The Wedding of Jesus

[planten]

Trust me Ben I would rather starve to death. Everytime I read your Post It reminds me of what Jesus said to the Jews. Let me quote it for you:

Quote seems to be without any reference.

Quote If God were your Father you would love me simce I have my origin in God and have come from him. I did not come on my own accord but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say. Because you are from your father, the devil and you prefer to do what your father wants. He was a murderer from the start he was never grounded in the truth; there is no truth in him at all. When he lied he is speaking true to his nature because he is a liar and the father of lies. But it is because I speak the truth that you do no believe me. Can any of you convict me of sin? If I speak the truth why do you not believe me? WHO EVER COMES FROM GOD LISTENS TO THE WORDS OF GOD. THE REASON WHY YOU DO NOT LISTEN IS THAT YOU ARE NOT FROM GOD. unquote.

**rinnie, You want good things for yourself only. All the rest are all foolish sinners. When you say in your quote “I came from father”, it means “he (Jesus) came from God”. Do you believe the others, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph son of Jacob and Moses did not come from God?

Please be reasonable and relaxed. Make a good judgement. We believe that Jesus came from God. WE know it and we believe it. But what do you believe? Please tell us**.

If you really did believe in Abraham and the God of Abraham then you would accept the truth. Jesus summed it up for you.

**Please be sure that all Muslims believe in the god of Abraham. I feel that Ben must also be doing the same. There is no need to think that Ben will not be a believer in the God of Abraham. But I will leave it to Ben to reply to that problem more clearly.

We Muslims believe in the God of Abraham and Ishmael and Issac and Jacob and all the Israeli prophets, including the last Israeli prophet Jesus. Welcome.**

 

[Ben_Masada]

Trust me Ben I would rather starve to death. Everytime I read your Post It reminds me of what Jesus said to the Jews. Let me quote it for you:

Quote If God were your Father you would love me simce I have my origin in God and have come from him. I did not come on my own accord but he sent me. Why do you not understand what I say. Because you are from your father, the devil and you prefer to do what your father wants. He was a murderer from the start he was never grounded in the truth; there is no truth in him at all. When he lied he is speaking true to his nature because he is a liar and the father of lies. But it is because I speak the truth that you do no believe me. Can any of you convict me of sin? If I speak the truth why do you not believe me? WHO EVER COMES FROM GOD LISTENS TO THE WORDS OF GOD. THE REASON WHY YOU DO NOT LISTEN IS THAT YOU ARE NOT FROM GOD. unquote.

If you really did believe in Abraham and the God of Abraham then you would accept the truth. Jesus summed it up for you.

You said, “Let me quote it for you,” and you didn’t. What happened? Never mind! I’ll quote it for you: That’s in John 8:44.

Your eyes are so patched up with the bandages of faith that you have become unable to see the tremendous contradiction of this chapter.

How could Jesus call the Jews who had believed in him children of the Devil? Oh yes, read verse 31. That’s where the dialogue started. The dialogue between Jesus and the Jews who had believed in him. So, the Jews who had believed in him were the children of the Devil! Believe me: It’s enough to rest one’s case about you all.

Ben:

 

[rinnie]

Quote seems to be without any reference.

**rinnie, You want good things for yourself only. All the rest are all foolish sinners. When you say in your quote “I came from father”, it means “he (Jesus) came from God”. Do you believe the others, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph son of Jacob and Moses did not come from God?

Please be reasonable and relaxed. Make a good judgement. We believe that Jesus came from God. WE know it and we believe it. But what do you believe? Please tell us**.

**Please be sure that all Muslims believe in the god of Abraham. I feel that Ben must also be doing the same. There is no need to think that Ben will not be a believer in the God of Abraham. But I will leave it to Ben to reply to that problem more clearly.

We Muslims believe in the God of Abraham and Ishmael and Issac and Jacob and all the Israeli prophets, including the last Israeli prophet Jesus. Welcome.**

How can you judge me and tell me what I want. Can you read my heart, do you know what’s in my heart. No you do not. Only my Father know’s what I pray for and want for others

I never said that all Muslim’ believed in the God of Abraham. Please read what I said. I said if you believed in the God of Abraham. I said the God of Abraham and my God is the Same.

Where did I say I only came from the Father, What in the world are you talking about. Those were the words quoted from Jesus Christ thankyou. That is Jesus talking. Could you please explain to me how you can make a judgement on me, when I am repeating The words of Christ?

