Theistic Evolutionary Theory...this may be the key to ushering in the era of Messiah!?

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I hope this is not the best argument you can come up with to support the existence of the Abrahamic God and creationism. (Christopher …)
Hi Christopher: I would like to think that my argument is a little more compelling.

If fundamental energy operates at SOME TRILLION times more energy than our scientists can experiment with in our best particle accelerators:

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The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly
// (The World of Science, volume 21, A Theory of Everything)

And if the first law of thermodynamics still is applicable in terms of String Theory, Wave Theory and GUT then…

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The First Law states that energy cannot be created or destroyed; rather, the amount of energy lost in a steady state process cannot be greater than the amount of energy gained
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

… a powerful case can be presented that fundamental energy, must have been doing SOMETHING for what would perhaps resemble infinite time even previous to our Big Bang. Dr. Stephen Hawking is the first writer I ever read who wrote about the possibility of an INFINITE number of Big Bangs…Why you ask?

Because he realized that the LAW of probability is profoundly stacked against TRADITIONAL DARWINIAN evolutionary theory, especially the part dealt with by cosmologists!

Ask yourself was Dennis Tate kind of shocked when I read how a near death experiencer also wrote about AN INFINITE number of Big Bangs?!

Yes!

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I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or yugas creating and de-creating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.
It took me years after I returned to assimilate any words at all for the void experience. I can tell you this now; the void is less than nothing, yet more than everything that is! The void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is absolute consciousness; much more than even universal intelligence
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As I was exploring the void and all the yugas or creations, I was completely out of time and space as we know it. In this expanded state, I discovered that creation is about absolute pure consciousness, or God, coming into the experience of life as we know it. The void itself is devoid of experience. It is pre-life, before the first vibration. Godhead is about more than life and death. Therefore there is even more than life and death to experience in the universe!
I was in the void and I was aware of everything that had ever been created. It was like I was looking out of God’s eyes. I had become God. Suddenly I wasn’t me anymore. The only thing I can say, I was looking out of God’s eyes. And suddenly I knew why every atom was, and I could see everything.
The interesting point was that I went into the void, I came back with this understanding that God is not there. God is here. That’s what it is all about. So this constant search of the human race to go out and find God … God gave everything to us, everything is here - this is where it’s at. And what we are into now is God’s exploration of God through us. People are so busy trying to become God that they ought to realize that we are already God and God is becoming us. That’s what it is really about.
When I realized this, I was finished with the void, and wanted to return to this creation, or yuga. It just seemed like the natural thing to do.
Then I suddenly came back through the second light, or the Big Bang, hearing several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back through all of creation, and what a ride it was! The superclusters of galaxies came through me with even more insights. I passed through the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are the great processors or recyclers of the universe. Do you know what is on the other side of a black hole? We are; our galaxy; which has been reprocessed from another universe.
In its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of lights. All energy this side of the Big Bang is light. Every sub-atom, atom, star, planet, even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is living stuff. Everything is made of light, even stones. So everything is alive. Everything is made from the light of God; everything is very intelligent
.// (Mellen Benedict, near-death.com)
 
I predict that there will never be a good fit between atomic physics and scripture except in the most general and figurative sense, and not how the scripture writers meant the narrative.
Interesting comment Larkin.

I can’t agree because I feel that in a sense the entire creation was formed by the Word of God, and is in itself a form of SCRIPTURE!
30] Thou shalt send forth thy spirit, and they shall be created: and thou shalt renew the face of the earth.
(Psalm 103)

and also:

Acts 7:44
Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen.
Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
(Hebrews 8:5)
 
Interesting comment Larkin.

I can’t agree because I feel that in a sense the entire creation was formed by the Word of God, and is in itself a form of SCRIPTURE!
As I said, general metaphor can apply to just about anything.
 
As I said, general metaphor can apply to just about anything.
So true Larkin. Have you ever noticed how we Christians attempt to NAIL DOWN THE WORD, limit the meaning of a scripture to ONE simple idea that we like as opposed to allowing the Word to have a much broader possible meaning such as is the case with other languages?

