Things that you’re liable to read in the Bible

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How easy or difficult is it to misinterpret the Bible?

Is it,
a) Very Easy
b) Very Difficult
c) Absolutely Impossible?

Feel free to adduce verses and/or passages from any part of any Bible to endorse your view.

Cordially,
Mick
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I remember this thread title from months ago…

Anyway, I’m going with a) very easy. Fr. Anthony Messih of the Coptic Orthodox Church gave a good talk (available in five parts on Youtube) on the ultimate untenability of Protestant positions regarding the Bible as it relates to Tradition that pretty much says what I would say. You NEED to follow Tradition, or else you won’t know what to believe or not believe. Everybody decides on one interpretation or another of the Bible. The question then becomes: What’s it based on? I’d trust the early Christians before I would trust Pastor Jim from the local Presbylutheranlatterdayventistopalian Church or what have you. They learned at the feet of the Apostles. I didn’t.
 
How easy or difficult is it to misinterpret the Bible?

Is it,
a) Very Easy
b) Very Difficult
c) Absolutely Impossible?

Feel free to adduce verses and/or passages from any part of any Bible to endorse your view.

Cordially,
Mick
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For the most part the Bible is quite straight forward. What is required is the understanding of the context. For that a good knowledge of the history of the Church and the original intent of the apostles is helpful.

I can’t answer the questions because they tend to confine yourself to a postion where you are not free to be flexible.
 
I think scripture is easy enough these days to get an historical and cultural background of each section of scripture when written. I come from a more liberal view, and believe scripture was given to us layer upon layer and that the redactors of scripture had reasons to reflect the religious understanding of their day back into scripture as copies were made.

Being familiar with the controversies of early Christianity and what shaped eventually to become the dominant form of Christian thought also brings light upon the early Christain writings of the NT, and non-canonical writings as they contributed to the development of various Christian beliefs in the first few centuries of the C.E.

For me, scripture takes on a vibrancy and timelessness when we view God move thoroughout history and see our response to the “openings” He gives to humanity.

The Bible is a very human book…so human in fact if most of the copies we have at home were patted…dust would fly off the cover.🙂
 
How easy or difficult is it to misinterpret the Bible?

Is it,
a) Very Easy
b) Very Difficult
c) Absolutely Impossible?
Feel free to adduce verses and/or passages from any part of any Bible to endorse your view.

Cordially,
Mick
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I hope Judges Ch16 requires a lot of interpretation. . . . . . .
 
When I read the Bible through, I read it uncritically, as if it were just a story book. I think I felt it was meant to be simple - but it’s actually quite complex, for the modern mind perhaps moreso than previously, where we’re used to everything explained to us in simple fashion, and have little time for careful refection. The why and wherefors lead forward, backward, and all over the place - it makes One Hundred years of solitude as complex as a Nursery Rhyme! But perhaps, in that, it is more close to life than 95% of modern fiction, and a similar proportion of allegedly intellectual modern literature* - life is complex, and something as important as the Bible is therefore inevitably similarly so - although there is a simple enough message in the more prominent bits

*(to contradict myself, however, not including One Hundred Years of Solitude, which makes a decent attempt at being as similarly complex, presented simply, as real life)
 
  1. Very easy. The ego lead to the original fall in the garden, and the ego will always lead us astray. Knowing that the ego is a force to be reckoned with, our Lord gave us two things to accomplish before following him:
a. Deny ourselves
b. Take up our crosses (daily).

Trouble surfaces when we attempt to shortcut this instruction. Notice that both steps require suppression of the ego.

As to interpretation, “sola scriptura” relies upon, and appeals to the ego as the interpreter of scripture. There is precedent for this in the bible - but not where one might think: the devil misinterpreted and quoted scripture in his temptation of our Lord. He had no authority to interpret and was rebuked.

As to scriptures in this regard:

2 Peter 1:20 (King James Version)

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation”

Acts 8:30-31 (King James Version)

“And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him”

Nehemiah 8:8 (King James Version)

“So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading”

The bible cannot interpret itself. It tells us to look elsewhere for interpretation, and so we must rely on the Church, which is the “pillar and foundation of truth” (1 Timothy 3:15). We can thank the Lord that we have an Apostolic Church to lead and guide us.
 
…the devil misinterpreted and quoted scripture in his temptation of our Lord. He had no authority to interpret and was rebuked.
Satan is not a Christian, doesn’t worship Christ as His LORD & Savior, nor does he have the Holy Spirit. It is egregiously invidious (not to mention laughable) to compare a Bible-believing Christian to God’s (and man’s) arch foe. Furthermore, by that line of reasoning, nobody can quote Scripture at all, not even here @ a forum the way we are.
How easy or difficult is it to misinterpret the Bible?
(This subject could take up volumes of writing, so I’ll just put out a couple of ideas, which are in no way exhaustive. I hope they will not repeat whatever was written @ the earlier thread, which I am unfamiliar with, having just “arrived” @ this site recently.)

