The Wealth-Cap Economic System

[blackforest]

You know, I’m not blind. Don’t shift the conversation quickly like I won’t notice.

I was addressing @Augustinian. I have to shift . . . between two people. Please be patient. I can’t engage you 100% when I have multiple conversations going.

 

[Pup7]

They ARE going overseas. Despite the tax breaks.

They’re coming back, my friend. This will not happen overnight.

They’re the major choices. GM and Toyota are major employers. That’s just the way it is. I buy local and small when I can. but the fact is the bigger employers are what is going to make the biggest impact.

Until I can buy my car handmade from the guy down the block, I’ll be shopping at the dealer. We’re talking about corporations here.

Yep. I can tell. “Raving conservatives” have this week contradictions by which they the get really screamy about government intervention but demand socialized corporations. Well, not all conservatives, fortunately . . .

More deflection. I’m not surprised.

LOL I work for the federal government. When have I screamed about government intervention? I’m all for tax breaks and corporate incentives - which require government intervention. That makes no sense.

 

[Pup7]

I was addressing @Augustinian. I have to shift . . . between two people. Please be patient. I can’t engage you 100% when I have multiple conversations going.

No quote and no link to another convo, so that was pretty hard to determine.

 

[blackforest]

There was supposed to be one. Mea maxima culpa.

 

[blackforest]

They’re coming back, my friend. This will not happen overnight.

Due to higher labor costs in China. Once they find a cheaper market elsewhere, with lower labor standards, they’ll go there.

LOL I work for the federal government. When have I screamed about government intervention? I’m all for tax breaks and corporate incentives - which require government intervention. That makes no sense.

Lowering government intervention is a huge tenet of conservativism. Corporate welfare is socialized markets. Moore’s article addresses this well.

 

[Pup7]

Lowering government intervention is a huge tenet of conservativism. Corporate welfare is socialized markets. Moore’s article addresses this well.

Yes I know that. I grew up during the Reagan years. And not all conservatives adhere to it with the same zeal.

I know pro-life liberals, so I tend to not tar all with the same brush or make assumptions about people in that way.

 

[blackforest]

1. I said “not all conservatives.”
2. A TENET is official, not a broad-brush assumption. It’s in the Republican Party platform to minimize government intervention.

 

[Pup7]

1. I said “not all conservatives.”
2. A TENET is official. It’s in the Republican Party platform to minimize government intervention.

1. Not sure what you’re addressing with that statement because I never contradicted that.
2. Please show me a written law that says “all conservatives must believe that government must stay out of everything”
3. Never said I was a registered Republican - and I’m actually not. You’ve pointed out yourself that not everything applies to all conservatives, so that argument holds no water at all.

I’m done here, because I see a circular discussion that is going to have very, very little to do with the topic at hand.

 

[blackforest]

I’m done here, because I see a circular discussion that is going to have very, very little to do with the topic at hand.

Same. I’ll mute.

 

[Ridgerunner]

when it is spent vs how it is spent. That graph does not show it, but general shoppers tend to buy similar “carts”

despite pay days, whereas SNAP and those who cash their checks and buy groceries tend to junk out at first then survive on rice and beans later in the month.

I knew a priest who is now deceased, but who worked for many years on an Indian reservation. The government checks would come out on a certain day each month. The residents would go to the store and buy everything imaginable; steaks, bacon, pork chops, potatoes, carrots, canned vegetables, beans, you name it, and put all of it in a big pot and cook it together. Then they would alternately sleep and eat for days until it ran out. Then they would nearly starve the rest of the month. They bought liquor too, of course, which was a terrible problem among them.

Now what was that? The priest had come to the belief over time that it represented a cultural thing. In olden times, it was always feast or famine. The Indians would kill something, but had no means of preserving it. So they would gorge themselves until it was gone. Then there would be famine until they killed something else.

There are undoubtedly cultural things we all live with that heavily influence what we do when it comes to the goods of the earth. In my state, for example, one notices that the very best land is largely owned by Germans. But the population in the countryside is mostly Scots-Irish. Why is that? Without going into a long-winded discussion, I believe it’s cultural. And the Germans are far wealthier taken as a group.

But the wealth cap idea, it seems to me, is an artificial thing. It is based on the assumption that wealth is a zero sum game; that there’s only so much of it and distribution is the main thing to consider. But I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think one man’s wealth causes another man’s poverty necessarily.

But there is definitely one “wealth cap” presently in existence, and that’s death. Nobody is so wealthy that he lives forever, and when he dies, his wealth is distributed to others; usually several others. His fortune never stays intact.

 

[KMC]

I’ve read your posts and agree with a number of your points…however, your comment about going after the “unethically wealthy” sparked a question. While I agree with you in principle, do you think the majority of wealthy are unethical? If the thread is about a wealth cap, we should understand that the largest number of wealthy (or at least the group that makes up the majority of the top 1% are doctors, not people in the financial world. Not sure we want to target doctors.

 

[Theo520]

I would strongly suggest that you watch Food Stamped , in which a middle class couple attempts to live on nutritious foods using a SNAP budget. They end up digging out of bakery dumpsters . . .http://www.foodstamped.com/

SNAP is supplemental, go to a food bank if you need more.
Your earlier link did show pop was number 2, and meat was by far the most purchased item. Much cheaper ways to get your protein than expensive steaks or other fresh meat products. Don’t you find it odd how much they spend on meat???