There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

[Mannyfit75]

Oh…I believe the book of Galatians is about the biblical doctrine of justification which was the essential issue of the Reformation. Don’t get side tracked with sola scriptura and the authority issue. If you continue to have faith that whatever the Catholic Church tells you to believe, you will not necesarily see the truth of the Scriptures. Please re-read the book of Galatians and focus on the gospel of God’s grace and the heart of the gospel (justification)

Like I said I have read Galatians for over 4-6 yrs. The issue of justification as interpreted by the Fathers of the Reformers made a false interpretation of the passage. Galatians reveal much deeper. It does say that God’s grace justify us but it does not professes that “FAITH ALONE” saves us.

You also failed to consider the Epistle of James Chapter 2 verse 19 and following:

**19] You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe – and shudder.
[20] Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren?
[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
[22] You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works,
[23] and the scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness”; and he was called the friend of God.
[24] You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
[25] And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
[26] For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead. **

Quick summary: It is not faith or works, or works alone. The two cannot be separated. You take the two apart from the equations, faith and works are dead.

I can also conclude that on Judgement Day, we are not judge by our faith. We are just by our deeds. It is good that you have faith. By how can you show you have faith? By just reading the Bible and praying on your own? Surely, if a Christian show charity out of the love of his neighbor, God will his see his faith in action by his deeds.

 

[mikeledes]

It’s not a bizarre statement, Pax. It’s Biblically accurate. The gospel the Apostles were commission to take to the Jew first and also to the Greek centered on the cross of Christ. There could be no gospel (good news) of salvation without that historical event first occurring.

Jesus was born king of the Jews (Matt. 2:2). Their long expected Messiah, the Son of David, who would usher in the promised Davidic kingdom. National unbelief, however, prevented that from happening and through that rejection their King was delivered over to the Gentiles for crucifixion.

But by the sovereignty of God His crucifixion became the method of salvation by which God would redeem sinful mankind, both Jews and Gentiles as well (the world).

Are you saying that God’s original plan was that Jesus come to earth and reign as King of Israel and that the Jew’s rejection prevented that plan from being fulfilled? So the crucifixion was not Plan A, but Plan B? So the Sacrifice of the Cross occurred by default? If the Israelites had accepted Christ as King in faith, there wouldn’t have been a crucifixion?

Jesus, during His earthly ministry, did not preach the gospel of salvation, the gospel of the grace of God, which doctrines center on the sacrificial death and bodily resurrection of Israel’s rejected Messiah, but He went about preaching the “gospel of the kingdom.” The kingdom He was born to reign over but was postponed because of His rejection:Matt 4:23 “Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.”

Matt 9:35 "Jesus was going through all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness."During this church age it is the “gospel of God’s grace,” the “gospel of salvation” through the cross of Christ that is being preached, and when believed the believer is appropriated, in full, the work Christ "finished’ there on the cross: redemption, the forgiveness of sins, and reconciliation to God.

This distinction you make between the gospel of the kingdom and the gospel of salvation is conpletely artifiial. There is only one
gospel and this gospelis referred to as the gospel of God, the gospel of peace, the gospel of Christ, the gospel of the kingdom, etc. The gospel Jesus preached was the gospel of salvation.

Regarding John, Zechariah under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit stated:

**For you will go on BEFORE THE LORD TO PREPARE HIS WAYS;
77To give to His people the knowledge of salvation
By the forgiveness of their sins, **

Matthew 3:1-2

**1Now in those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying,
2"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." **
In other words, John preached the message of salvation. And what is this message called later on in Luke?

Luke 3:16-18

16John answered and said to them all, “As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
17"His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor, and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
18So with many other exhortations he preached the gospel to the people.

John preached the gospel and as Luke 1:76-77 and 3:16-17 clearly indicates that the gospel that he preached was the gospel of salvation. Are you saying that John preached the salvation, but Jesus did not? Like John, Jesus preached the gospel of salvation:

Matthew 4:17

**17From that time Jesus began to preach and say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” **

Matthew 4:23

**23Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, and (healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people. **

This “gospel of the kingdom”, MD, is also referred to as the gospel of God:

Mark 1:14-15

14Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
15and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."

The gospel of the kingdom, MD, is referring to the kingdom of God, not a millenial earthly kingdom.

Luke 13:28-29

**28"In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
29"And they will come from east and west and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God. **

And the gospel of the kingdom is a gospel of repentance, faith, and forgiveness of sins. In other words, it is the gospel of salvation.

God Bless,
Michael

 

[mikeledes]

Where in Scripture does it say that you need to believe in TULIP to be saved? Please consider post 986 since it is related to the thread topic.

What do you define as essential? So you believe that the Arminian concept of faith is not human effort?

God Bless,
Michael

 

[Philthy]

Reformed:

Oh…I believe the book of Galatians is about the biblical doctrine of justification which was the essential issue of the Reformation. Don’t get side tracked with sola scriptura and the authority issue. If you continue to have faith that whatever the Catholic Church tells you to believe, you will not necesarily see the truth of the Scriptures. Please re-read the book of Galatians and focus on the gospel of God’s grace and the heart of the gospel (justification).

**Gal1:6 **I am amazed that you are so quickly forsaking the one who called you by (the) grace (of Christ) for a different gospel

**Gal 3:16 **a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ,

Gal 3:3-4 I want to learn only this from you: did you receive the Spirit from works of the law, or from faith in what you heard? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh?

Gal 3:26 For through faith you are all children of God 17 in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Gal 5:4 You are separated from Christ, you who are trying to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

Gal 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, 15 drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

**Gal 6:7-8 **Make no mistake: God is not mocked, for a person will reap only what he sows, because the one who sows for his flesh will reap corruption from the flesh, but the one who sows for the spirit will reap eternal life from the spirit.

