The Virgin Mary

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BrJimC:
Im curious… how do you know Mary is in Heaven with God? This isnt in scripture.
Well, the woman who appears in the sky in Revelation may be Mary–especially since she is seen with the ark (pretend the chapter breaks which are not present in the original aren’t there) and she is the ark of the new covenant. Plus she is standing on the moon clothed in the sun, and pregnant, just like Our Lady of Guadalupe.

This also makes sense because just as David brought the ark into His kingdom of Jerusalem, so does Jesus bring the ark of the new covenant into His Kingdom.

We also know primarily through Tradition. Just because something is not in Scripture, doesn’t mean it’s false. There are many historical facts not found in the Bible. The Assumption has been passed down. There is a tomb, but it is empty. Likewise, no one has ever claimed a relic of Mary, not even a fake.

Finally, all the apparitions are also proof, in my opinion. Just like a couple other guys who were assumed, Moses and Elijah, appeared to the Apostles at the Transfiguration, so has Mary appeared over the years to various people.
 
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Genesis315:
We also know primarily through Tradition. Just because something is not in Scripture, doesn’t mean it’s false. There are many historical facts not found in the Bible. The Assumption has been passed down. There is a tomb, but it is empty. Likewise, no one has ever claimed a relic of Mary, not even a fake.

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I understand… that was good information… Revelation is a very interesting book that I’ve read many times… A person has to perform a lot of exogesis in his thought process to catch a glimps of it.

Thx.
 
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BrJimC:
I understand… that was good information… Revelation is a very interesting book that I’ve read many times… A person has to perform a lot of exogesis in his thought process to catch a glimps of it.

Thx.
Oh definitely. I personally think the woman is Mary, but there are other interpretations that could just as easily be valid too. Catholics can interpret it anyway they so choose, as long as their interpretation does not contradict Catholic doctrine.

Another little insight into Mary’s Assumption is that in the Jewish tradition, the queen is the mother of the king and she sits with the king. A great example of this is Solomon and Bathsheba. Now, since Jesus is a king in the Davidic line, it makes sense that the Queen Mother would be at His side.
 
James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
I personally can’t think of anyone more righteous than the Blessed Virgin Mary, the first Christian, the Mother of God. 😉

And also, we, as Christians believe that once we reach Heaven we receive “glorified” bodies (uncorruptable bodies as they were meant to be before Adam’s fall). We also believe that Heaven is outside of time and space and therefore they would have no problem “hearing” our prayers and would have no problem praying with us as long as it was a part of God’s will.
 
Mary always leads us back to her Son. Through her intercession of her prayers, through bringing our prayers to her Son.

Like any Mother, she nurtures us through the example of her perfect Faith.
 
Im not sure if this is the right place to ask my question but here it goes…

The Pope. From what I know is that he is of high respective,prestigous status thus he cannot mary,and have a family… In your faith why is it that GOD is not of that high status (to not have kids or a family) when a human (in your faith) has a higher status in this aspect?

(Please excuse me if I am blunt or offensive in any way…)

Thank you …
 
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Yasmine:
Im not sure if this is the right place to ask my question but here it goes…

The Pope. From what I know is that he is of high respective,prestigous status thus he cannot mary,and have a family… In your faith why is it that GOD is not of that high status (to not have kids or a family) when a human (in your faith) has a higher status in this aspect?

(Please excuse me if I am blunt or offensive in any way…)

Thank you …
Where did you get the idea that the pope receives a higher place than God? Popes in the past have been married, but it has become a Church discipline for clergy to live in the example of Christ and remain celibate.

God also doesn’t marry. Where did you get that from?
 
ok

let me reword my question…Why is the Pope not aloud to marry,and have a family?
 
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Genesis315:
Popes in the past have been married, but it has become a Church discipline for clergy to live in the example of Christ and remain celibate.
Where does it say iin the bible to do that?..To not let the pope get married for the sake of being like Jesus…
 
Also something to read would be 1 Cor 7.

Lessons relating to marriage and celibacy. Virginity is preferable to a married state.

