These are the Jews you follow for your Canon?

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                 Originally Posted by **Jackbehumble**                     [forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif](http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=2681813#post2681813)                 
             *Zahava,you seem to be very gifted in Knowledge of Scripture.How wonderfull,as for myself,I don't believe I could possibly offer to anything to you regarding Old Testament,but maybe I can have you interpret Genisis 1-26..".Let us make." I need some help on this.......thank you, Jack*
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Zahava said:
RASHI knows more than I do…

chabad.org/library/article.htm/aid/8165/showrashi/true/jewish/Chapter-1.html
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Let us make man From here we learn the humility of the Holy One, blessed be He. Since man was created in the likeness of the angels, and they would envy him, He consulted them. … [from *Tanchuma, Shemoth
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18; Gen. Rabbah 8:11, 14:13]I wasn’t aware that Man was made in the image of angels…

On a side note, I’m a little saddened that in one post you commend me for my charity, and in the next post you show that you consider me a heretic since I believe in the Triune God.
 
THE COUNCIL OF JAMNIA AND THE
OLD TESTAMENT CANON
Robert C. Newman
Biblical Theological Seminary
Hatfield, Pennsylvania
Copyright ©1983 by Robert C. Newman. All rights reserved.

ABSTRACT

A basic feature of most liberal theories of the Old Testament canon is an alleged council held at Jamnia about AD 90 which is supposed to have canonized or at least finalized the Writings or Hagiographa, the third division of the Hebrew Old Testament. In this paper–a reprint of the article appearing in the Westminster Theological Journal 38 (Spring, 1976)–the Talmudic evidence for such a council is surveyed. It is concluded that there is no real evidence for such a council nor for any binding canonical decisions at that time. Instead there appears to have existed a consensus on the content of the Old Testament in the first century AD which was already ancient at that time…

ibri.org/DVD-1/RRs/RR013/13jamnia.html
 
Daniel_Marsh said:
THE COUNCIL OF JAMNIA AND THE
OLD TESTAMENT CANON
Robert C. Newman
Biblical Theological Seminary
Hatfield, Pennsylvania
Copyright ©1983 by Robert C. Newman. All rights reserved.

ABSTRACT

A basic feature of most liberal theories of the Old Testament canon is an alleged council held at Jamnia about AD 90 which is supposed to have canonized or at least finalized the Writings or Hagiographa, the third division of the Hebrew Old Testament. In this paper–a reprint of the article appearing in the Westminster Theological Journal 38 (Spring, 1976)–the Talmudic evidence for such a council is surveyed. It is concluded that there is no real evidence for such a council nor for any binding canonical decisions at that time. Instead there appears to have existed a consensus on the content of the Old Testament in the first century AD which was already ancient at that time…

ibri.org/DVD-1/RRs/RR013/13jamnia.html
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Actually, there is evidence of a Council of Jamnia, but the goal of the council was to re-translate the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek (sort of the Septuagint, Part Two). It seems the Jews did not like the Christian “manipulations” of the Messianic prophecies of the Septuagint translation. So they began to make a new translation of Greek without all the obvious prophecies that pointed Jews toward Christ. The Jewish Canon lay unresolved until the 14th century.
 
NotWorthy said:
I wasn’t aware that Man was made in the image of angels…

On a side note, I’m a little saddened that in one post you commend me for my charity, and in the next post you show that you consider me a heretic since I believe in the Triune God.
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Blame it on me.I’m sorry 'bout the drift.I did’nt know You apparantly are referring to The Trinity…I don’t know certain things about the Jewish Faith and sorry if I offended you.I’ll have to learn of you and about you to understand…once again…Jack
 
Jackbehumble said:
Blame it on me.I’m sorry 'bout the drift.I did’nt know You apparantly are referring to The Trinity…I don’t know certain things about the Jewish Faith and sorry if I offended you.I’ll have to learn of you and about you to understand…once again…Jack
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What are you talking about? I was chiding Zahava, not you?

BTW, what did you do to offend me?!?! Time to 'fess up, Jack, boy!!! :hmmm:

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Ah, I see. I quoted you and Zahava on the same post. No, if you look at Zahava’s link, you’ll see that dear Rashi considers all Trinitist heretics. Since Zahava makes it clear that Rashi knows so much and uses Rashi to prove the point, I assumed that Zahava must consider me a heretic as well.

I don’t much care for being called a heretic. 😦
 
NotWorthy said:
I wasn’t aware that Man was made in the image of angels…

On a side note, I’m a little saddened that in one post you commend me for my charity, and in the next post you show that you consider me a heretic since I believe in the Triune God.
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NotWorthy, being that you did not quote all from the source, I have done so below.