Ron Dart gave a lecture one time where he stated that English was a language profoundly affected by the desire of lawyers and legislators to be able to come up with a loophole free clause, piece of legislation, or agreement. Hebrew on the other hand by its very nature allows for a much wider range of understanding in the mind of the hearer.
 
So true Larkin. Have you ever noticed how we Christians attempt to NAIL DOWN THE WORD, limit the meaning of a scripture to ONE simple idea that we like as opposed to allowing the Word to have a much broader possible meaning such as is the case with other languages?

Ron Dart gave a lecture one time where he stated that English was a language profoundly affected by the desire of lawyers and legislators to be able to come up with a loophole free clause, piece of legislation, or agreement. Hebrew on the other hand by its very nature allows for a much wider range of understanding in the mind of the hearer.
Interesting comment on English!

But in some cases, some form of agreement on the meanings of words must be reached for shared understanding and communication.
 
Interesting comment on English!

But in some cases, some form of agreement on the meanings of words must be reached for shared understanding and communication.
Excellent point Larkin. Over these past few decades the subject of hell has been virtually ignored. This question of God possibly learning and learning and learning may give us an angle to approach the subject of the reality of hell in a manner that is not so offensive:

carbonbias.blogspot.com/2010/02/evolution-of-being-or-beings-of-light.html#comments
If YHWH/God actually evolved over infinite time, then there may have been a time when all God had around Him/Her was Super Strings and Super Energetic Matter. If there are no other beings in the universe then it is difficult to altruistically worry about others, if there are no others.
The thought has crossed my mind that some visions of hell may be people having their consciousness taken down to become somewhat like a living conscious electron microscope. Did Dr. Michael Yeager see and experience the off the scale energy and horror of tenth or eleventh dimensional space time where he perceived Super Strings as worms chasing him around and did his consciousness perceive the off the scale energy of the fundamental dimensions as heat that ripped his soul/higher dimensional body apart?!
I have concluded that I should no longer consider the people who have warned me about hell to be completely off their rockers and ignorant even of scripture. At this time I suspect that these visions of hell could have a basis in theoretical physics!

Dr. Michael Yeager, on the verge of suicide and with a knife to his wrist a fear hit him which he now recognizes as the fear of God. He dropped his knife and went to his knees and asked the Lord to forgive him of his sins and he gave his life to the Lord.
He was immediately freed from all addictions and was given a desire to tell others about Jesus. What stuck out to me the most is that he said that selfishness is the beginning of being on the pathway to hell. He mentions things like being obsessed with TV watching, sports and anything else we love more than God, as very dangerous and can place us on the wrong path.
One night when in prayer he received a vision of hell and the floor of his room opened up he kept falling down and down in a deep dark hole for miles and miles. It was very real and he could see, touch, smell, feel everything. Fear was filling his whole being.

He was shown that selfishness is the gateway to hell. Excruciating pain overtook him fully as he was submerged in this sea of fire and brimstone that looked like lava. As he was sucked down into this sea he was in total darkness with no light at all. He was suffocating and could not take a breath but yet he was not dying. When he returned to the surface he realized that he was till intact and his five senses were very much alive.
There were other creatures in the sea of fire that looked like huge worms. They would come to the surface and then disappear and then return to the surface. About 20 feet from him he saw them coming to the surface and they were coming towards him. When they reached him they began boring into him and went inside his body and brain and were coming out of his eyes. They were driving him insane. (where the worm dieth not) There is no end to these things in hell. They are eternal. There is no place to go for any relief. There is no love there. It is totally void of love. An emptiness beyond comprehension enveloped him.
Although there were many, many others there, there were no communications whatsoever. Your memory is also there still with you and you can remember everything that went on in your life, including each time the Gospel was presented to you and you refused.
I find it to be more than merely interesting that scientists write about the existence of Super Strings as well as Super Waves and/or Super Energetic Matter. Could those worms that Dr. Yeager saw be Super Strings in their raw form??? Could the off the scale heat of that lake of fire be Super Waves and/or Super Energetic Matter in its raw form???

