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Roseeurekacross
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Their cross to bear’: The Catholic women told to forgive domestic violence
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'Their cross to bear': The Catholic women told to forgive domestic violence
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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I’m sorry, but this article is the exact opposite of everything I’ve ever read or heard.
Women do stay in violent marriages because of a mistaken notion that separation would be sinful, but every Catholic book, article, pamphlet, TV show I’ve ever read says the woman has the right to leave an abusive spouse.
And I’ve read a lot…
Sounds like maybe this article is pot stirring?
Women do stay in violent marriages because of a mistaken notion that separation would be sinful, but every Catholic book, article, pamphlet, TV show I’ve ever read says the woman has the right to leave an abusive spouse.
And I’ve read a lot…
Sounds like maybe this article is pot stirring?
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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We do, however, have a mandate from Jesus to forgive those who do us wrong.
Not the same as staying with an abuser.
Not the same as staying with an abuser.
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ATraveller
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I believe Rose or someone else earlier this year posted a link to Australian media about domestic violence statistics. As we found out, the article distorted the statistics to make it look like religious people are much more abusive. The American statistics I’m aware of show the complete opposite and very likely wouldn’t be different there or anywhere in the Anglosphere. So maybe the media in Australia are trying to start something. Taking a serious problem and smearing Christians with it?article is pot stirring?
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TK421
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@Roseeurekacross
Thanks for sharing.
I wish the the article had made a different choice of words than “forgive”, since 1) forgiveness and 2) people being held accountable for their actions, are not at all mutually exclusive concepts. But, it is a secular article and I wouldn’t expect them to dig into the finer details of Catholic morality.
I don’t know to what degree domestic violence is an issue in Australia. It’s always hard to say since it’s the sort of thing that can be reported very erratically. I wish the Aussie Church the best of luck. They’ve got a lot of work to do.
Thanks for sharing.
I wish the the article had made a different choice of words than “forgive”, since 1) forgiveness and 2) people being held accountable for their actions, are not at all mutually exclusive concepts. But, it is a secular article and I wouldn’t expect them to dig into the finer details of Catholic morality.
I don’t know to what degree domestic violence is an issue in Australia. It’s always hard to say since it’s the sort of thing that can be reported very erratically. I wish the Aussie Church the best of luck. They’ve got a lot of work to do.
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JimR-OCDS
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Actually, offer it up and learn to be a better wife to your husband was the sort of advice my grandmother and mother would’ve been given even back in the 50’s, before Vatican II.
Divorce, even from an abusive husband was forbidden and annulments rarely given, except if you had enough money to donate to the Church.
Sorry, but this dirty laundry of the Church is the way it was for many Catholics in the past and upsetting for those who like to romanticize about the good o’l days of the past which they never knew.
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Divorce, even from an abusive husband was forbidden and annulments rarely given, except if you had enough money to donate to the Church.
Sorry, but this dirty laundry of the Church is the way it was for many Catholics in the past and upsetting for those who like to romanticize about the good o’l days of the past which they never knew.
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oldwoman159
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Abuse of any form is bad, we pray, we try to forgive others just like in the Lords Prayer. This Pope now , no comment.
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Imdaman
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So what is it you are trying to say here? Do you actually believe that the Church pushes women to stay in harmful marriages???
If you have not heard, Civil divorce is not a sin and may be very necessary. It seems to me you are trying to create a tempest.
If you have not heard, Civil divorce is not a sin and may be very necessary. It seems to me you are trying to create a tempest.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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I appreciate your thoughtful comment.
I just wonder, though–who was giving this advice, clergy? Or misinformed family members?
Is there actually a Church document from that time ordering a woman to stay with abusive husbands?
If an individual priest recommended her to stay with an abuser, then shame on him!
I think I reacted the way I did to the emotion laden words of the headline–I still maintain that was pot stirring.
I just wonder, though–who was giving this advice, clergy? Or misinformed family members?
Is there actually a Church document from that time ordering a woman to stay with abusive husbands?
If an individual priest recommended her to stay with an abuser, then shame on him!
I think I reacted the way I did to the emotion laden words of the headline–I still maintain that was pot stirring.
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JimR-OCDS
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The parish priests.I just wonder, though–who was giving this advice, clergy? Or misinformed family members?
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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In that case, shame!
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Viki63
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From the article:
“As a spokesperson for the Archdiocese of Melbourne told the ABC: “Clergy who counsel victims to remain in abusive marriages for the sake of their marriage do so in contravention of Church teaching. Canon 1151 declares that a lawful reason — the prevalence of domestic violence is one such reason — excuses the obligation to maintain a common life.””
The headline is sensationalizing the article. Although apparently a few priests have advised staying in abusive marriages, it is not Catholic teaching. And it bears mentioning that one can forgive an abuser and still flee far from him. I pray for my ex husband every day, and hope he makes it to heaven, but no way would put myself back in that situation.
“As a spokesperson for the Archdiocese of Melbourne told the ABC: “Clergy who counsel victims to remain in abusive marriages for the sake of their marriage do so in contravention of Church teaching. Canon 1151 declares that a lawful reason — the prevalence of domestic violence is one such reason — excuses the obligation to maintain a common life.””
The headline is sensationalizing the article. Although apparently a few priests have advised staying in abusive marriages, it is not Catholic teaching. And it bears mentioning that one can forgive an abuser and still flee far from him. I pray for my ex husband every day, and hope he makes it to heaven, but no way would put myself back in that situation.
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