 

[Ben_Masada]

Again Ben Quote: Liars are those who claim that Jesus was what he never claimed to be. unquote.

Now how much more simple could my question be? Those are your words Ben.

Now again for the fifth or sixth time. WHO DO YOU SAY THAT JESUS CLAIMED TO BE?

I cannot see how that is such a hard question for you.

Jesus claimed to be a chanpion of God’s Law, as he declared that he came to confirm it and not to abolish it. And to make sure we all did the same. (Mat. 5:17-19)

Ben:

 

[rinnie]

You said, “Let me quote it for you,” and you didn’t. What happened? Never mind! I’ll quote it for you: That’s in John 8:44.

Your eyes are so patched up with the bandages of faith that you have become unable to see the tremendous contradiction of this chapter.

How could Jesus call the Jews who had believed in him children of the Devil? Oh yes, read verse 31. That’s where the dialogue started. The dialogue between Jesus and the Jews who had believed in him. So, the Jews who had believed in him were the children of the Devil! Believe me: It’s enough to rest one’s case about you all.

Ben:

Let me explain that scripture to you Ben, If you were Abrahams children you would. unlike Issac, The jews are not children of Abraham because they do not believe. They are merely of his race. Never the less they are not the children of God because they do not believe in Jesus.

Gonna answer my other question Ben. or claiming you still do not understand it?

 

[rinnie]

Jesus claimed to be a chanpion of God’s Law, as he declared that he came to confirm it and not to abolish it. And to make sure we all did the same. (Mat. 5:17-19)

Ben:

Easier Question Ben. I did not ask what he claimed to be I asked WHO is Claimed To BE?

 

[ronyodish]

Thank you for your reply to my queries. I am only interested in the Gospel of Matthew written in Syriac/Aramaic which St.Thomas took along while going to India. I also wonder why St. Thomas followers in Kerala could not keep, the original with them or at least copies of it with them.

paarsurrey,

The original Gospel of Matthew in Syriac/Aramaic is lost or was destroyed, probably due to non-Christians persecuting Christians, or normal decay of old manuscripts, or some other reason.

If you’re looking for equivalent copies, there are these versions which are probably very close to the original:

Peshitta

The Old Syriac Gospels (Sinaiticus, Curetonian)

God bless,

Rony

 

[rinnie]

Ben. Ben, You did tell the truth. You did it! I am so proud of you. You TOLD THE TRUTH. AND IT Was about ME too!:extrahappy:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;4843846:

Read my signature - ok.

Why do i have that?
Because i follow the Pope.

So where am i going with that?

The Pope told the crusaders not to kill any Jew.
Those who did so betrayed the Pope.
And the loss was incurred by the Judas’ of the Church - and NOT thru the Pope.

Several Crusades were worganized by Popes, including the first one by Peter, the Hermit, a Catholic Monk. There was another organized by Saint Luis, who was even canonized by the Church. Any Jewish death as a result of these Crusades, the Church was directly responsible for. I am sorry, but
the Truth cannot be hidden on behalf of the Church.

Ben:

 

[rinnie]

I am clouded with the Faith of Jesus Christ. Oh Dear Lord Jesus Christ Possess me. Take over my soul from this moment till the day I can meet you face to face.

FAITH OF OUR FATHER’S HOLY FAITH, WE WILL BE TRUE TILL THEE TILL DEATH!

Thank- you thank- you

 

[planten]

WarriorAngel;4843894:

Several Crusades were worganized by Popes, including the first one by Peter, the Hermit, a Catholic Monk. There was another organized by Saint Luis, who was even canonized by the Church. Any Jewish death as a result of these Crusades, the Church was directly responsible for. I am sorry, but
the Truth cannot be hidden on behalf of the Church.

Ben:

The Truth is that the Ignorant Christian Crusaders Killed many Jews, killed Muslims and killed many Christians too, not knowing that they were Christians.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Easier Question Ben. I did not ask what he claimed to be I asked WHO is Claimed To BE?

Sorry to disappoint you Rinnie, but Jesus did not
claim to be any of the things you have in mind. Others claimed for him; and mind you, 50+ years after he had been gone.

Now, imagine someone telling you after 50 or 60 years that someone you slightly knew was this or that. You have to be somehow brainwashed to change your mind and start believing something else.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben Masada;4844164:

The Truth is that the Ignorant Christian Crusaders Killed many Jews, killed Muslims and killed many Christians too, not knowing that they were Christians.

