Here’s your proof ! :tiphat:
He probably meant"kairos" the opportune or best time for something to occur. It’s a word you’ll see a lot in the NT
Your good.Here’s your proof ! :tiphat:
The First Sorrow of Mary: “Behold, this child is destined for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be contradicted. AND A SWORD SHALL PIERCE YOUR HEART so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”
{Luke 3:34-35}
The Second Sorrow of Mary: “Rise, take the child, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I tell you. HEROD IS GOING TO SEARCH FOR THE CHILD TO DSETROY HIM.” Joseph rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed for Egypt.
{Matthew 3:13-14}
The Third Sorrow of Mary: After they had completed its days, as they were returning, the boy Jesus remained behind in Jerusalem, but his parents did not know it. Thinking he was in the caravan, THEY JOURNEYED FOR A DAY AND LOOKED FOR HIM among their relatives and acquaintances, BUT NOT FINDING HIM THEY RETURNED TO JERUSALEM TO LOOK FOR HIM. After three days they found him in the temple…When his parents saw him, they were astonished, and his mother said to him," YOUR FATHER AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR YOU WITH GREAT ANXIETY." {Luke 3:43-48}
The Fourth Sorrow of Mary: And after LAYING THE CROSS ON HIM they made him (Simon, a Cyrenian) carry it behind Jesus. A large crowd followed Jesus, including many women who lamented and mourned for him. Standing by the cross were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdala.
{Luke 23:26-27; John 19:25}
The Fifth Sorrow of Mary: So they took Jesus, and carrying the cross himself he went out to what is called the Place of the Skull, in Hebrew, Golgotha. THERE THEY CRUCIFIED HIM. When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold your son.” Then he said to the disciple, “Son, behold your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.
{John 19:17-18, 26-27}
The Sixth Sorrow of Mary: JESUS GAVE A LOUD CRY AND BREATHED HIS LAST.
{Mark 16:37}
The Seventh Sorrow of Mary: Having brought a linen cloth, he took him down, wrapped him in the linen cloth and LAID HIM IN A TOMB that had been hewn out of the rock.
{Mark 15:46}
While they were there, the time came for her to have her child, and she gave birth to her first born (consecrated to God) son. She wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. {Luke 2:6-7}
From the moment our Lord was born, he and his mother suffered together. Perhaps the first labor pain of Mary was that “there was no room for them in the inn.”
Did somebody say Mary experienced labour pains? Is it in the Bible, or is she just speculating?
Pax vobiscum
Good Fella
I think the old and new wine is a bad analogy. Though, I think with God all things are possible. He could intervene and preserve Mary from committing any sin, and kept her ever virgin.
The Catholic Church is silent whether or not Mary gave birth pains. You would think that someone who is sinless with be except from pains. That is hardly the case. Jesus, who is sinless suffer many pains from his sourging and death at the cross, and he paid the ultimate price. He died for our sins, only to rise again from the dead.
We identify her as Mary because she gave birth to a male child who will rule all nations with an iron rod. We can individually identify the child as Jesus. We know this to be so because in the later verses, the child was taken up into heaven and to his throne. The identity of the child, can easily identify the woman as Mary.
I am answering your questions. You just fail to see the answers because you are confused. You don’t know what you’re saying to begin with. I’m pointing out what false conclusions you lead yourselves to in your preconceptions and how you contradict yourselves. If someone is trying to evade the charge of Nestorianism or a semblance of this heresy, he’ll end up shooting in the opposite direction which is Monophosytism.
He didn’t cohabit anyone? Are you sure? In my reply #900 you said, and I quoted you: “And I never said he was two ‘persons’. More accurately cohabiting one Person.” Please go back and see for yourself. The original discussion was about persons and natures and it still is. Please, don’t be so belligerent.Who might this be?
It’s not “contrary” at all.
“If you knew your Bible, you would see this.”
You tell me GF, who did the person Jesus “cohabit?”
No Catholic dogma ever stated that Mary did not bring forth in pains. As I have said before, the WOMAN in Revelation 12:1 is Mary because the Male Child is Jesus Christ.
According to you it doesn’t. Many of the priest have often cite the verse in Rev 12:1 as Mary especially on the days when her Feast Days are celebrated.
You shouldn’t speak about things you don’t know. The Catholic Church does not teach dogmatically that Mary did not have pain in childbirth. Some say she did - some say she didn’t. The Church allows both positions.
The Woman in Revelation 12 is part of the fusion imagery/polyvalent symbolism that is found in the book. She has four referents: Israel, the Church, Eve, and Mary.
I’m saying it is not “dogma” as you claimed. There are some who teach it and some who don’t. The Church allows both views. I thought I made that clear in my last post.
Ginger already rejected Jimmy Akin’s article.