Your statement implies that you are not hindered by human limitation since you know that we who are limited are wrong. You are not even certain that there is a God, yet you pretend to know how He thinks and acts. Maybe you could give an example of changing from one perfect state to another and what the purpose of that change would be.
Because Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua stated that we should not put a stumbling block in front of his little ones. If in fact theoretical physics can help us to word an idea in a manner that can help Moslems, Christians and Jews have a better dialogue with each other than ever before in our history, then it is worth the mental effort to attempt to look at such subjects as the virgin birth, from this new angle of there being multiple invisible dimensions apparently teeming with angelic, and demonic and ghost like life forms!?
Ok, but where is this teaching? Which teaching? I am just very curious, and have asked twice now for someone to point something out.
Hi Tester: Good question. Maybe I am into another theory. Basically I am saying that perhaps God learns and becomes better and better at some types of activities that we humans could compare with technological innovation.
Larkin 31, I am impressed and encouraged by how you word this. Thank you immensely for commenting on this puzzling and troubling question. Personally I think that you are correct.
I am amazed by the poll results thus far!
All I have done is asked questions and suggested that there might be possibilities beyond our understanding. I am not “pretending to know how He thinks and acts.” Indeed, it was you who stated that God could/would have no such motivation to change. Please be honest about who is ascribing or denying motives to God. I am merely asking for a persuasive reason why one would deny God any possible motive or existence of any kind.
Christian Andreason, in his extensive near death experience recounts seeing God singing, but then singing at an even higher level…and then later at an even higher level that that!?
(Chapter 4, for the spirit)
Hi Dennis Tate: I don’t know if myself or anyone can say whether you have made any errors or not. You have some interesting ideas that are founded in some very sound science, and above all, you care enough to want to see all of God’s creations get along with one another, regardless of their religions. That is a blessing that many are blind to. You are not alone in your quest to rectify spirituality with science. The good news for you is that growing numbers of scientists are becoming more spiritual because of some of the very theories you have talked about. I am not one of them, but I have been watching it happen. My path is more spiritual in nature than scientific but I am fascinated by science. I will say that the God evolution idea is a new and quite interesting one that I hadn’t heard yet, and I thought about it a long time before my initial reply of “yes and no.” I still think the answer is yes and no.
I don’t think that is right. As I understand it, God is not not traveling through time with us, rather, time is a feature of this universe He has created. We experience a succession of events, but God perceives the whole of His creation from beginning to end in a timeless now. Our Lord reveals Himself to Moses, fasts in the desert, gathers His disciples, dies on the cross, rises from the dead, speaks to His saints as they grow holy, and sits on His throne separating the sheep from the goats on the great and terrible day of judgment all at the same moment from His point of view, yet with an eternity to contemplate the most minute action He or any creature takes.
Wait - what?
Frozen sperm :hypno: Mary had IVF :hypno:
No I didn’t… :hypno: Tell me more :hypno: :hypno:
THANK YOU. I actually subscribe to this theory myself, and posted earlier in this thread - but it was looked over. They sure are using it as a trojan horse aren’t they… :nope:
Yes, I have heard this claim before. Where does it come from? Chances are, that this is a dimensional math concept as well. Which was Dennis’s point, no?
Hi Charlotte: I wrote the original message to a Jewish Rabbi, and each of us has a responsibility to word a concept in a manner that has the highest probability of being understood by our immediate audience.
This verse seems to indicate that the full plan of God would not be understood until the latter days, which pretty much rules out its being considered perfectly a thousand years PREVIOUS to the latter days. In these latter days everybody, no matter how advanced our scholarship has things that we can learn even from a child, especially one who has a brush with death and is sent back to tell us about what they saw. Dr. Melvin Morse has written a lot on the NDE’s of children.
Wow, another impressive answer Sufjon!Hi Dennis Tate: I don’t know if myself or anyone can say whether you have made any errors or not. You have some interesting ideas that are founded in some very sound science, and above all, you care enough to want to see all of God’s creations get along with one another, regardless of their religions. That is a blessing that many are blind to. You are not alone in your quest to rectify spirituality with science. The good news for you is that growing numbers of scientists are becoming more spiritual because of some of the very theories you have talked about. I am not one of them, but I have been watching it happen. My path is more spiritual in nature than scientific but I am fascinated by science. I will say that the God evolution idea is a new and quite interesting one that I hadn’t heard yet, and I thought about it a long time before my initial reply of “yes and no.” I still think the answer is yes and no.
You are straddling the line between science and spirituality. This means that you will probably have detractors from both sides, meaning atheists won’t like your use of science to prove spirituality and religious people from Abrahamic traditions will be taken aback by some of the ideas that you’ll come up with. There will be others who will correct you on your knowledge, but I think they are mostly interested showing how clever they are. As long as you are prepared for that, press on. It is your path that God has given you. Perhaps you should walk it and see where it goes. Just be guileless along the way.
Your friend
Sufjon
I believe that God actually wants to save everybody and has the technological capability to re-create moments in what we term history, but the purpose will be to initiate the era of Messiah quickly and spin off world events in a vastly more positive way in which events went in the past. What we call history could in a sense also be termed Worst Possible Case Scenario.
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The belief in the eternity of God comes from Scripture and creed and the writings of the saints.
Two scriptural references (the saints’ quotes don’t have much weight with me–they are interpreting, like you can).
My apologies Larkin if I have already put this quotation into this thread but here is an intriguing idea from an article in an encyclopaedia on science that fundamental energy operates at an astonishingly high level…some trillion times greater than what our scientists can experiment with in a particle accelerator:
Does this statement fit in nicely with the First Law of thermodynamics?
If so then a powerful case can be presented that a fundamental energy or energies would always have existed. How would these energies be behaving?
I predict that there will never be a good fit between atomic physics and scripture except in the most general and figurative sense, and not how the scripture writers meant the narrative.