The Zeitgeist Revolution

[Wirraway]

A valid rifle. Front Sight International offers a class on defense based around the double gun, particularly the elephant calibers

for defense? that bullet will keep going through walls a block away.

 

[pullnshoot25]

for defense? that bullet will keep going through walls a block away.

Don’t have to load it hot Besides, if you’re using one of those rifles you are living on a ranch or something and you have a **** load of money, considering the base price for one is 70k or so.

 

[Wirraway]

Don’t have to load it hot Besides, if you’re using one of those rifles you are living on a ranch or something and you have a **** load of money, considering the base price for one is 70k or so.

what shotguns do you use?

 

[steveandersen]

conspiracy theories, like the poor, will always be with us.

 

[pullnshoot25]

what shotguns do you use?

Well, I only have a 12ga H&R Topper 18" single shot because it is very light and very handy (and it hurts to use, due to its weight, unfortunately) but if I were to get one shotgun, I would get the Mossberg 500 Combo in 12 or 20 due to simplicity, ease of use and overall scare quality (racking it just triggers the fear sensors )

Of course, the ideal shotgun is not to be had. I would love to build one around the Winchester Model 12, Ithaca 37 and Benelli Super Nova conglomeration of designs…

 

[Ridgerunner]

I know how to shoot, and am not too bad at it. But I don’t know all these acronyms that are being cited on here. There’s a lot to know, evidently, if you want to be a real expert.

As an aside, I have always thought it would be smart for a person to own a black powder rifle or shotgun. I don’t like firing black powder, but it does what it’s supposed to do. The thing about it is that you can make your own black powder if the time ever comes when ammunition is tightly controlled. I used to make it when I was a teenager, though I haven’t done it for years. Just takes three ingredients, none of which is in any way controlled, and two of which you can make yourself if you’re so inclined.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Well, I only have a 12ga H&R Topper 18" single shot because it is very light and very handy (and it hurts to use, due to its weight, unfortunately) but if I were to get one shotgun, I would get the Mossberg 500 Combo in 12 or 20 due to simplicity, ease of use and overall scare quality (racking it just triggers the fear sensors )

Of course, the ideal shotgun is not to be had. I would love to build one around the Winchester Model 12, Ithaca 37 and Benelli Super Nova conglomeration of designs…

I don’t know about all those things, and tip my hat to those who do. But I will say that to me, the best “home protection” weapon, bar none, is a 45/410 pistol, loaded with .410 shells.

 

[Wirraway]

Ridgerunner: I reload shotshells all the time, so I’m familiar with safety issues, and you don’t ever want to experiment like that with black powder. the best thing that could happen is a squib, the worst is overpressure that could cause the breach or barrel to burst.

tests using ballistic gel show that the best home defense load is a 12 ga. shell loaded with No. 4 buck.

Pullnshoot25 I use a Browning BT-99 for singles and a Browning XT Trap for doubles, and for hunting a Khan o/u, which is a back of the truck beater. that Mossberg 500 is cool, look into the Remington 870 for a similar model.

 

[pullnshoot25]

I know how to shoot, and am not too bad at it. But I don’t know all these acronyms that are being cited on here. There’s a lot to know, evidently, if you want to be a real expert.

As an aside, I have always thought it would be smart for a person to own a black powder rifle or shotgun. I don’t like firing black powder, but it does what it’s supposed to do. The thing about it is that you can make your own black powder if the time ever comes when ammunition is tightly controlled. I used to make it when I was a teenager, though I haven’t done it for years. Just takes three ingredients, none of which is in any way controlled, and two of which you can make yourself if you’re so inclined.

That is why I like revolvers and leverguns, I can use black or smokeless. Shotguns the same thing, though I think that makes the usage of brass shells a must.

 

[pullnshoot25]

I don’t know about all those things, and tip my hat to those who do. But I will say that to me, the best “home protection” weapon, bar none, is a 45/410 pistol, loaded with .410 shells.

AAAH yes, the Taurus Judge. Unfortunately, the Judge has limited penetration in .410 mode, though the .45LC is a potent round when loaded right. It is a cool pistol though. I want one, though you can’t get them here in KA.

