There's war coming

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That’s better. At least you’ve actually quoted me.

Stealing the wages of workers is considered a great moral evil by God. Purposeful inflation does steal the wages of workers by devaluing their wages and savings, so that the dollar they make and save now is worth less in the future, sometimes significantly so.

It has nothing to do with libertarianism, as deliberate inflation has always been seen as a great evil, even in times when the currency was hard metal and the inflation was caused by cutting the silver with tin. It robbed the workers and traders of their wealth, so as to enrich the government and allow for spending outside their means. It still does so.

Now, one could possibly make the argument that said inflation is not a specific policy and just an unfortunate natural result of our system of government and by fiat currency, and that would be a legitimate argument to make. The argument that “Caesar has the right to devalue your currency.” is not legitimate.
 
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Stealing the wages of workers is considered a great moral evil by God.
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And you can certainly point out where taxation, spending and inflation are stealing, and then we can talk about how you come to the conclusion that it is a great moral evil.
 
Uh. Communism is bad. War may be on the horizon. There are a lot of places it could come from. This is a crazy time we live in.

On topic?
 
Over-taxation is theft. This is self-evident. The government had the right to take money through force in order to secure those things which governments are by duty bound to secure. If they tax more than is needed, then they begin to move into the realm of theft. Just as it would be theft if I were a mechanic and I lied to my customers about the cost of their repairs.

Debt spending can become a form of generational theft. It passes the responsibility of covering the debt on to the next generation, thus robbing them of their free right to spend their money on what they need and desire. It forces them to make a choice of either bearing the burden of our goods and services, or to suffer the (potentially disastrous) consequences of defaulting on said debt.

Inflation is a form of theft in the way I have already explained.
 
No, I don’t agree that over-taxation is theft. In the US, as with most, if not all developed nations, elected representatives decide the levels and types of taxation. Providing said taxes do not violate said nation’s constitution, that is the will of the people.

And that really gets to the root of the problem, and that is even simpy defining “over-taxation”. What you may feel is “over-taxation” I might feel as reasonable, or possibly even too little taxation. You are once again confusing a political point of view with a theological one. There is nothing in the Bible that really speaks to the concept of “over-taxation”. The best you get is Jesus’s admonition to render Caesar’s things unto Caesar, and in that case, you were dealing taxation levied with little or no consultation of the people paying taxes. So if you are instructed in the Bible to pay your taxes EVEN UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, it’s ludicrous to claim that taxes levied by legislative assembly elected by the very people being taxes is any moral evil, great or small.

The ultimate problem here is that you are using a definition of “theft” that I simply do not agree with. Taxation is been a fact of life since the dawn of civilization, and yes, sometimes it has been levied most unfairly. But you’ll note the American Revolutionaries’ solution wasn’t “No taxes!”, they’re battle cry was “No taxation without representation!”

Your remedy, should you feel your elected representatives are taxing you unfairly, or borrowing too much money that you feel will burden your children, is to elect representatives that share your view. But in a democracy, where the will of the people is expressed either directly or through their elected representatives, the concept of “taxation as theft” is simply absurd.

And it still has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.
 
Once again you find yourself incapable of arguing with what I actually said. I never said there should be no taxes, or that legitimate taxation is ‘legal theft’ or anything of the sort. I said that over-taxation is theft. Over-taxation would be demanding more money than is needed to secure those things which a government is bound to secure.

Caesar was not a morally righteous agent, and yet we were commanded to submit to him. The Pharisees were not morally righteous agents, and yet the Jews were commanded to submit to them. The commandment to submit in humility to evil people is not an endorsement of their evil.

But you will, of course, find it impossible to refrain from lying. So this discussion really is pointless, isn’t it? I like a good bit of hyperbole myself, and enjoy a particularly well-placed strawman, and won’t howl too loudly if those are used against me; but when someone uses the scattershot, spray-and-pray method like you are, it grows boring. The subtle art of fencing is reduced to ham-fisted, wild swings.
 
So you have no problem praying for war, just to prove how “right” you are about Trump, honestly, there are no words to describe what I think about you in this moment.
 
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And you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled. For these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
 
If there’s a war with Russia it will be over in half an hour.

That people think this sort of saber-rattling is worth the risk of literally blowing up our entire civilization is insane.
 
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I would rather have the world accept redemption and turn toward God. Barring that, I would rather have a punishment that turns us toward God. War is a punishment. I would least like to see a ‘peaceful’ slide into total Godlessness and degeneracy. Better that the world should burn and all men die than for that to happen.
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Better that the world should burn? This is what war is: death, destruction, millions maimed and damaged, millions starving and dying of disease, millions displaced and living in refugee camps, hatred, desperation, fear, misery, despair.

The world has seen this before. Did the near-total war in Europe turn men towards God? Did the frozen dead at Stalingrad turn towards God? Did those left alive, sick, starving, in despair, turn to God? Did the thousands gasping for air as they burned in Dresden turn to God? Did those dying of radiation sickness in Hiroshima turn to God?

Good Lord, this is sick.
 
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Really??? Well, I guess praying for war is more common place than I thought.
 
Men are still arrogant. They think as bad as it was is as bad as it gets. They think because they survived before that it was by their own power and so survival is guaranteed. Eventually, they will learn, or they will be ground into dust. Better here in this life than in the next.

You think the horror means that it can’t be Godly. Read the Old Testament again. Israel had her babes dashed on the stones in front of their mother’s faces. Sin breeds death and horror. But you know what would be worse than all that horror?

If men could sin and the world just kept on going like nothing ever happened.
 
At issue here is the subjective nature of claiming that inflation and overspending are theft. What constitutes “overtaxation” is complex, but to try to assert that God doesn’t like too much inflation or too many taxes is utterly absurd.
 
Your downplaying Communism sort of reminds me of those books uh, uh where Satan convinces people he’s not real and not really the father of lies… Screwtape tales???
 
Well, of course, but pushing the Soviets back into Russia would have saved central Europe the brutality of soviet socialism it endured until the early 1990’s.
 
There wouldn’t have been much of an Eastern Europe left at the end of it.
 
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