We certainly do know that the angels existed previous to the existence of the earth according to this statement in the Book of Job:
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
(Job 38:4, 7)
 
View Poll Results: Are you offended by the idea of God evolving?
Yes, this is a blasphemous idea, God always knew everything about everything! 28 84.85%
No, I like the idea of God evolving and learning and getting better and better at creating life. 0 0%
I have never heard of this idea before but it does not offend me. 3 9.09%
No, this isn’t offensive, this could revolutionize education. 0 0%
Yes this is offensive, science and religion should not be mixed together. 0 0%
This offends me somewhat but this is an improvement over atheistic evolutionary theory. 3 9.09%
Wow!

I truly appreciate your participation in this poll. I am surprised by the results but I feel that just as God showed the prophet Jeremiah that God loved the way that the Rechabites lived and respected their ancestor so also I am impressed by the fact that many of you find this idea somewhat offensive.

Your zeal to stand up for the omnipotence of God as you understand it is wonderful.

I am sorry to be offensive but my most recent post linking this idea with a possible way to explain hell to people may help you to realize that this idea has amazing potential to transform lives and reach a group of people who are astonishingly difficult to get the truth across to.
 
In a sense this question revolves around how far the meaning of these words should be taken?

Genesis 1:26 ¶
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Did God mean that when a human being starts life as a single cell with half if its chromosomes coming from mom and half of its chromosomes coming from dad that this is a picture of how God began as a cell of fundamental energy that perhaps was composed of both Super Strings as well as Super Waves???

grandunifiedtheory.org.il/book/life1.htm

“The essential matter from which our universe is created is energetic matter. It behaves like living matter, creating every known entity, including living objects and even thought (which occurs through energetic matter–wave interaction). The essential structure of energetic matter is high-energy (concentrated energetic matter) electro-magnetic waves (picture above). This simple structure is the basis of everything: every energetic formation and the universe. In picture 2, we see that the DNA (double helix) of all living formations has the same structure as waves: two loops of the same energetic matter, behaving according to the same rules.” (Dr. Chaim Tejman)
 
Oh, you may all be interested in the idea that this theory puts the burden of proof on the skeptic as opposed to being on the believer!

Topic: The burden of proof is on the skeptic IF…
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…evolutionary theory is expanded to include infinite time and is no longer limited to 4.5 billion years.
Did a Creative Force Evolve in fundamental energy in infinite time previous to what we term the Big Bang that really could just as easily be thought of as OUR Big Bang?
I actually do believe in evolution but I think that anybody who would dogmatically limit evolution to our four dimensional space time continuum lacks basic mathematical aptitude.
Back in the 1990’s I read several articles on GUT and string theory. Later on I read Stephen Hawking’s Universe. in his chapter The Anthropic Principle he speculated that perhaps there were an infinite number of unsuccessful universes out there somewhere in which was no life due to the fact that electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force were not properly tuned for life as we know it. It seems obvious to me that another possibility is that the first intelligent life form might be composed of energy. Probably a fundamental energy such as SuperForce or Super Energetic Matter which may be the common denominator for all four forces active in our fourth space time dimensional continuum.
13.72 billion years or 4.5 billion years is roughly equal to ZERO time when compared with eternity. If fundamental energy would always have existed, as I assume Dr. Hawking seems to believe due to his suspicion of their having been an infinite number of unsuccessful universes and probably Big Bang + Grand Collapses, then if evolutionary theory could be expanded to have occurred within infinite time as opposed to limiting abiogenesis and evolution to abouit 4.5 billion years than you increase the probability of evolution being possible by essentially an infinite factor! I do believe in evolution occurring, but I suspect that perhaps 99% of evolution probably occurred before our Big Bang which was probably planned and choreographed by the Life Form/life forms that would probably be composed of fundamental energy.
Is evolution more probable to have occurred within 13 billion years or within eternity?
I must admit that these ideas about invisible higher space time dimensions sure does remind me of what many people who have a brush with death report.
I heard Dr. Dawkins do an interview where he postulated that perhaps an alien life form had evolved before us and had been instrumental in transporting organic matter to our earth. Dr. Dawkins is on target to not limit evolutionary theory to our planet but I personally feel that an objective thinker will be wide open to the possibility that life evolved in fundamental energy since after all it seems to operate at SOME TRILLION times more energy than our most well equipped scientists can work with at this time.
“The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly” ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of
Science)
 
The idea of “God evolving” is completely blasphemous. The idea of human perception evolving regarding God is inherently scriptural, and consistent woth the Catechism of the Catholic Church teachings of God reaching out to man, and man responding.

