Tis_Bearself
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Fortunately, this forum is coming to an end soon, so we will no longer have to worry about much of the incivility and disrespect we see the clergy regularly receiving here.
The Vatican Nativity scene, revealed last night. Its creators say it’s meant to have a contemporary and unconventional look influenced by ancient Gree
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Genesis315
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What’s ironic, is stuff like this is “going back.” Pope Francis defines rigidity as being "intransigently faithful to a particular Catholic style from the past.” Unfortunately, Catholics–especially the clergy–who are still intransigently promoting and clinging to '70s schlock in the year 2020 seem to be most prominent form of “rigidity” in the Church today.
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Norseman82
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Yeah, the angel looks like the Starbucks logo slapped on top of a dalek. I’m wondering if this is more appropriate for Holy Innocents Day, as I’m half expecting the figures to start shouting “Exterminate!”.
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Norseman82
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FYI, I shared this on Facebook and gave you credit!
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1Lord1Faith
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I am surprised to learn that these nativity figures are ceramic and that they have survived earthquakes. They are probably more fragile than they appear. And since the town where they were made is know for it’s history in ceramics, the figures are probably also well made.
Interestingly, the astronaut figure is a nod to a great achievement of mankind’s during the time in which the figures were made. That of course being landing on the moon, or going into space.
The nativity scene also seems to be challenging many people’s tastes. It certainly has created a buzz, and has given those of us who are staying at home something to talk about.
Interestingly, the astronaut figure is a nod to a great achievement of mankind’s during the time in which the figures were made. That of course being landing on the moon, or going into space.
The nativity scene also seems to be challenging many people’s tastes. It certainly has created a buzz, and has given those of us who are staying at home something to talk about.
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Mark121359
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Looking at this Nativity gives me flashbacks of the Star Wars: A New Hope bar scene.
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pnewton
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Why is it appalling that others do not share your taste in art?
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Victoria33
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I’ve been seeing today in the news something about the Holy Pontiff snubbing one of the Nativities, I think the one that is the subject of this thread.
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F_Marturana
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I posted this in another thread.
I’ll post it here.
I’ll post it here.
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Feanor2
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There’s no disaster. It’s just a goofy nativity scene. Nothing to get worked up over.
I remember the moon landing. We were given the day off school and everyone huddled around the radio listening to it the commentary at the time. It was maybe a couple of days later that we saw photos in the newspapers. What younger people don’t realize that it was a time of awe. Astronauts were like incredible and brave heroes and the mysteries of space/stars/moon were mind blowing to the generation. That formed the explanation of why one of the wise men was an astronaut. Anachronism is rife in this modern entitled generation where there can be no context except ‘the now’ to appreciate.
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stpurl
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I remember the moon landing well myself and how we lauded the astronauts.
However, your ‘anachronism is” comment is just a tad out of place. An ‘astronaut wise man’ is itself an anachronism to the Nativity scene.
I think what you might have meant is that you believe that today’s generation is not perceptive enough to accept a Nativity done in the style popular a couple of generations ago. That isn’t anachronism though. And I don’t think you believe that today’s generation can ‘only’ accept a particular Nativity style rooted in its understanding, which would perhaps be a Mary who was Latinx, a Joseph who was Black, Asian and mixed race/gender fluid people dressed in contemporary clothing, etc.
So what could you mean? For the majority of time since the 13th century and St. Francis’ first Living Nativity, the basics were Mary and Joseph and the child, the wise men, the shepherds, animals, and the angels. . . The characters from Luke’s gospels and the early mystery plays in Europe. As time went on European and North American cultures developed cultural differences, to include the Spanish posadas in December, Protestant colonials not celebrating Christmas at ALL, etc.
In the 20th century there were ‘kitsch’ elements but for the Catholic Church in the major cities, the heartland, and Europe, the Nativity Scene remained classic for decades.
It seems so strange to me that pretty much from the 1960s on, as the Jesus seminar and the ‘experts’ in theology etc emphasized so so much ‘going back to the original worship and wanting everything to reflect ‘the first Christians’, at the same time Nativities in areas began to reflect instead an anachronistic ‘culture takeover’. Now are the times of the all Black nativities complete with various contemporary and cultural “African’ garb, ditto with Asian nativities; the “homeless’ nativities with Mary in jeans along with Joseph slouching along in a hoodie, the ‘commemorative’ Nativities which embrace some cultural icon like a “Simpsons’ nativity, a ‘Star Wars’ nativity, a ‘Tech’ nativity, dog and cat nativities, you name it.
But a nativity that would be recognizable to the majority of people before 1960? That is one rara avis here.
However, your ‘anachronism is” comment is just a tad out of place. An ‘astronaut wise man’ is itself an anachronism to the Nativity scene.
I think what you might have meant is that you believe that today’s generation is not perceptive enough to accept a Nativity done in the style popular a couple of generations ago. That isn’t anachronism though. And I don’t think you believe that today’s generation can ‘only’ accept a particular Nativity style rooted in its understanding, which would perhaps be a Mary who was Latinx, a Joseph who was Black, Asian and mixed race/gender fluid people dressed in contemporary clothing, etc.
So what could you mean? For the majority of time since the 13th century and St. Francis’ first Living Nativity, the basics were Mary and Joseph and the child, the wise men, the shepherds, animals, and the angels. . . The characters from Luke’s gospels and the early mystery plays in Europe. As time went on European and North American cultures developed cultural differences, to include the Spanish posadas in December, Protestant colonials not celebrating Christmas at ALL, etc.
In the 20th century there were ‘kitsch’ elements but for the Catholic Church in the major cities, the heartland, and Europe, the Nativity Scene remained classic for decades.
It seems so strange to me that pretty much from the 1960s on, as the Jesus seminar and the ‘experts’ in theology etc emphasized so so much ‘going back to the original worship and wanting everything to reflect ‘the first Christians’, at the same time Nativities in areas began to reflect instead an anachronistic ‘culture takeover’. Now are the times of the all Black nativities complete with various contemporary and cultural “African’ garb, ditto with Asian nativities; the “homeless’ nativities with Mary in jeans along with Joseph slouching along in a hoodie, the ‘commemorative’ Nativities which embrace some cultural icon like a “Simpsons’ nativity, a ‘Star Wars’ nativity, a ‘Tech’ nativity, dog and cat nativities, you name it.
But a nativity that would be recognizable to the majority of people before 1960? That is one rara avis here.
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