 

[pullnshoot25]

Ridgerunner: I reload shotshells all the time, so I’m familiar with safety issues, and you don’t ever want to experiment like that with black powder. the best thing that could happen is a squib, the worst is overpressure that could cause the breach or barrel to burst.

tests using ballistic gel show that the best home defense load is a 12 ga. shell loaded with No. 4 buck.

Pullnshoot25 I use a Browning BT-99 for singles and a Browning XT Trap for doubles, and for hunting a Khan o/u, which is a back of the truck beater. that Mossberg 500 is cool, look into the Remington 870 for a similar model.

Remington 870 is cool but I dont like how heavy it is. Plus, I don’t like the location of the slide release/stop, though it is more advantageously placed in a pistol grip configuration than that of the Mossberg 500s.

How do you like your Khan? I have thought about getting one of those Big 5 Specials and stuff. I shot a Remington Spartan and I had some fun with that, it is a sweet gun for the money and probably comparable to the Khan. How much did you pay for it?

 

[Wirraway]

Remington 870 is cool but I dont like how heavy it is. Plus, I don’t like the location of the slide release/stop, though it is more advantageously placed in a pistol grip configuration than that of the Mossberg 500s.

How do you like your Khan? I have thought about getting one of those Big 5 Specials and stuff. I shot a Remington Spartan and I had some fun with that, it is a sweet gun for the money and probably comparable to the Khan. How much did you pay for it?

the 870 and 500 are about the same weight as well as the same in other specs. I wouldn’t want a light shotgun if you’re going to shoot all day.

I got the Khan before Remington bought it out and renamed it the Spartan. I never put it through heavy use, but a friend who owned one reported firing pin problems early on. it has a very, very heavy trigger pull, I had a gunsmith lighten it. the action is a lot stiffer than I’d prefer and the barrel selector actually has a setting (and this is not in the manual) for firing both barrels, which you do not want to do. its OK for short range upland birds. its a light gun, so there’s no problem hauling it around in the field all day. it came with four flush choke tubes, but there’s no aftermarket for tubes for this gun, unless remington stepped in. paid around $400 a few years ago. its the o/u equivalent of an 870 Express.

if you’re curious about more, check out www.shotgunworld.com

 

[pullnshoot25]

the 870 and 500 are about the same weight as well as the same in other specs. I wouldn’t want a light shotgun if you’re going to shoot all day.

I got the Khan before Remington bought it out and renamed it the Spartan. I never put it through heavy use, but a friend who owned one reported firing pin problems early on. it has a very, very heavy trigger pull, I had a gunsmith lighten it. the action is a lot stiffer than I’d prefer and the barrel selector actually has a setting (and this is not in the manual) for firing both barrels, which you do not want to do. its OK for short range upland birds. its a light gun, so there’s no problem hauling it around in the field all day. it came with four flush choke tubes, but there’s no aftermarket for tubes for this gun, unless remington stepped in. paid around $400 a few years ago. its the o/u equivalent of an 870 Express.

if you’re curious about more, check out www.shotgunworld.com

Mossberg 500 is lighter due to the alloy receiver (steel/aluminum) vs. the all steel receiver of the 870. The only thing I dont like about it is that it doesn’t have magazine tube changing capability.

What I hate about BOTH of them is the fact that there is a trigger disconnector…

 

[Wirraway]

Mossberg 500 is lighter due to the alloy receiver (steel/aluminum) vs. the all steel receiver of the 870. The only thing I dont like about it is that it doesn’t have magazine tube changing capability.

What I hate about BOTH of them is the fact that there is a trigger disconnector…

that’s why you’d like a Model 12

 

[pullnshoot25]

that’s why you’d like a Model 12

That was my first shotgun, I have many good memories of busting clay pigeons with my regular 1945 (1947?) Model 12.

The following describes my ideal shotgun… (Posted this a while back on calguns.net)

-Pump action
-Break apart (Winchester Model 12)
-Bottom ejecting (Ithaca 37)
-No trigger disconnector (Model 12/Ithaca 37)
-Ambidextrous safety (Mossberg 500)
-Maybe trigger safety like a Glock? (kinda iffy…)
-Mag extension capable (most good shotguns)
-2 3/4 AND 3" capable. (3 1/2" for custom orders)
-Dual slide bars
-Choke/Barrel extension capable.
-Bayonet lug capable (available as an add-on to any shotgun in the line AND as a standard in the police ones)
-Shell changing button (Benelli Nova)

 

[Wirraway]

I have an old police riot gun that I picked up at a gun show, a winchester 18" barrel with an extended mag and sidesaddle.

