The Vatican takes on climate change: it's cheaper to fix now

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Folks. A friend of mine posted this and then asked how will the Republicans respond to this. I’m wanting to respond as a Catholic. Considering he will probably further debate me to prove that he read the article right. Which is the right way because I want to tell him what the Church really believes. I have in my mind that if God wants to make the climate change he will but I’m trying to sound more faithful as well as intelligent.

arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/05/anthropocene-vatican-climate-change-group-coins-name-for-our-era.ars
 
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The report was not authored by the Pontifical Academy itself; rather, the Vatican convened a group of scientists with relevant experience, along with a few Nobel Prize winners. The group’s focus was on increasing evidence of glacier retreat, and the report ended up focused on its causes. The group’s co-chair, Nobel Laureate Paul Crutzen, used a somewhat controversial name for the “man-made” geologic era in which we are now living: the "Anthropocene."
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arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/05/anthropocene-vatican-climate-change-group-coins-name-for-our-era.ars

I am still trying to D/L the PDF to see what evidence these scientists are using to make these decisioned statements.

NO ONE has proved CO2 causes global warming. This is why I doubted that This was a Vatican Stand.

In other words, it is these Scientists who have made these statements.

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What reason would scientists have to lie about global warming?
 
kimmielittle said:
This is why I doubted that This was a Vatican Stand.
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The recent statement is not a position of “the Vatican.” This kind of sloppy reporting is all too common. The recently released statement is from a working group commissioned by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.

So what is the Pontifical Academy of Sciences?
The Pontifical Academy of Sciences is an independent entity within the Holy See. Although its rebirth was the result of papal initiative, and though it is placed under the direct protection of the reigning Supreme Pontiff, the Academy defines its own goals with regard to its statuted aim:
“…to promote the progress of the mathematical, physical and natural sciences and the study of epistemological problems relating thereto” (Statutes 1:2).
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Pius XII underlined the Academy’s freedom of inquiry in an address of 1940 to the Academicians:
“To you noble champions of human arts and disciplines the Church acknowledges complete freedom in method and research…”.
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Since the deliberations and studies which it undertakes are not influenced by any one national, political or religious point of view, the Academy constitutes an invaluable source of objective information upon which the Holy See and its various bodies can draw.
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vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/own/documents/pashistory.html

The Pontifical Academy of Sciences is composed of scientists who provide advice to the Holy See. They do not set Church positions.
 
Dale_M said:
The recent statement is not a position of “the Vatican.” This kind of sloppy reporting is all too common. The recently released statement is from a working group commissioned by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.

So what is the Pontifical Academy of Sciences?

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/own/documents/pashistory.html

The Pontifical Academy of Sciences is composed of scientists who provide advice to the Holy See. They do not set Church positions.
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Yeppers!!!
 
agnes_therese said:
Well, of all the nerve! Scientists speaking out about science! What is the world coming to?
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Hmmmm…if you read the OP. It’s asking if this is an official Vatican stand.

Ya’ know there are some truths that aren’t bound by political affiliations. 🙂
 
It’s not much of a scientific report. It refers to evidence of melting Glaciers but nothing else. All the talk of Anthropogenic causes, on which it’s conclusions are premissed, are supposition , for which it presents no evidence. This is no more than another political advocacy piece by the same suspects responsible for the UN IPCC’s reports, from which much of the language is lifted.

Since the UN IPCC was largely discredited through last year, for mounting evidence of shoddy practises & blatant political advocacy, its proponents
are desperate to find new avenues to give credibility to the ailing notion of human causes for climate change.

There is nothing new here, but for the impression of Pontifical authoritity that it’s attempting to create.

It’s not that those believing in Anthropogenic causes aren’t sincere in their views, but the methods by which those unproven impressions have been attempted to be foisted on mankind are not acceptable in a free society . Fortunately most of the world has now woken up to what was going on & is unlikely to be swayed by the same old message being peddled in other guises.
 
