There is no excuse for supporting this president

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As do I, which is why I said you were funny!😏
 
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Rhubarb said:
video from multiple sources, that often depicts the same event.
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So, lots of different videos of the same parts of the event. Not a helpful argument for you!
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Coupled with police reports and the police investigation
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Yes, comprehensive analysis of the police planning. Not sure how much attention the police would pay to the night before the fatal attack, nor whether their investigation would really cover whether there were people there who were not extremists.
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I should hope that the alleged ‘people there who weren’t neo-nazis’ wouldn’t be marching with a crowd shouting blood and soil and Jews will not replace us.
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We don’t actually know much about this at all. There may have been people who turned up who left when they realized extremists were there; there may have been people who were in another part of the park who did not realize what was happening.

ETA: ok, the park is only a bit over an acre large. Probably unlikely that people were unaware of the nature of the Unite the Right people.
 
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I just don’t necessarily subscribe to the idea that more gun regulations will reduce the death toll.
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I have, until this last incident, refrained from discussion of gun regulations.
But these last events showed something interesting: people armed with weapons that allow them to inflict dozens of casualties in half a minute.

Gun regulations will not stop shootings. It will not eliminate mass killings. But there is a decent chance that they would reduce this particular kind of mass carnage. Why is it that people seem to suggest that unless the solution is perfect, it is without any value at all?
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However, like we have seen with Obama’s IRS (targeting Tea Party members), Obama’s FBI, etc.
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Actually we haven’t seen that any more that we have see sex rings in Cosmic pizza.
Larry1700 said:
I don’t think there’s one, all-encompassing solution, but our country desperately needs a spiritual reawakening.
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I agree. But while waiting for that reawakening or some wonderful all encompassing solutions, I thin that partial solutions should be tried.
 
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dvdjs said:
Actually we haven’t seen that any more that we have see sex rings in Cosmic pizza.
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Just to be sure…
Is this a reference to the bogus claim about Hillary Clinton and sex trafficking in a pizza joint? I looked up “Cosmic Pizza,” but found nothing on the first two pages of hits.
 
Larry1700 said:
Just to be sure…
Is this a reference to the bogus claim about Hillary Clinton and sex trafficking in a pizza joint? I looked up “Cosmic Pizza,” but found nothing on the first two pages of hits.
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Sorry Comet not Cosmic.
 
Then there’s no comparison between Pizzagate and the proven scandals I cited.
 
Happened to run across this statement in a blog posting:

As an aside, I have personally interviewed several non-racists who attended the Charlottesville event, and I can confirm that the president was right. Many attendees were fooled by the generic promotional materials that didn’t reveal who organized it, unless you recognized the names of the speakers who are not household names. Some attendees didn’t care who organized it because they were free speech advocates, and absolutists. And the attendees I talked to disavowed all racism. None of them “marched with” the neo-Nazis with tiki torches. They showed up, police immediately herded them away from the trouble that had already started, and they went home when allowed by police. That’s it.

Not terrific evidence, but better than any we have so far.
 
dvdjs said:
What wrong doing was identified in the testimony? What was the legal outcome?
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As for the IRS harassing Tea Party groups: IRS vs. Tea Party Lawsuit Settlement

Regarding the FBI, various proofs are coming out little by little. For example, texts have been released between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, discussing their hatred of Trump, and their efforts to insure that he either wouldn’t get elected, or if he did, he would be hampered or impeached due to a phony scandal. FBI 302s were released this week, showing Bruce Ohr’s secretive involvement with disseminating the phony Russian dossier on Trump. Just two examples out of many.
 
Here is a good summary of facts in the IRS case:
In 2013, the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS) revealed that it had selected political groups applying for tax-exempt status for intensive scrutiny based on their names or political themes. This led to wide condemnation of the agency and triggered several investigations, including a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) criminal probe ordered by United States Attorney General Eric Holder.

Initial reports described the selections as nearly exclusively of conservative groups with terms such as “Tea Party” in their names. According to Republican lawmakers, liberal-leaning groups and the Occupy movement had also triggered additional scrutiny, but at a lower rate than conservative groups. The Republican majority on the House Oversight Committee issued a report, which concluded that although some liberal groups were selected for additional review, the scrutiny that these groups received did not amount to targeting when compared to the greater scrutiny received by conservative groups. The report was criticized by the committee’s Democratic minority, which said that the report ignored evidence that the IRS used keywords to identify both liberal and conservative groups.

In January 2014, James Comey, who at the time was the FBI director, told Fox News that its investigation had found no evidence so far warranting the filing of federal criminal charges in connection with the controversy, as it had not found any evidence of “enemy hunting”, and that the investigation continued. On October 23, 2015, the Justice Department declared that no criminal charges would be filed. On September 8, 2017, the Trump Justice Department declined to reopen the criminal investigation into Lois Lerner, a central figure in the controversy.[1]

In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department’s inspector general found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny.[2][3]
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In October 2017, the Trump Administration agreed to settle a lawsuit filed on behalf of more than four hundred conservative nonprofit groups who claimed that they had been discriminated against by the Internal Revenue Service for an undisclosed amount described by plaintiffs’ counsel as “very substantial.” The Trump Administration also agreed to settle a second lawsuit brought by forty-one conservative organizations with an apology and an admission that subjecting them to “heightened scrutiny and inordinate delays” was wrongful. [4][5]
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Short form:
There was an effort to be sure that politically-oriented entities were not flouting the law.
There were no criminal charges. The Trump administration declined to pursue criminal action. The Trump administration chose to settle civil actions.

In the FBI matters that you raise there also are no criminal charges. There are civil actions pending against the Trump administration. We’ll see if they settle.
 
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The October 2017 settlement cited in the Wikipedia article you referenced is the very case mentioned in the NYT article I linked to. The Tea Party group won that case.

The attempted coup by Obama’s FBI is currently being uncovered. Look up the texts, etc. I mentioned.
 
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Why do you suggest that the Tea Party won the case? T=here were two suites, one with 428 clients and a multi-million dollar settlement and no apology or admission of guilt.
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As stated in the NYT article:
“The government agreed to a multimillion-dollar settlement to resolve one lawsuit, which was brought on behalf of 428 groups, said Edward Greim, the lead lawyer for the plaintiffs. The government will not pay damages to the 41 groups in the second lawsuit, but the I.R.S. acknowledged its conduct was wrong.”
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'Nuff said. Thank for the calibration.
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I’m not quite sure what you mean here, but I guess “You’re welcome” is the appropriate response.

I can’t continue in this or other threads for a while. Too much to do. Have a good day.
 
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