I shoot ATA and a wednesday night league, so my BT-99 (34" barrel, six way adjustable stock) now has a glass smooth action. with an briley improved modified choke, its good from any distance. that combination works perfectly with the generic federal “sport” loads, the patterns are always even, never blown no hot spots. No.7.5 shot works for all distances, expecially with the cooling weather and the bio-degradeable clays used locally.

there was an epic fail of a night about two years ago in league, it was probably just above 32F which made the clays harder and stiffened the rubber strip on the trap arms, so the birds flew like knuckleballs and the lack of spin made them difficult to break. gusty, strong winds blowing blew dead in, so birds would actually land behind the 27 yard line. teams with raw scores usually in the 90s were turning in scores of 5, there were dozens of 0/25.

 

[erbo]

Do you know how many people think this rubbish is true?

The BANKS the FEDERAL GOVERMENT the MILLITARY and the ENERGY COMPANIES will enslave the world?

The GREED of the GOVERMENT and the CHURCHES that shove LIES down people’s throats and BRAINWASH them into sumbission?

And all the people on internet forums talking about a “Coming Revolution”

I’m terrified.

Haven’t posted in awhile, but I just saw this film too. I was really disturbed by the first Zeitgeist movie, and I have since learned a lot from it.

What I have learned about this movie (like any documentary) is that there is a lot of good information mixed with a lot of rubbish. As concerned citizens and faithful Catholics, we must separate the “wheat from the chafe” here.

Parts of Zeitgeist: Addendum that I consider valid

1. The fiat monetary system used in this country (and most of the developed world) is inherently flawed and corrupt. Money is backed by debt now, not any asset. The Federal Reserve bank, and other banks in the system can create this money out of thin air. People who are in this monetary system are basically indentured servants. There are some other good documentaries that go far deeper into the money issues presented in Zeitgeist: Addendum.
   Money As Debt:
   video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279

The Money Masters:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936

Fiat Empire:
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5232639329002339531

1. The IMF and the World Bank have been enslaving third world countries by encouraging these countries to take on massive debt. They do this through corrupt leaders and economic hitmen. Once these countries are buried in debt, the IMF and World bank “liquidate” the country’s resources and economy. A good documentary on this subject is “The Corporation” (link not availalbe).

Parts of Zeitgeist:Addendum that I think are rubbish

1. Blind faith and trust in technology as the means to establish a “heaven on earth”. In the society envisioned by “The Venus Project”, the creators place technology as the centerpiece of society. They argue that technology will create abundance and enable humans to be happy. This flies in the face of Catholic and Christian thought. As Peter Kreeft says, a society must put “First things first”, focusing on natural law and morality. There would be no place for the family in such a “tech-ocracy”.
2. Morals are merely a way of “social control”. The author argues that the purpose of churches and religion is to force people into a collectivist mindset, burdening people with morals is only a way for the elite to impose guilt and control on people. This is the conclusion one reaches when he/she makes himself/herself the ultimate arbiter of truth and morality. The truth is that there is an objectively real moral law.

These are rough outlines of what I have found from Zeitgeist. I’d be interested to see what people think about these conclusions.

-erbo

 

[Wirraway]

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2. Morals are merely a way of “social control”. The author argues that the purpose of churches and religion is to force people into a collectivist mindset, burdening people with morals is only a way for the elite to impose guilt and control on people. … I’d be interested to see what people think about these conclusions.

-erbo

its not an original thought. marx called religion the opium of the people, but the Zeitgeist version is, not surprisingly, dumbed down, freshman political science angsty simplified version. and history has proved marx to be an epic fail.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

This documentary may have been very biased, but that doesn’t mean it gives us answers.

Critically thinking is a gift that I cherish. God (or this higher power) gave it to me, it would be offensive if I didn’t use it. So, I’m very grateful that I saw these documentaries.

Blade and Blood feels like she’s come back from the dead!

Ironically Yours, BLADE AND BLOOD

 

[empacae]

I’ve always wanted a double barrel and saw down the barrels and stock and have rock salt cartridges just to hang off the back of my door.

just my :twocents:
emp