The Wedding of Jesus

[paarsurrey]

Hi

Did Elijah or Jesus ever say that they won’t marry?

Kindly don’t make a guess work and please don’t try to impose your own thoughts or Paul’s mythycal philosophy on them. They had their own free will and were not a function of Paul’s blurred thinking , in my opinion.

Please quote from your scriptures for both the claim and resons/arguments, as your scriptures are supposed to be smarter than you, in my opinion. Do you agree on this?

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

 

[swariffin]

paarsurrey:
I never find any written proof that Paarsurrey can and may marry. Does it mean that you cannot marry?

 

[Ben_Masada]

Were all Jewish prophets married?

I believe they were, considering that it was a Jewish commandment to get married and father children.

Was Prophet Elijah married?

I believe he was, as Isaiah was. That commandment was taken for granted. That’s why it is mentioned only in special cases. That must be the reason why Jesus’ wedding was not explicitly mentioned. Or it indeed was and deleted for purposes to satisfy the Church of Paul.

Jews wanted to know if Jesus was Elijah come to life.

Jews know that the dead don’t return to life. That’s a Christian thing.

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n the Gospel the mention is about Jesus being invited to a wedding. He was attending a wedding, not getting married Himself.

I have said too much about the adulteration of that text. The original term was not “invited” but “called”. Jesus was called to take his Bride. I went through the same procedure when I got married here in Israel.

Why should it come as a surprise that Jesus chose to remain celibate?

Why should it come as a surprise that Jesus chose to get married?

John the Baptist was not married.

How do you know? If you don’t know, don’t state it as a fact; ask it.

Is celibacy of one’s free will so rare in the world that it cannot be even imagined? kQUOTE]

Too rare in the History of Israel. One had to claim
real special reasons not to take a wife. It was tantamont to redicule.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

You are being very dishonest. I notice you have yet to return to another thre ad where you are making these untrue accusations.

I will repeat here what I said there.

You keep claiming that you are a knowledgeable Jew. I think you had better now put up proof. I have checked with Jewish friends the things you have said. They say he couldn’t possibly be Jew. You have lost all credibility.

You must have talked with “Jews-for-Jesus” or “Messianic Jews.” Hyphenated Jews are no longer Jews.

Ben:

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

Hi

Did Elijah or Jesus ever said that they won’t marry?

Kindly don’t make a guess work and please don’t try to impose your own thoughts or Paul’s mythycal philosophy on them. They had their own free will and were not a function of Paul’s blurred thinking , in my opinion.

Please quote from your scriptures for both the claim and resons/arguments, as your scriptures are supposed to be smarter than you, in my opinion. Do you agree on this?

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Paarsurrey, Elijah and Jesus didn’t say a lot of things. What matters is what they did say and what they did do. The Bible is clear that they didn’t marry. You are constantly quoting Quran for your arguments about Jesus. (Btw, there is no mention about Jesus’ marriage in the Quran either. ) Do you realize how ridiculous that is, considering Mohammad was born only in 570 AD?

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

I believe they were, considering that it was a Jewish commandment to get married and father children.

I believe he was, as Isaiah was. That commandment was taken for granted. That’s why it is mentioned only in special cases. That must be the reason why Jesus’ wedding was not explicitly mentioned. Or it indeed was and deleted for purposes to satisfy the Church of Paul.

Jews know that the dead don’t return to life. That’s a Christian thing.

I

I have said too much about the adulteration of that text. The original term was not “invited” but “called”. Jesus was called to take his Bride. I went through the same procedure when I got married here in Israel.

Why should it come as a surprise that Jesus chose to get married?

How do you know? If you don’t know, don’t state it as a fact; ask it.

Is celibacy of one’s free will so rare in the world that it cannot be even imagined? kQUOTE]

 

[Ben_Masada]

No. Jesus only asked the men to fill the six stone jars in asceding to His Mother’s request. He did not have any conversation with the headwaiter. The headwaiter had the conversation with the groom, not with Jesus.

Ascending to his mother’s request! What was his mother’s request, to turn water into wine? What did she know if that was Jesus’ first miracle? Nice try my friend.

As others have mentioned, Jesus and His Mother were both invitede to the wedding at Cana.

Where is it written that Mary was invited? The text says that “The mother of Jesus was there.” The disciples yes, were invited. Jesus was called when the time came to take the Bride. The author of this gospel had too poor a knowledge of Jewish wedding. Besides, he wrote about it 60+ years after the fact.

Note that Jesus did not even talk to the headwaiter; the bridegroom did. You have misconstrued and misrepresented my post.

Jesus and the Bridegroom are one and the same
person.

Ben:

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

Ascending to his mother’s request! What was his mother’s request, to turn water into wine? What did she know if that was Jesus’ first miracle? Nice try my friend.

Where is it written that Mary was invited? The text says that “The mother of Jesus was there.” The disciples yes, were invited. Jesus was called when the time came to take the Bride. The author of this gospel had too poor a knowledge of Jewish wedding. Besides, he wrote about it 60+ years after the fact.

Jesus and the Bridegroom are one and the same
person.

Ben:

Ben, you should not put words and ideas into the New Testament that isn’t there. There is NO mention of Jesus’ marriage anywhere.

 

[LilyM]

Ben, you should not put words and ideas into the New Testament that isn’t there. There is NO mention of Jesus’ marriage anywhere.

Besides, Ben, you haven’t addressed the question of the Essenes who frequently if not routinely remained celibate and unwed.

Has it not crossed your mind that Jesus was just maybe influenced by the Essenes?

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben, I’m not an OT scholar. Otherwise I could quote straighaway the names of Jewish prophets who were not married. Marriages are mentioned in the OT.

But only in special cases. Marriage was always taken for granted in Israel.

quote]Being called to be a prophet of God is special enough reason to choose celibacy.

Not necessarily. Who could be more especially called to be a prophet as Isaiah? He was married. .

quote]Leave the New Testament to Christians. After all it is not the Scripture of Jews. It is for Christians to interpret their own Scripture.

I know, but they use our Scriptures to mislead many of our folks into believing what it’s not true. We have lost close to a million Jews to Christianity for lack of knowledge. Hosea says that people perish for lack of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6)

Remember all of Jesus’ disciples were Jews and Paul was a learned Pharisee who knew his Jewish Scripture well enough.

Yes, just enough to distort the text and assume that it points to the NT.

I know there is this Jewish tradition of Rabbinic interpretation of OT. As a Jew you must simply come to terms with the fact that Christians interpret the OT in the light of Jesus’ life and teachings. It may not agree with what Jews believe. That is why we call it the New Testament.

Yes, I agree with you, but why NT? Opposite to what, OT? That’s not our Tanach. That’s Replacement Theology, which has misled many Jews into believing that the Hebrew Scriptures have become but an archeological piece of Museum. That’s why I challenge them into defending their position vis-a-vis what they claim, or persuade me into becoming a Christian.

Ben:
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[Ben_Masada]

Besides, Ben, you haven’t addressed the question of the Essenes who frequently if not routinely remained celibate and unwed.

Has it not crossed your mind that Jesus was just maybe influenced by the Essenes?

Too hypothetical. There were exceptions but not all Essenes were celibate. Then, they would be secluded to a kind of closed community. Jesus was out in the open world acting as a Rabbi. And married Rabbis was not only taken for granted but a must to fulfill that commandment.

Ben:

 

[Ben_Masada]

Ben, you should not put words and ideas into the New Testament that isn’t there. There is NO mention of Jesus’ marriage anywhere.

Is there mention anywhere that Jesus was not married? Is there mention anywhere that Jesus went to the restroom everyday? Is there mention anywhere that he would go to bed to sleep everyday? Well, I hope you got the idea.

Ben:

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

Is there mention anywhere that Jesus was not married? Is there mention anywhere that Jesus went to the restroom everyday? Is there mention anywhere that he would go to bed to sleep everyday? Well, I hope you got the idea.

Ben:

Yes, I do get the idea Ben. There is mention of how Jesus’ mother conceived Him, how Joseph married Mary, where Jesus was born, how Joseph fled to escape Herod, how Jesus chose His disciples, how He went about from village to village preaching with His disciples, how He was betrayed etc etc. No mention of a marriage or wife.

No we don’t add to Jesus’ life what is not written in the NT. There is plenty written about His life. And it doesn’t include His marriage.

 

[LilyM]

Too hypothetical. There were exceptions but not all Essenes were celibate. Then, they would be secluded to a kind of closed community. Jesus was out in the open world acting as a Rabbi. And married Rabbis was not only taken for granted but a must to fulfill that commandment.

Ben:

Oh I see, it’s only when I hypothesise that it’s TOO hypothetical - however wildly YOU hypothesise, YOUR hypothesis is of course truth.

And how did Paul, a strict Pharisee student of Gamaliel, come to not only be unmarried but write to his fellow Christians PRAISING the celibate state? That’s a pretty huge shift in thinking for one person to make.

 

[paarsurrey]

Ben, you should not put words and ideas into the New Testament that isn’t there. There is NO mention of Jesus’ marriage anywhere.

Hi

I think it was only the privilige of Paul to put words into the mouth of Jesus; when Jesus had gone to India after the incident of Crucifixion in which he luckily survived with the grace of GodAllahYHWH, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

I know, but they use our Scriptures to mislead many of our folks into believing what it’s not true. We have lost close to a million Jews to Christianity for lack of knowledge. Hosea says that people perish for lack of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6)

Yes, just enough to distort the text and assume that it points to the NT.

Yes, I agree with you, but why NT? Opposite to what, OT? That’s not our Tanach. That’s Replacement Theology, which has misled many Jews into believing that the Hebrew Scriptures have become but an archeological piece of Museum. That’s why I challenge them into defending their position vis-a-vis what they claim, or persuade me into becoming a Christian.
Ben:

Ben, if I remember my OT reading right, Jews were not allowed to intermarry. But they have. So as a result there are a lot more Jews than there would have been if they had not intermarried. That should amply make up for the Jews who converted to Christianity as a result of Jesus’ teaching and that of His disciples.

Christianity is a worldwide religion that is 2000 years old. Officially at least one third of the world population is Christian. You should be happy that they follow the religion of a Jew. There are many Jewish Rabbis who are.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jews were not allowed to intermarry.

Hi

Kindly provide a reference from OTBible.

Thanks

 

[CarmeliteGirl25]

I believe you have been steeping yourself too much in the “Da Vinci Code.” It is a myth, and a very bad one, that Jesus was married. Jesus was a virgin His whole life. He never was married, and He did not father any children.

This is a problem with fiction. Some people take fiction for fact. There are those who say there is nothing harmful about “The Da Vinci Code,” but I can see the harm when I see your post.

Rabbi is not limited to just the preacher in the temple. It also means, “teacher,” and that’s what Jesus was. He taught the disciples how to live for God and how to bring others to His Kingdom.

The danger of interpreting the Bible much too literally is a problem. You read in between the lines, so to speak, and make up your own story. You, and everyone else, must remember that the Bible has been translated from Hebrew and Greek languages. Different words mean different things. For example, many people believe that Mary, Jesus’ mother, bore more than one child because they read “brothers” and take it as meaning blood-related. This is not the case. This is not what the Catholic Church teaches. Brothers and sisters mean much more than blood-related, and in the case of the Bible, they mean spiritual brothers and sisters.

 

[CarmeliteGirl25]

Cracking the Da Vinci Code

Good website. Thank you for posting!

 

[S_J_Thaikattil]

Ben, if enough Jews had not been persuaded, there would be no Christianity today. Remember Jews spread Christianity in the beginning.