They want to track us now!

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antiaphrodite:
this is scary!!! http://bestsmileys.com/scared/8.gif
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What’s scary to me is that if they did do it, they’d be using Microsoft software and not something proprietary. Hackers LOVE Microsoft. Too important information to be trusted to Mr. Gates’ company, IMHO.

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Wait, I think everyone is reading way too much into this. At what point in the article does it talk about implanting chips? It’s talking about using biomentric (fingerprints, eye scans, etc…) and other information to use in a tracking system- not physically implanitng you with a tracking chip.

What makes you think the Govenrment can’t find you using other types of infomration (SSN, Credit card purchases, INTERNET ACCESS). I can assure you that if the Feds wanted to find you, they wouldn’t need a chip to do it.
 
think tracking people who enter the US temporarily would be a good idea, if we actually asked them to leave when their time expires. If we did so, the 9/11 terrorists would have been asked to leave prior to 9/11
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why on earth would any tourist consent to this intrusion on their family hloiday? when we come to the states it is to relax pump our hard earned currency into your economy, not be harrased by your secret service,
 
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Dredgemate:
Wait, I think everyone is reading way too much into this. At what point in the article does it talk about implanting chips? It’s talking about using biomentric (fingerprints, eye scans, etc…) and other information to use in a tracking system- not physically implanitng you with a tracking chip.

What makes you think the Govenrment can’t find you using other types of infomration (SSN, Credit card purchases, INTERNET ACCESS). I can assure you that if the Feds wanted to find you, they wouldn’t need a chip to do it.
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Yes that is what this article says:ehh: Have you ever heard of the frog in the tepid water with the temp rising slowly he makes no attempt to jump out:eek:
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Lisa4Catholics:
Yes that is what this article says:ehh: Have you ever heard of the frog in the tepid water with the temp rising slowly he makes no attempt to jump out:eek:
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Lisa,

I mean no disrespect when I say you are really being paranoid about this. It’s not healthy to see a conspiracy around every corner. Does this tracking software or chips have the potential to be used in an evil way? Sure. But why do you naturally assume this is some sort of a Big Brother scenario? What about the security benefit?
 
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Dredgemate:
Wait, I think everyone is reading way too much into this. At what point in the article does it talk about implanting chips? It’s talking about using biomentric (fingerprints, eye scans, etc…) and other information to use in a tracking system- not physically implanitng you with a tracking chip.

What makes you think the Govenrment can’t find you using other types of infomration (SSN, Credit card purchases, INTERNET ACCESS). I can assure you that if the Feds wanted to find you, they wouldn’t need a chip to do it.
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I can assure you that there is no amount of control that is excessive to those who thirst for power.

When you give the government control of your life–and in a civilized society, they are going to have some–you cannot just say, “Am I comfortable with this government knowing this?” You have to ask yourself “Would I be comfortable with a fascist government having this information on all of us? Do I want it to be this easy for them to hunt people down?”

When you make it easy to find a person, to know who is out there and what they are doing, you make it easy to persecute entire groups of people, and to do it very soon after the wrong people get into power. Better to put enough difficulty into it that tracking the criminals is all they have the resources to do.

This makes it hard for the police, yes… but the alternative may one day put them in the position of collaborating with evil or getting shot themselves, as during the Nazi regime. It is even dangerous to be in law enforcement when law enforcement is given too much power! Besides, power is a brew that police can easily get drunk on, as we see throughout history, even our own. We all have a dark side, and need to be protected from it.

I think the right to bear arms, for instance, has nothing to do with deer hunting. It has to do with not trusting normal humans with extraordinary power. You have to make it so they need the power to persuade voluntary compliance in order to keep the whole thing from flying apart. In that case, you still have people governing themselves. And since you can’t make a country that is better than its people, that is as it should be.

The lack of anarchy in this country is a daily choice that the majority of the citizenry makes. That is as it should be. When the choice for anarchy does not exist, the government is by definition totalitarian.
 
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Dredgemate:
Lisa,

I mean no disrespect when I say you are really being paranoid about this. It’s not healthy to see a conspiracy around every corner. Does this tracking software or chips have the potential to be used in an evil way? Sure. But why do you naturally assume this is some sort of a Big Brother scenario? What about the security benefit?
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I know you mean no dissrespect Gilliam thinks I am paranoid toohttp://bestsmileys.com/scared/7.gifA whole lot of things are made out looking really good in the beginning but are indeed a disaster in the endhttp://bestsmileys.com/scared/3.gifSomething may promise and seem to protect you in the beginning,when you have to give your privacy away what is it worth?
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
I know you mean no dissrespect Gilliam thinks I am paranoid toohttp://bestsmileys.com/scared/7.gifA whole lot of things are made out looking really good in the beginning but are indeed a disaster in the endhttp://bestsmileys.com/scared/3.gifSomething may promise and seem to protect you in the beginning,when you have to give your privacy away what is it worth?
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If they try to force these chips on us, should we flee the country?
 