That’s true Planten, I am aware of that fact. I am sorry if I failed to mention it. But anyways, I had no need to mention the Muslims because they were the main target of Christianity. That’s why the Crusades were organized in the first place.

Ben:

 

[rinnie]

WarriorAngel;4843894:

Several Crusades were worganized by Popes, including the first one by Peter, the Hermit, a Catholic Monk. There was another organized by Saint Luis, who was even canonized by the Church. Any Jewish death as a result of these Crusades, the Church was directly responsible for. I am sorry, but
the Truth cannot be hidden on behalf of the Church.

Ben:

Ben, a morsel of truth again, ITs a revelation. But you did say something truth,

I Agree! The truth cannot and will never be hidden on behalf of the Catholic Church,

It impossible because the RCC is the Pillar of Truth. You will find nothing but the truth in the teachings of the RCC. Why because Jesus Christ is the Church. You cannot separate him from his church. I already told you that.

You want the truth ben, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. One road will get you there the straight and narrow.

One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Maybe someday you will have the grace from Jesus CHrist to accept the truth. But I for one I cannot give that to you. I cannot lie like I have heard others do and claim the Power of the Holy Spirit.

Oh the Lord is in my soul, but I do not have the AUTHORITY to teach what I think, I have the wisdom to learn from the Church. My Church the RCC. The bible tells me that. You made my day ben, and now I am going to enjoy the weekend and rejoice and be glad.

You can keep trying to destory the church, many have tried, and failed as you have done. Read about Saul ben, Maybe you can learn something! You may even see some of yourself in him. Jesus changed saul and can change you do. All you have to do is ask.

Have a great a wonderful week-end!

 

[Ben_Masada]

I am clouded with the Faith of Jesus Christ. Oh Dear Lord Jesus Christ Possess me. Take over my soul from this moment till the day I can meet you face to face.

FAITH OF OUR FATHER’S HOLY FAITH, WE WILL BE TRUE TILL THEE TILL DEATH!

Thank- you thank- you

Take it easy Rinnie. Jesus can’t hear you. He has been dead for two thousand years. I am sorry! The only consolation you can find is in the Scriptures.

Ben:

 

[rinnie]

Sorry to disappoint you Rinnie, but Jesus did not
claim to be any of the things you have in mind. Others claimed for him; and mind you, 50+ years after he had been gone.

Now, imagine someone telling you after 50 or 60 years that someone you slightly knew was this or that. You have to be somehow brainwashed to change your mind and start believing something else.

Ben:

Oh now you can read my mind. Maybe by next week you answer a simple question. Its so hard for you and I do not know why?

Again who do you say Jesus Christ claimed to be? What are you afraid to answer it? Or is it really just pure ignorance on your part. Oh well gotta Go!

 

[rinnie]

Take it easy Rinnie. Jesus can’t hear you. He has been dead for two thousand years. I am sorry! The only consolation you can find is in the Scriptures.

Ben:

BET ME!

 

[WarriorAngel]

We Muslims believe in the God of Abraham and Ishmael and Issac and Jacob and all the Israeli prophets, including the last Israeli prophet Jesus. Welcome.

And yet you do not believe in their prophecies?
That was their purpose BTW.

FWIW - Muhammad does not fulfill them …

WarriorAngel;4843894:

Several Crusades were worganized by Popes, including the first one by Peter, the Hermit, a Catholic Monk. There was another organized by Saint Luis, who was even canonized by the Church. Any Jewish death as a result of these Crusades, the Church was directly responsible for. I am sorry, but

the Truth cannot be hidden on behalf of the Church.

Ben:
Ben, if you are not able to research it, but will adhere to myths, then that’s fine, but at least admit you never read the scholars take on the history which i already provided in my previous post which falls after that quote of mine you repeated.

I never make claims [or refuse to] without some evidence to back me up.
I just wish others did the same.

Where is your evidence the Popes led that movement against the Jews…?

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And a rolleyes smiley is not proof btw.

Don’t sing it unless you bring it. That’s my motto.

 

[Ben_Masada]

Why? What is it to be a Jew in your account? Is it to be like Jesus who had an aversion for Gentiles? Did you know
that Jews in general don’t give a damn about sharing God’s Word with the Gentiles? Now, that I am here trying to share the true light of God’s Word’s with you, now, all of a sudden I am not Jewish? Let it be. It’s even better if you don’t believe I am Jewish.

Ben:

 

[adrift]

BET ME!

Na thats a sucker bet:tiphat: