There's a movement to undermine Catholic morality

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this article is a tad late in noticing, don’t you think?
 
By the end of the new year l predict we will have a number of bishops, cardinals, and other prominent Church figures making statements about ABC and how its use is not always wrong and that its use can be discerned and can be used to avoid pregnancy in certain situations.

In an unrelated note, it’s looking like 2018 will also be the beginning of the end of the discipline of priestly celibacy with the next synod coming up.
 
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Not to be “that person”, but hasn’t this been going on since the Garden of Eden?

And anybody who has lived in this culture as a grownup…there is nothing new here.

Yes, this is a cause for concern.
But there is nothing new or different going on here.
 
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tseleehw said:
By the end of the new year l predict we will have a number of bishops, cardinals, and other prominent Church figures making statements about ABC and how its use is not always wrong and that its use can be discerned and can be used to avoid pregnancy in certain situations.
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I hope not. That would be like a repeat of the Church of England in 1930. Before that, all of Christianity had the same doctrine as the Catholic Church with respect to contraception.
 
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tseleehw:
By the end of the new year l predict we will have a number of bishops, cardinals, and other prominent Church figures making statements about ABC and how its use is not always wrong and that its use can be discerned and can be used to avoid pregnancy in certain situations.
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I hope not. That would be like a repeat of the Church of England in 1930. Before that, all of Christianity had the same doctrine as the Catholic Church with respect to contraception.
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You’re right, and I hope not also, but that’s the way the wind seems to be blowing these days unfortunately. To clarify, I’m not suggesting that the Church will change its teaching, but rather that there are certain individuals out there in the Church that don’t really believe in the teaching on ABC and will take this opportunity to speak out against it. They know that they will likely not face any consequences from the Vatican and will seek to undermine the teaching in HV by suggesting that use of ABC is not “black and white” but more “grey”, similar to what has been going on with divorce and remarriage since AL came into being. The Church’s teachings won’t change, officially, but the damage will be done all the same.
 
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I’ve not read the Greatest Thing since Sliced Bread yet…

Maybe I should skip on this for now since naughty people are conspiring to make us look like Pleasantville?
 
tseleehw said:
By the end of the new year l predict we will have a number of bishops, cardinals, and other prominent Church figures making statements about ABC and how its use is not always wrong and that its use can be discerned and can be used to avoid pregnancy in certain situations.
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It’s reported and believed by some that Pope Francis said pretty much exactly this in connection with the Zika virus.
 
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tseleehw:
By the end of the new year l predict we will have a number of bishops, cardinals, and other prominent Church figures making statements about ABC and how its use is not always wrong and that its use can be discerned and can be used to avoid pregnancy in certain situations.
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It’s reported and believed by some that Pope Francis said pretty much exactly this in connection with the Zika virus.
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Yes, I remember these comments by him. This has opened the door to others to make their own statements on this topic and carve out other situations where they believe use of ABC is acceptable.
 
The implications of AL - as some read them to be, and as the Pope’s silence also suggests - certainly would facilitate undermining what is taught about contraception and a great many other matters.
 
These are things that are part of the sensus fidelium. Attention to the sensus fidelium is a criterion for Catholic theology.
But from a pastoral point of view, he said the “urgency of the issue” of contraception “seems gradually to be diminishing.”

“While in the 50s and 60s was an urgent for believers, now the great majority of even believing married couples live as though the norm doesn’t exist,” he said.

“Officially and objectively the norm has remained,” but “even many pastors” don’t talk about it, he said. “In public, in catechesis, and in preaching, they prefer not to talk about it” while “in personal encounters they maintain a very indulgent attitude when the issue is raised.”

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Significantly, Fr. Chiodi said the reflection he had offered in his lecture “seems to authorize us to rethink the meaning of the moral norm of Humanae Vitae, so that we don’t concentrate on [it] as an objective truth that stands before reason, in this case, of the believing spouses.”

“My thought is to take up the anthropological meaning of the norm of Humanae Vitae,” Chiodi said. Therefore, he stressed, “it’s not a matter of abolishing the norm, but of demonstrating its meaning and truth."
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Some other points that resonated with me. Regarding which, I remember that this was the manner in which I was taught to think by my Catholic education. The pastor of which parish is still there after 35 years, although in retirement status.
He said the vocation inscribed in generation is to “recognize that generating is not creating” but involves “responding to a gift and recognizing with gratitude the call to welcome the presence of another.”

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Through His Paschal Mystery, Fr. Chiodi said, “Jesus … opens to the believer the possibility of acting responsibly, that is, a way of acting that responds to grace, passing through the travails of history and of evil.”

“Within this perspective,” Chiodi argued, “moral norms are not reducible to rational objectivity but belong to human life understood as a story of salvation and grace. The norms conserve the good and instruct in the way of good. But they are historical.”
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This was a great article (New Academy for Life member uses Amoris to say some circumstances ‘require’.…)which made my day.
 
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New Academy for Life member uses Amoris to say some circumstances ‘require’ contraception | News | LifeSite
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Well that didn’t take long. Following this logic, maybe just aborting the child could be considered an “act of responsibility.”

What is clear in recent years is that there are many heretics within the Church hierarchy - and that the Pontifical Academy for Life can no longer be trusted as a source of orthodox teaching on matters of faith and morals concerning family and life issues.
 
From the Catholic Herald article linked above:

“Last year the National Catholic Register’s Edward Pentin quoted a “well-respected Church figure” as telling him during the 2014 family synod: “Of course, you realise this is all about Humanae Vitae. That’s what I think they’re after. That is their goal.”

Pentin says the current mood in Rome suggests his source knew what she was talking about. I have to agree with him: the efforts to “interpret” Amoris Laetitia and the Church’s teaching on the indissolubility of marriage will prove to have been a mere dress rehearsal for an all-out assault upon Pope Paul’s great encyclical.”

Of course, it was the widespread abandonment of Christianity’s historic doctrine against contraception which enabled the sexual revolution and the social ills that followed.
 
Humanae Vitae was abandoned before it was written. This may be the greatest accomplishment in Satan’s reign as foretold and countered by The Prayer to Saint Michael.
The sexual revolution is the establishment of the temple of Eros where the church once stood. Use of contraception is a result of this improper understanding of human sexuality, a symptom of Leninist and eugenicist cultures and not the disease, per se. The death culture is equipped, fully aided and abetted by artificial birth control.
The sanctity of marriage is truncated, cut off from the source of life, itself, cut off from God’s truth in this way. As Pope Paul teaches this leads to the slippery slope which now includes same sex pairs as equivalent to God’s plan for life, itself, as if this matter of human sexuality were inconsequential or not normative to the Sacrament of Marriage from the beginning.
I do not argue with your purpose but wish to inject the priority. Human dignity is first. From this flows understanding of purpose ordained by God, the nature of sexuality in relation to the source of all life.
How horrific that persons who feel abandoned and outcast are guided by whore mongers and hate to vilify faith and deny that reason guides obedience to our loving God. Monsters with an agenda using persons on the fringe of society to accomplish unsavory tasks, a trademark of socialism in the last century.
What of these children raised as tokens by persons with a political ideal and agenda rather than obedience to Christ and a vocation to sacrifice for the reality of family? People are pliable and children can often see truth where jaded adults see with that beam in the eye, jealousy, lust and wrath. This grounding in sin and hatred even with wealth and technology poured out can not be fully hidden. How do we respond respectfully and see Christ when righteous anger burns with stinging pain?
Pray always, what else can save us from the final battle concerning family?
 
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