**Let us make man **
From here we learn the humility of the Holy One, blessed be He. Since man was created in the likeness of the angels, and they would envy him, He consulted them. And when He judges kings, He consults with His Heavenly household, for so we find regarding Ahab, that Micah said to him, (I Kings 22:19): “I saw the Lord seated on His throne, and all the host of heaven were standing by Him, on His right and on His left.” Now do “left” or “right” apply to Him ?! But rather, [the passage means that] these [angels] were standing on the right to defend, and these [angels] were standing on the left to prosecute. Likewise, (Dan. 4:14): “By the decree of the destructive angels is the matter, and by the word of the holy ones is the edict.” Here too, He took counsel with His heavenly household. He said to them, “Among the heavenly beings, there are some in My likeness. If there are none in My likeness among the earthly beings, there will be envy among the creatures of the Creation. ” - [from Tanchuma, Shemoth 18; Gen. Rabbah 8:11, 14:13]

**Let us make man **
Even though they [the angels] did not assist Him in His creation, and there is an opportunity for the heretics to rebel (to misconstrue the plural as a basis for their heresies), Scripture did not hesitate to teach proper conduct and the trait of humility, that a great person should consult with and receive permission from a smaller one. Had it been written: “I shall make man,” we would not have learned that He was speaking with His tribunal, but to Himself. **And the refutation to the heretics is written alongside it “And God created (וַיִּבְרָא) ,” and it does not say,“and they created וַיִּבְרְאוּ.” - [from Gen. Rabbah 8:9]

nu? what’s the problem? what has the above “got” to do with the Trinity?**
 
NotWorthy said:
What are you talking about? I was chiding Zahava, not you?

BTW, what did you do to offend me?!?! Time to 'fess up, Jack, boy!!! :hmmm:

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Ah, I see. I quoted you and Zahava on the same post. No, if you look at Zahava’s link, you’ll see that dear Rashi considers all Trinitist heretics. Since Zahava makes it clear that Rashi knows so much and uses Rashi to prove the point, I assumed that Zahava must consider me a heretic as well.

I don’t much care for being called a heretic. 😦
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Well here I go again.....I did'nt offend anyone,at least intentionly .....I never chated before.....I take that back........I mean only on games.......ie cards,chess....etc.
 
Zahava said:
NotWorthy, being that you did not quote all from the source, I have done so below.
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And I reiterate, “I was not aware that man was made in the image of angels”.

Do I need to quote the rest? It’s certainly no more proof to me than I would expect by quoting New Testament writings to you.

I would assume the heretics are Trinitarians (like myself) when reading this following passage:
And the refutation to the heretics is written alongside it “And God created (וַיִּבְרָא) ,” and it does not say,“and they created וַיִּבְרְאוּ.” - [from Gen. Rabbah 8:9]
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Jackbehumble said:
Well here I go again…I did’nt offend anyone,at least intentionly …I never chated before…I take that back…I mean only on games…ie cards,chess…etc.
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Ah, confession Jack, it’s good for the soul… And, of course, food for the gossipers!!! 😉
 
NotWorthy said:
And I reiterate, “I was not aware that man was made in the image of angels”.

Do I need to quote the rest? It’s certainly no more proof to me than I would expect by quoting New Testament writings to you.

I would assume the heretics are Trinitarians (like myself) when reading this following passage:
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read the bottom of my last post to you. I said

what has the above “got” to do with the trinity? what’s to compare?
 
Zahava said:
read the bottom of my last post to you. I said

what has the above “got” to do with the trinity? what’s to compare?
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This quote, in regards to “Let Us make man in Our image”.
Even though they [the angels] did not assist Him in His creation, and there is an opportunity for the heretics to rebel (to misconstrue the plural as a basis for their heresies),
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Since I know of no heresies that claim the angels assisted God in creating the world, it’s easy to assume that the heretics this good Rabbi is refuting are those that claim the Triune God is the Creator of all things. For Trinitarians mistakenly use the phrase “Let us make man in our image” to support the Trinity.
 
NotWorthy said:
This quote, in regards to “Let Us make man in Our image”.
Since I know of no heresies that claim the angels assisted God in creating the world, it’s easy to assume that the heretics this good Rabbi is refuting are those that claim the Triune God is the Creator of all things. For Trinitarians mistakenly use the phrase “Let us make man in our image” to support the Trinity.
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aaah, I see now…

🤷 who am I to dispute what RASHI says? 🤷
 
Zahava said:
jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/rashi.html

I refuse to answer your question on the grounds that it might incriminate me 😉
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OK, I hate to be a nit-picker, but this statement sounds a little strange. If it was authored by Rashi, I would suspect him of Self-aggrandizement.
Rashi was the outstanding Biblical commentator of the Middle Ages. He was born in Troyes, France, and lived from 1040 to 1105, surviving the massacres of the First Crusade through Europe. He was a fantastic scholar and studied with the greatest student of Rabbenu Gershom of Mainz
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If the Jewish massacres of the first Crusade took place in Jerusalem, why does this site feel the need to mention that he “survived the massacres of the First Crusade” while living in France?

Am I being overly critical?
 
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