None of the questions in the poll included that perception, as far as I could tell. This does not mean that the prophets lacked a clear perception of God, but explains why they had to keep telling the people, as in Isaiah, “My people has not understood.” The poets and histories demonstrate that. Whatever the prophets said, the people took time going from believing in God as greater among other gods to King of all the gods (Psalms) to the only God. The scriptures do not demonstrate that perception across all literary genre until Maccabees and Wisdom.

The prophets declared Him, the people only accepted a piece at a time, and the perception in which they wrote their histories and poetry affected what they wrote about Him. If we assume that they accurately understood what they wrote about, the body of scripture might create the appearance of God evolving – but that puts the consistency in the wrong place.

God is consistent, people are not. The scriptures show how He declared himself repeatedly, people repeatedly failed to understand, and only when His people understood that He was the one and only God was His people ready for His perfect revelation in Christ – and most of His covenant people did not understand.
 
Wow!
I am sorry to be offensive but my most recent post linking this idea with a possible way to explain hell to people may help you to realize that this idea has amazing potential to transform lives and reach a group of people who are astonishingly difficult to get the truth across to.
I am known as diplomatic and open-minded on religious concepts. This idea is heresy. There is no other word for it, and the Church has never justified heresy just because it helps a partial turth get to some segment of the population. “If the trumpet make an uncertain sound, who shall prepare for battle?”

We might as well tell people that it is okay to take the Eucharist if you think it is just a symbol. I use that specifically because transsubstantiation was one doctrine that led me to dismiss Catholicism altogether, until the first time I actually attended a Catholic mass at the age of 47.

It is easier for God to convert us to something that we never thought we could believe (consider St. Paul) than for us to change our mind from a false doctrine once we have believed it true. We do unbelievers a disservice by coating our medicine with sweet tasting poison so that they can swallow something without really knowing what it is.
 
I am known as diplomatic and open-minded on religious concepts. This idea is heresy. There is no other word for it, and the Church has never justified heresy just because it helps a partial turth get to some segment of the population. “If the trumpet make an uncertain sound, who shall prepare for battle?”

We might as well tell people that it is okay to take the Eucharist if you think it is just a symbol. I use that specifically because transsubstantiation was one doctrine that led me to dismiss Catholicism altogether, until the first time I actually attended a Catholic mass at the age of 47.

It is easier for God to convert us to something that we never thought we could believe (consider St. Paul) than for us to change our mind from a false doctrine once we have believed it true. We do unbelievers a disservice by coating our medicine with sweet tasting poison so that they can swallow something without really knowing what it is.
Greetings Peter John: I truly appreciate your replies to this topic. I already read your first reply three times and I shall probably read and consider it again before fully replying to your assertions.

You may be right Peter John. Perhaps I am the type of heretic that cannot be drawn to true and full repentance. I remember the old saying that you can take the man out of the Worldwide Church of God, but you cannot take the W.W.C.G. out of the man!

On the other hand I am genuinely interested in conversion to Catholicism and I personally strongly suspect that just as five branches of String Theory were eventually incorporated into what appears to be a much more impressive M-Theory, so also perhaps the Catholic Church has a place for Judaizers such as myself…who at least are willing to do what they can to attempt to protect the unborn!?
 
The idea of “God evolving” is completely blasphemous. The idea of human perception evolving regarding God is inherently scriptural, and consistent woth the Catechism of the Catholic Church teachings of God reaching out to man, and man responding.

None of the questions in the poll included that perception, as far as I could tell. This does not mean that the prophets lacked a clear perception of God, but explains why they had to keep telling the people, as in Isaiah, “My people has not understood.” The poets and histories demonstrate that. Whatever the prophets said, the people took time going from believing in God as greater among other gods to King of all the gods (Psalms) to the only God. The scriptures do not demonstrate that perception across all literary genre until Maccabees and Wisdom.

The prophets declared Him, the people only accepted a piece at a time, and the perception in which they wrote their histories and poetry affected what they wrote about Him. If we assume that they accurately understood what they wrote about, the body of scripture might create the appearance of God evolving – but that puts the consistency in the wrong place.