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BLB_Oregon:
When you give the government control of your life–and in a civilized society, they are going to have some–you cannot just say, “Am I comfortable with this government knowing this?” You have to ask yourself “Would I be comfortable with a fascist government having this information on all of us? Do I want it to be this easy for them to hunt people down?”
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Well, that’s the crux of it isn’t it. WE choose to give what WE want. This is a democratic society, WE determine the how and the why. If WE don’t like the way things are going, it is up to US to change it.
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blb_oregon:
When you make it easy to find a person, to know who is out there and what they are doing, you make it easy to persecute entire groups of people, and to do it very soon after the wrong people get into power. Better to put enough difficulty into it that tracking the criminals is all they have the resources to do.
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You also make it easy for first responders and rescue workers to find people who have been trapped in the rubble of an earthquake, or someon who’s been kidnapped. As for giving ammunition for the wrong people who get into power- who’s fault would that be? (see my above comment)
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Lisa4Catholics:
I know you mean no dissrespect Gilliam thinks I am paranoid toohttp://bestsmileys.com/scared/7.gifA whole lot of things are made out looking really good in the beginning but are indeed a disaster in the endhttp://bestsmileys.com/scared/3.gifSomething may promise and seem to protect you in the beginning,when you have to give your privacy away what is it worth?
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There needs to be a balance between privacy and security. We’ve all seen the results of what can happen when there is nothing effective in place to keep the “bad” guys at bay. Let me ask you this, would you be willing to give away some freedom to keep your family safe?
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
I know you mean no dissrespect Gilliam thinks I am paranoid toohttp://bestsmileys.com/scared/7.gif
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:confused: if lisa’s paranoid then i’m a raving lunatic!
 
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Dredgemate:
There needs to be a balance between privacy and security. We’ve all seen the results of what can happen when there is nothing effective in place to keep the “bad” guys at bay. Let me ask you this, would you be willing to give away some freedom to keep your family safe?
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Ryan,

This is the dilemma - you nailed it!

As a Dad, I would definitely consider, for example, a gps chip in my kids - no need for an Amber alert, because we would immediately be able to track them down if they were missing. However, I would have the chip removed when they reach adulthood. I just wouldn’t want my whereabouts trackable by the wrong people.

Similarly, OnStar has great commercials about it’s benefits. For example they can unlock cars for customers who locked their keys in…along with their kids :eek: (this happened to my wife once…very distressing); or they can get emergency services on the scene, track down your stolen car, etc. It still bothers me that someone can track me down and unlock my doors.

If there were safeguards in place, I would feel better.

“Only the paranoid survive” - Andrew Grove

Robert.
 
. . . and some people think the 2nd Amendment is anachronistic.
 
Let me ask you this, would you be willing to give away some freedom to keep your family safe?
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Didn’t Benjamin Franklin say something relating to this? Something like, “Those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for security, end up with neither.”

This is precisely the point. I don’t feel SAFE with the tracking technology.

Let me ask you this, why don’t people leave kids in the car for a brief time while they go in to pay for gas? Is it because they fear some criminal will abduct their child? Or because Social Services will abduct the child?

What’s the net gain? Do parents feel safer?
 
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Dredgemate:
Well, that’s the crux of it isn’t it. WE choose to give what WE want. This is a democratic society, WE determine the how and the why. If WE don’t like the way things are going, it is up to US to change it.

You also make it easy for first responders and rescue workers to find people who have been trapped in the rubble of an earthquake, or someon who’s been kidnapped. As for giving ammunition for the wrong people who get into power- who’s fault would that be? (see my above comment)

There needs to be a balance between privacy and security. We’ve all seen the results of what can happen when there is nothing effective in place to keep the “bad” guys at bay. Let me ask you this, would you be willing to give away some freedom to keep your family safe?
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Easy in, not so easy out, said the lobster in the pot.

The government can make you safer, but they can’t make you safe. To give them too much power is a game of diminishing returns. You can spend yourself into the poor house, even into slavery, but that won’t take your fear away.

Put not your trust in princes, in man in whom there is no salvation.
 
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Dredgemate:
Well, that’s the crux of it isn’t it. WE choose to give what WE want. This is a democratic society, WE determine the how and the why. If WE don’t like the way things are going, it is up to US to change it.
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Code:
Since WE are a democracy, and if WE do not like something (like abortion), then WE should change it. Let US get going on this…30+YEARS IS LONG ENOUGH…😃 😉
 
When Social Security was first introduced it was said that the Social Security Number would “never” be used for purposes of identification. Somehow that rule went in the dumpster, and I suspect that other forms of tracking and I.D. would also be compromised over time.

Moreover, hacking is now an art form and all of this data is subject to attack from any number of sources. Such plans are frought with dangers.

Join the Anonymous Paranoid Catholic Answers Alliance…it’s our only hope 👍
 
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Pax:
When Social Security was first introduced it was said that the Social Security Number would “never” be used for purposes of identification. Somehow that rule went in the dumpster, and I suspect that other forms of tracking and I.D. would also be compromised over time.

Moreover, hacking is now an art form and all of this data is subject to attack from any number of sources. Such plans are frought with dangers.

Join the Anonymous Paranoid Catholic Answers Alliance…it’s our only hope 👍
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Pax will you accept antiaphrodite and I into the newly formed Anonymous Paranoid Catholic Answers Alliance?:bowdown2: We humbly request acceptance:bowdown: http://bestsmileys.com/scared/8.gif
 
Lisa and Siena,

You are now charter members without peer. Go forth and watch your backs 👍
 
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