1 Now concerning the thing whereof you wrote to me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 But for fear of fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render the debt to his wife, and the wife also in like manner to the husband. 4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband. And in like manner the husband also hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 5 Defraud not one another, except, perhaps, by consent, for a time, that you may give yourselves to prayer; and return together again, lest Satan tempt you for your incontinency.

2 “Have his own wife”… That is, keep to his wife, which he hath. His meaning is not to exhort the unmarried to marry: on the contrary, he would have them rather continue as they are. (Ver. 7: 8.) But he speaks here to them that are already married; who must not depart from one another, but live together as they ought to do in the marriage state.

6 But I speak this by indulgence, not by commandment. 7 For I would that all men were even as myself: but every one hath his proper gift from God; one after this manner, and another after that. 8 But I say to the unmarried, and to the widows: It is good for them if they so continue, even as I. 9 But if they do not contain themselves, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to be burnt. 10 But to them that are married, not I but the Lord commandeth, that the wife depart not from her husband.

6 “By indulgence”… That is, by a condescension to your weakness.

9 “If they do not contain”… This is spoken of such as are free, and not of such as, by vow, have given their first faith to God; to whom if they will use proper means to obtain it, God will never refuse the gift of continency. Some translators have corrupted this text, by rendering it, if they cannot contain.

11 And if she depart, that she remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And let not the husband put away his wife. 12 For to the rest I speak, not the Lord. If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she consent to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And if any woman hath a husband that believeth not, and he consent to dwell with her, let her not put away her husband. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the believing wife; and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the believing husband: otherwise your children should be unclean; but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever depart, let him depart. For a brother or sister is not under servitude in such cases. But God hath called us in peace.

12 “I speak, not the Lord”… Viz., by any express commandment, or ordinance.

14 “Is sanctified”… The meaning is not, that the faith of the husband or the wife is of itself sufficient to put the unbelieving party, or their children, in the state of grace and salvation; but that it is very often an occasion of their sanctification, by bringing them to the true faith.

16 For how knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? Or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? 17 But as the Lord hath distributed to every one, as God hath called every one, so let him walk: and so in all churches I teach. 18 Is any man called, being circumcised? let him not procure uncircumcision. Is any man called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing: but the observance of the commandments of God. 20 Let every man abide in the same calling in which he was called.
 
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21 Wast thou called, being a bondman? care not for it; but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. 22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a bondman, is the freeman of the Lord. Likewise he that is called, being free, is the bondman of Christ. 23 You are bought with a price; be not made the bondslaves of men. 24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he was called, therein abide with God. 25 Now concerning virgins, I have no commandment of the Lord; but I give counsel, as having obtained mercy of the Lord, to be faithful.

26 I think therefore that this is good for the present necessity, that it is good for a man so to be. 27 Art thou bound to a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. 28 But if thou take a wife, thou hast not sinned. And if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned: nevertheless, such shall have tribulation of the flesh. But I spare you. 29 This therefore I say, brethren; the time is short; it remaineth, that they also who have wives, be as if they had none; 30 And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as if they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;

31 And they that use this world, as if they used it not: for the fashion of this world passeth away. 32 But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God. 33 But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided. 34 And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 35 And this I speak for your profit: not to cast a snare upon you; but for that which is decent, and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord, without impediment. 36 But if any man think that he seemeth dishonoured, with regard to his virgin, for that she is above the age, and it must so be: let him do what he will; he sinneth not, if she marry. 37 For he that hath determined being steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but having power of his own will; and hath judged this in his heart, to keep his virgin, doth well. 38 Therefore, both he that giveth his virgin in marriage, doth well; and he that giveth her not, doth better. 39 A woman is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband die, she is at liberty: let her marry to whom she will; only in the Lord. 40 But more blessed shall she be, if she so remain, according to my counsel; and I think that I also have the spirit of God. 36 “Let him do what he will. He sinneth not”… The meaning is not, as libertines would have it, that persons may do what they will and not sin, provided they afterwards marry; but that the father, with regard to the giving his virgin in marriage, may do as he pleaseth; and that it will be no sin to him if she marry.
 
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