Here’s a summary of the gospel from Galatians. Is it any different than yours?

• We are justified by faith, not by the law
• Through faith, which includes baptism, we become children of God and heirs to his Kingdom
• We can separate ourselves from justification, “fall from grace”, through enslavement to the flesh
• We are to live in the Spirit (grace) and thereby crucify the flesh. If we live by the flesh, forsaking the Spirit, we will not inherit the kingdom of God

 

[mikeledes]

For those who reject the solas as biblical truth, please read the entire book of Galatians in context and get back to me on these essential issues. Someone asked for proof, and I have submitted the book of Galatians to you as Scriptural proof. I believe the books of Galatians and Romans are the two books that gave light to Luther. Thanks!

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From darkness to light!

I’ve read Galatians numerous times. Galatians also says the following:

Galatians 6:7-9

7Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.
8For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
9Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary.

God Bless,
Michael

 

[headin_home]

**Gal1:6 **I am amazed that you are so quickly forsaking the one who called you by (the) grace (of Christ) for a different gospel

**Gal 3:16 **a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ,

Gal 3:3-4 I want to learn only this from you: did you receive the Spirit from works of the law, or from faith in what you heard? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh?

Gal 3:26 For through faith you are all children of God 17 in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Gal 5:4 You are separated from Christ, you who are trying to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

Gal 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, 15 drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

**Gal 6:7-8 **Make no mistake: God is not mocked, for a person will reap only what he sows, because the one who sows for his flesh will reap corruption from the flesh, but the one who sows for the spirit will reap eternal life from the spirit.

Here’s a summary of the gospel from Galatians. Is it any different than yours?

• We are justified by faith, not by the law
• Through faith, which includes baptism, we become children of God and heirs to his Kingdom
• We can separate ourselves from justification, “fall from grace”, through enslavement to the flesh
• We are to live in the Spirit (grace) and thereby crucify the flesh. If we live by the flesh, forsaking the Spirit, we will not inherit the kingdom of God

VERY WELL PUT
Whoever loves JESUS will have no problem with this passage of scripture and the summary.
THE KINGDOM OF GOD is well worth doing whatever it takes to get there,

If a christian does not want to heed this warning,
a good question they might want to ask themself might be:

IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD WORTH —TRYING—
TO WALK IN THE SPIRIT AND—NOT IN THE FLESH?

 

[mikeledes]

It seems that this thread is about to close. lol

God bless,
Michael

 

[cazayoux]

It seems that this thread is about to close. lol

God bless,
Michael

Yep … we hit the 1000-post mark … so … if we need to restart a part of a discussion it should be through a new thread, i guess. Salut! It’s been fun.

A special thanks to Reformed and moondweller for the conversation.

michel

 

[po18guy]

I’ve read Galatians numerous times. Galatians also says the following:

Galatians 6:7-9

7Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.
8For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
9Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary.

God Bless,
Michael

I note that Reformed’s bible seems only to have two books in it. Divorcing those books from the entirety of scripture (never mind sacred tradition!) is the very hallmark of sola scriptura, and leads to the same errors.

It is cherry picking on a larger scale. It is evidence of the founding of the “church of Paul” - even though Paul condemned such beliefs and actions in the very introduction of 1 Corinthians!

May the Holy Spirit illumine his heart.

 

[po18guy]

For those who reject the solas as biblical truth, please read the entire book of Galatians in context and get back to me on these essential issues. Someone asked for proof, and I have submitted the book of Galatians to you as Scriptural proof. I believe the books of Galatians and Romans are the two books that gave light to Luther. Thanks!

They very likely did lead him, being separated from the entirety of scripture and tradition. They appealed to his ego, to his departure from the Traditions of Paul. Please explain how Luther denied himself and took up his cross in molding a church to his own preferences.

The Holy Spirit unites. The demon divides.

 

[Mannyfit75]

We reach over 1,000 post.

 

[M0nkey]

For those who reject the solas as biblical truth, please read the entire book of Galatians in context and get back to me on these essential issues. Someone asked for proof, and I have submitted the book of Galatians to you as Scriptural proof. I believe the books of Galatians and Romans are the two books that gave light to Luther.

And therefore, there lies the problem with your theology (I mean that in brotherly love).

The book of Galatians and of Romans is NOT the centerpiece of the whole of Scripture. Jesus is. What the O.T. does is look forward to the proclamation of the Lord. What the N.T. does is look back at what just happened as the Lord revealed himself through the tree of the cross.

I commend you brother, to read closely in THE LORD Gospels. Read it. Love it. Digest it. Think of every word that THE LORD says. Think of every movement. Every action. Finally, meditate on the cross.

I pray that you may one day see the truth, in Christ Jesus…

 

[moondweller]

Are you saying that God’s original plan was that Jesus come to earth and reign as King of Israel and that the Jew’s rejection prevented that plan from being fulfilled? So the crucifixion was not Plan A, but Plan B? So the Sacrifice of the Cross occurred by default? If the Israelites had accepted Christ as King in faith, there wouldn’t have been a crucifixion?

There is no “default” or “plan B” in the sovereignty of God. Redemption itself is not a “plan B” in the sovereign works of God in/through His creation. :clapping:

 

[Mannyfit75]

There is no “default” or “plan B” in the sovereignty of God. Redemption itself is not a “plan B” in the sovereign works of God in/through His creation. :clapping:

Well, Salvation was bound to happen because God promised the Jews a Messiah who would save them all from their sins. Redemption is God’s plan to save us. He does not want a sinner to die in his sin.

 

[Michael_Francis]

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