some of them might some day abstain in a new referendum or perhaps even vote against. Looking at your example and other Catholics’ examples may lead people to think “hey, these people are nice people and, although they defend tough things as banning legal abortion, they show comprehension, compassion, charity and do not judge the others.” For judging the others and ourselves, my friend, is God’s task, not ours. So I ask: how many of us try to live Catholic lives so that our examples may be seen as admirable by others? Too few, too little time. I am guilty of that, too.
On the other hand, many are going to look at President Obama getting an honorary degree and decide, “well, I guess this is proof that Catholic truths are negotiable”. That’s the scandal.

If only St. Peter had invited Nero to pen a letter to the churches, the Holy Spirit would have taken over and the persecutions would have stopped, right?
 
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