God is consistent, people are not. The scriptures show how He declared himself repeatedly, people repeatedly failed to understand, and only when His people understood that He was the one and only God was His people ready for His perfect revelation in Christ – and most of His covenant people did not understand.
Peter John, your comments are exceptional!

In one sense, you may be proven to be correct that God is, was, and always will be essentially the same. Perhaps God could be defined as all truly fundamental energy in the Universe^n, by which I mean the entire universe, visible as well as invisible.

If the supply of fundamental energy is finite, then in a sense God would stay at exactly that "size’ and magnitude for eternity in the future, but also would be of that size/magnitude for essentially eternity in the past.

My dilemma Peter John is this…I do believe that the near death experience accounts, the valid ones anyway that somebody did not make up to attempt to become wealthy or famous, fit astonishingly well with II Corinthians 12:2-4.

I also believe that Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua was correct that every word spoken by the Jewish prophets must be fulfilled, come to pass. Jeremiah certainly seems to be saying that in the latter days we would be able to understand God at a level never dreamed of at the time of Jeremiah!

Jeremiah 23:20: The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

Jeremiah 30:24 The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have done [it], and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
 
I also believe that Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua was correct that every word spoken by the Jewish prophets must be fulfilled, come to pass. Jeremiah certainly seems to be saying that in the latter days we would be able to understand God at a level never dreamed of at the time of Jeremiah!
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Thank you for your kind remarks.

In these latter days (or days of late as opposed to necessarily meaning end times, we do understand God on a greater level than any time ever. I could make a good argument that even if the Apostles thoroughly understaood God as revealed in Christ, they had as hard a time passing it on to the early Church as the Prophets had convincing Jews of the One God concept.
  1. When God revealed Himself in Christ He revealed Himself as the Trinity. Humans can comprehend one God only. Correctly embracing Trinity means embracing a concept beyond our understanding, but within the scope of mediation. He gave us His own internal dialogue with the concept of Trinity, and meditating on it can transform us to be better absornbed in communion with Him.
  2. Through science we have a much more profound understanding of what it means for God to be Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. How awesome God must be to have created everything that the Hubble telescopic has shown us – a Universe so big and majestic that it takes light billions of years to cross it! He did this all with Himself as his only resource – ex nihilo – out of nothing. Behind it all the Universe hums with one persistent ever present satic radio signal, left over from the event that sparked it all – a constant echo of “Let ther be light.”
  3. Through understanding our relationship with Him. In all this Universe we have no reason to believe that any other life exists anywhere with the potential to share in His Internal dialogue, to have Communion with Him. The circumstances that make our life possible on this planet only emphasize how precious that makes us, and in all of this no two of us are exactly alike.
 
Greetings Peter John: I truly appreciate your replies to this topic. I already read your first reply three times and I shall probably read and consider it again before fully replying to your assertions.

You may be right Peter John. Perhaps I am the type of heretic that cannot be drawn to true and full repentance. I remember the old saying that you can take the man out of the Worldwide Church of God, but you cannot take the W.W.C.G. out of the man!

On the other hand I am genuinely interested in conversion to Catholicism and I personally strongly suspect that just as five branches of String Theory were eventually incorporated into what appears to be a much more impressive M-Theory, so also perhaps the Catholic Church has a place for Judaizers such as myself…who at least are willing to do what they can to attempt to protect the unborn!?
I am a convert to Catholicism myself, and would have laughed in your face just four years ago had you told me I would be Catholic someday. My conversion was fairly instantaneous. Though little different from Episcopal mass, whic had always confused me, I found Catholic mass such a marvelous experience that I attended every day I could for months even though I could not take the Eucharist, just for the expereince.

It is not about understanding. It is about fully being, and being part of somethin so big it defies human comprehension.
 
I am a convert to Catholicism myself, and would have laughed in your face just four years ago had you told me I would be Catholic someday. My conversion was fairly instantaneous. Though little different from Episcopal mass, whic had always confused me, I found Catholic mass such a marvelous experience that I attended every day I could for months even though I could not take the Eucharist, just for the expereince.

It is not about understanding. It is about fully being, and being part of somethin so big it defies human comprehension.
Wow!

