Theologian says ‘Amoris’ Communion debate is settled in Africa

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ROME - A gathering in Rome this week aims to bring the voices of Africa to the world, and even before it begins the main organizer is doing just that, saying Monday that the debate over Communion for divorced and civilly remarried Catholics unleashed by Amoris Laetitia is already settled in Africa - and that the answer is “no.”
“If you go to the ordinary parishes in most of Africa, you will find that people who are in the situation you’re talking about would not present themselves for Communion because they already accept that these are the rules,” said Father Paulinus Odozor, a Nigerian theologian who teaches at the University of Notre Dame.
“We settled that long ago,” he said, bluntly saying of divorced and civilly remarried Catholics potentially receiving Communion, “They can’t.”
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angell1 said:
good for them.

though to be honest, the main contenders of an extreme liberal interpretation never really came from any of the African nations.

you can’t receive communion in the state of mortal sin, there are some situations which may make the sin venial. AL has changed nothing
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Germany, Malta, and Argentina seem to be on a very different page from Africa.
 
JPUSC said:
Catholic morality can be determined by region now 😂
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I remember a whole furore with bishops saying things along the lines of: right and wrong don’t change from region to region at the time of the synod on the family. Recall Cardinal Kasper saying at an interview that African bishops shouldnt tell them what to do. Things have worked out excellently for Cardinal Kasper haven’t they? The Catholicish Anglican Church should be our new name, as Anglo-Catholics is already taken.😛 If only someone had told St. Thomas Moore 500 years ago, though, the good saint might have preserved his head.
 
Ginny89 said:
I remember a whole furore with bishops saying things along the lines of: right and wrong don’t change from region to region at the time of the synod on the family. Recall Cardinal Kasper saying at an interview that African bishops shouldnt tell them what to do. Things have worked out excellently for Cardinal Kasper haven’t they? The Catholicish Anglican Church should be our new name, as Anglo-Catholics is already taken.😛 If only someone had told St. Thomas Moore 500 years ago, though, the good saint might have preserved his head.
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But then he would not be a Saint. 🙂

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Not really a surprise, given that the largest Catholic Church in the world is no longer the Vatican, but the Cathedral in Ivory Coast.

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Ginny89 said:
I remember a whole furore with bishops saying things along the lines of: right and wrong don’t change from region to region at the time of the synod on the family. Recall Cardinal Kasper saying at an interview that African bishops shouldnt tell them what to do. Things have worked out excellently for Cardinal Kasper haven’t they? The Catholicish Anglican Church should be our new name, as Anglo-Catholics is already taken.😛 If only someone had told St. Thomas Moore 500 years ago, though, the good saint might have preserved his head.
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St. Thomas More was killed for his loyalty to the Pope. I wonder what his response to AL would be?
 
J_Peterson said:
St. Thomas More was killed for his loyalty to the Pope. I wonder what his response to AL would be?
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“I die the king’s faithful servant, but God’s first.” — St. Thomas More

Certainly, there was neither ambiguity nor confusion from the beloved, martyred saint’s statement. All popes, bishops and priests must proclaim the love, the mercy and the teachings of Christ with clarity, joy and conviction. False mercy harms the souls–not help them.
 
While many may find this news encouraging, I do not. It appears that fault lines are developing with respect to the interpretation of AL. This cannot be a good thing.

A clarification–indeed, a full explanation–is necessary.
 
Thomas_White said:
While many may find this news encouraging, I do not. It appears that fault lines are developing with respect to the interpretation of AL. This cannot be a good thing.

A clarification–indeed, a full explanation–is necessary.
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Thomas. I agree with you. These fault lines will only deepen and re-inforce divisions within Church. This must stop!!
 
J_Peterson said:
The problem that this simpleton sees is that some Catholics have a problem with the Vatican.
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And who are these people?

The ones who think the African Bishops have the correct interpretation, the ones who support the Maltese interpretation, or someone else? Obviously you have your own opinion of who is right - does that mean you see yourself as a problem, since the Vatican hasn’t shot down either position?

I don’t think someone asking for clarification is that onerous, given that one could be forbidden from receiving communion in Ghana, and simply mover to Malta to have their permission granted. The actual state of their marriage would never change.

Silly us, thinking Catholic actually meant Universal.
 
Wedge_Antilles said:
And who are these people?

The ones who think the African Bishops have the correct interpretation, the ones who support the Maltese interpretation, or someone else? Obviously you have your own opinion of who is right - does that mean you see yourself as a problem, since the Vatican hasn’t shot down either position?

I don’t think someone asking for clarification is that onerous, given that one could be forbidden from receiving communion in Ghana, and simply mover to Malta to have their permission granted. The actual state of their marriage would never change.

Silly us, thinking Catholic actually meant Universal.
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:clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
Wedge_Antilles said:
And who are these people?

The ones who think the African Bishops have the correct interpretation, the ones who support the Maltese interpretation, or someone else? Obviously you have your own opinion of who is right - does that mean you see yourself as a problem, since the Vatican hasn’t shot down either position?

I don’t think someone asking for clarification is that onerous, given that one could be forbidden from receiving communion in Ghana, and simply mover to Malta to have their permission granted. The actual state of their marriage would never change.

Silly us, thinking Catholic actually meant Universal.
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Off the top of my head go to the facebook page of Fr. Richard Heilman and read the comments. Sometimes the National Catholic Register is good for some borderline Sedevacantism. If Church Militant has a facebook page that would be a good place to look as well.

Personally, I stand with the Pope, my opinion is that he is correct. This debate about divorce/remarriage/receiving communion doesn’t affect me at all. If I was in that situation I would go and talk to my priest which is what Pope Francis would suggest. I would accept his answer. That’s my opinion.
 
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