Jose_A_Veragio said:
It’s not much of a scientific report. It refers to evidence of melting Glaciers but nothing else. All the talk of Anthropogenic causes, on which it’s conclusions are premissed, are supposition , for which it presents no evidence. This is no more than another political advocacy piece by the same suspects responsible for the UN IPCC’s reports, from which much of the language is lifted.

Since the UN IPCC was largely discredited through last year, for mounting evidence of shoddy practises & blatant political advocacy, its proponents
are desperate to find new avenues to give credibility to the ailing notion of human causes for climate change.

There is nothing new here, but for the impression of Pontifical authoritity that it’s attempting to create.

It’s not that those believing in Anthropogenic causes aren’t sincere in their views, but the methods by which those unproven impressions have been attempted to be foisted on mankind are not acceptable in a free society . Fortunately most of the world has now woken up to what was going on & is unlikely to be swayed by the same old message being peddled in other guises.
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kimmielittle said:
NO ONE has proved CO2 causes global warming. This is why I doubted that This was a Vatican Stand…
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The question is not so much whether CO2 causes a greenhouse effect; it is a greenhouse gas. But if you compare the CO2 emissions from natural sources to that which is caused by anthropogenic sources, then you have a real question. (After all, the level of CO2 in the past was far, far higher than it is today. There weren’t even humans on the planet then)

And whether you compare the greenhouse effect caused by CO2, methane, and, primarily, water vapor (yes, water vapor) to other effects as far as climate change is concerned, that is another great question.

Of course, if the environmentalists got rid of people, they could avoid about 4,818,000,000,000 (yes, that’s 4 TRILLION) pounds of carbon emissions per year (each human is responsible for 1kg per day just from exhalation). Maybe that’s their real objective.

By the way, the Pontifical Academy of Sciences has no magesterial authority. None. Zero. From their constitution:

The aim of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences is to promote the progress of the mathematical, physical and natural sciences and the study of epistemological problems related thereto.

That is not to say that they should be utterly disregarded. Their output should be considered the same as any other scientific body; but as far as teaching authority to which we are to assent, there is no obligation here.
 
kimmielittle said:
Hmmm that Climate changes?

Like it always has.
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I’ve heard that ‘climate changes’ are possibly a result of the greenhouse effect. But, we don’t need to discuss it if you feel the need to be condescending.

I saw something fairly recently that was talking about significant climate changes being possible in Europe from the ice caps melting.

It appears some make this an argument for some reason. Why? If there is a possibility of a problem, it’s not like it’s going to happen ‘snap’ like that, it’s going to happen over long periods of time or so it would seem. We should be working together to determine if there is a problem or not and then what steps can be taken to help resolve any problem.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I’ve heard that ‘climate changes’ are possibly a result of the greenhouse effect. But, we don’t need to discuss it if you feel the need to be condescending.

I saw something fairly recently that was talking about significant climate changes being possible in Europe from the ice caps melting.

It appears some make this an argument for some reason. Why? If there is a possibility of a problem, it’s not like it’s going to happen ‘snap’ like that, it’s going to happen over long periods of time or so it would seem. We should be working together to determine if there is a problem or not and then what steps can be taken to help resolve any problem.
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Please go to this link (ignore the obvious partisanship):

washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/jan/10/inconvenient-truth-ice-cap-growing/
 
This is not a statement from the Pope nor does it have any standing when it comes to the teaching of the Catholic Church. This does not even represent the opinion of this organization of laymen, but is only from a small working group. This is not to say that their report is untrue-or on the other hand that it is worthwhile. This is simply to say that is misleading to say it is from the Vatican. It is only from a working group of laypeople.
 
mdgspencer said:
This is not a statement from the Pope nor does it have any standing when it comes to the teaching of the Catholic Church. This does not even represent the opinion of this organization of laymen, but is only from a small working group. This is not to say that their report is untrue-or on the other hand that it is worthwhile. This is simply to say that is misleading to say it is from the Vatican. It is only from a working group of laypeople.
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But that is also no reason to dismiss it out of hand, even if one disagrees with it.
 
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