My problem is a little different Peter John, I think that perhaps I actually have came to a reasonable comprehension of basic Catholic Doctrine, having never really studied Catholic Doctrine until taking a Theology 130 Course at St. F. X. university. As I was taking the course I was talking to my buddy Terry, who also wanted to become Catholic but he ran into a real problem at that time with trans-substantiation. I basically had gotten my head around the idea from an experiment conducted by Hans Jenny, of Sweden.
 
As best as I can remember, one part of Hans Jenny’s experiment was to test the effect of various languages through the tonoscope. He found that Hebrew seemed to have a dramatic effect on the sand. It almost looked as if Hebrew formed the finely ground sand into little stars of David?!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Jenny_(cymatics
Jenny made use of crystal oscillators and an invention of his own by the name of the tonoscope to set plates and membranes vibrating. With the tonoscope, quartz sand is spread onto a black drum membrane which is 60 cm in diameter. The membrane is set into vibrations by singing rather loudly through a cardboard pipe. The sand now produces complex symmetrical forms, known as Chladni patterns named after Ernst Chladni who discovered this phenomenon in 1787. Low tones result in rather simple and clear pictures, while higher tones form more complex structures
This is highly relevant to the question of trans-substantiation because if Hebrew spoken by an ordinary person, could affect finely ground sand, then how more so would these words spoken by Mashiach the Passover Lamb affect the wine that he was speaking to??!

1Corinthians 11:25
After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.
Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
All of this depends on the reality that what we call matter, is actually energy, vibrating at a specific frequency! Matter, compacted energy, is profoundly affected by words!
 
The words of Islamic scholar and author Mr. Adnan Oktar to the Jewish Sanhedrin may relate perfectly to this topic. Theistic Evolutionary Theory of some type may be a major area for Jews, Catholics, evangelical Christians and Moslems to get together regarding.
  1. How do you describe the believers true struggle? against atheism, Darwinism, etc…
The whole world is literally under the control of a Darwinist, materialist dictatorship. Teachers at universities are unable to see that evolution is a lie and students cannot say a word of criticism of evolution in their exams, while conferences about Darwinism are even held in the Vatican. This is a clear sign of how grim the state of affairs is. Devout Jews, Muslims and Christians are oppressed everywhere in the world and unable to live according to their faiths, and in many places they are forbidden to remember Allah at all. And materialists and atheists are doing this together, they are in a total alliance against believers. Under these conditions, the alliance of true believers must also be a very powerful one. If we collaborate closely together then, insha’Allah, all of Asia, all the Middle East and the whole world will enter a perfect age of peace and ease. But of course Muslims and Jews, and also Christians, must ally themselves together. In fact, if the will exists the world can be made a perfect place in a week, a month, or at most a year. En excellent situation can be formed very quickly. But the whole problem lies in putting it into practice, practicalities, a climate of security, a climate of sincerity and fervent love. Let us tell young Israelis at universities of the existence and oneness of Allah. Let us describe the invalidity of Darwinism. Let us describe the invalidity of materialism. Let us tell young people in Palestine of the danger of atheism. Let us describe how Darwinism has collapsed and the true moral values of the Qur’an. We want young people in Israel to be more devout, to fear Allah more and be better natured. We want young Palestinians to be more devout, to love Allah more and to be more virtuous. We want Christians to be more devout. We can do excellent work together in that area. We can hold joint conferences and seminars and bring young people together. Let us bring devout people in Israel’s big cities together and have dialogue. Especially, let us totally eliminate materialism from Israel and Palestine. Let us strive to that end. Let us strive to make young people more respectful of the old and to live by traditional Jewish good manners and moral values. Let us hold meetings in Palestine. Let us have meetings with leading believers to make the two sides friends and brothers.
thesanhedrin.org/en/index.php?title=Hachrazah_5769_Tamuz_9
 
Did I mention in this thread that during his near death experience Mr. Mellen Benedict was shown an essentially infinite number of Big Bang like events?

This is exactly what is proposed in the theory entitled The Cyclic Model of the Universe.

Dr. Stephen Hawking also mentions a variation on this idea in chapter 13, The Anthropic Principle in his book Stephen Hawking’s Universe!
 
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