To start with, recall the passage in John’s Gospel chapter 9 where the Pharisees end up condemning the young man blind from birth whom Jesus healed: “You were born in utter sin; and you would teach us?!?” (You can just hear them snarling and baring their fangs.) Here was this really lowly, probably not educated, young man who recognized Jesus as coming from God, whereas the Pharisees, august keepers & defenders of God’s Law, totally missed the truth. That passage can serve as a parable of the believer and the Holy Spirit’s work in giving him insight.

Even with non-Bible reading, interpretational accuracy depends on the integrity and intellectual maturity of the reader (iow, if for example you are a rabid man-hating Feminist, chances are, you’ll view male writings thru a misandristic lens; but even something as light as “The Sound of Music” can be construed as a “subtle attack on the traditional family and the husband as the head of the household” [yes, I actually read an essay that argued this!]). How much more when it comes to Scripture, where you’re dealing with weighty issues like God; His authority over us; our obligations to Him and to others; salvation, etc.—all topics that potentially “touch nerves,” unlike, say, a medical textbook or the weather report in the newspaper.

Now, if you’re a Biblical Protestant, you believe that because the believer has the Holy Spirit, he also has the mind of Christ, so he has the privilege (indeed the duty) of familiarizing himself with God’s Word, saturating himself with it so that it becomes the filter (or the paradigm, if you will) for his view of ultimate truth/reality. That doesn’t mean the believer never resorts to any sort of aids (commentaries, concordances, dictionaries, encyclopedias, or just plain another believer) to sort out the sticky passages. “Iron sharpens iron.” (Not to forget the 2 principles of context—paragraph, chapter, book, and finally the whole Bible—and clear passages illuminating the murkier ones). An alive Christian is ever “increasing in the knowledge of the LORD,” ever learning and striving for greater wisdom and insight. Sola Scriptura doesn’t mean “jiss me’n my Bible” (which is in effect Solo Scriptura), but only that the Christian is not spiritually bound by anything not clearly taught in (or inferable from) the Bible (and yes, I’m aware that RCers and Protestants in many ways disagree on what is “clearly inferable”).

The more knotty and complex the Biblical passage or concept, the greater the likelihood of misinterpretation, of course, but seriously, how many (mis)interpretations will men of goodwill and even average intelligence come up with for verses such as these (merely as simple examples—and they could be multiplied by the thousands)?

Jesus wept.

Thou shalt not steal.

Thou shalt not lie.

Of the fruit of that tree thou shalt not eat.

“One thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see.”

Do I really need some ECF to “interpret” these for me? Or a priest? (Do you?!?:bigyikes:) You could gather together a Jansenist, a Jesuit, a Molinist, a Maryknoller, Hans Küng, Teilhard, a Calvinist, a Baptist, a Methodist, a Lutheran, an Anglican, an Episcopalian, a Pentecostal, a Charismatic, an Emergent, & an LDS, and assuming these people were all of sound mind and overall decent character, as well as possessing goodwill and average intelligence, they’d all be able to agree on the basic meaning of these verses (iow, they’re not going to say something like “Jesus wept” = “Jesus guffawed” or “Thou shalt not steal” = “You can go ahead and take whatever you want, whenever you want, where ever you want”).
 
How easy or difficult is it to misinterpret the Bible?
Did Adam & Eve misinterpret the words of God when He instructed them not eat from the tree, did they negligent the instructions, or a third party was involved to deceive them?

The same concept applies to your question…
 
Do I really need some ECF to “interpret” these for me?
I’d listen to them (and do) over the list of others that you posted. The water is much cleaner and cooler at the source than down stream, ie, some of these men were taught directly by the apostles. To discount the ECF’s is to be intellectually dishonest.
 
Did Adam & Eve misinterpret the words of God when He instructed them not eat from the tree, did they negligent the instructions, or a third party was involved to deceive them?

The same concept applies to your question…
Sam brings up a good point.

God told them not to eat from the fruit from the tree, else they would die; it was a clear instruction, nothing to not understand. When Satan deceived Eve, he claimed that God lied about them dying, because he feared that they would become like gods. Now Satan introduced a incorrect understanding of Gods words and deceived them into eating the fruit.

The Bible can be mostly clear, but the temptations of this world make us misinterpret a lot of it. Take for example homosexuality, the Bible makes it clear that it is a sin, yet there exists Christians who condone the act. I recall once finding in the library a book that claims that it can prove, from the Bible, that homosexuality is permitted.

Satan deceives us into misunderstanding many parts of the Bible, causing us to give reasons to why acts that are prohibited in the Bible is fine in modern society and beliefs held by early Christians are denied by some today.

My choice–a)
 
Jesus wept.

Thou shalt not steal.

Thou shalt not lie.

Of the fruit of that tree thou shalt not eat.

“One thing I do know, that though I was blind, now I see.”
You left one out: Thou shalt not kill.

Yet our society, including many Christian communities, have trouble figuring this one out. They need help from a higher authority than the bible. Some to explain all the words in ‘Thou shalt not kill’.

It does not look hard, till you come with a preconcieved notion and decide it can’t mean than???!?!?!?!!.

Similar to ‘This is my body’ or ‘on this Rock I will build my Church’
 
Very Easy

30 And when Philip had run up, he heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
 
Satan is not a Christian, doesn’t worship Christ as His LORD & Savior, nor does he have the Holy Spirit.
This is precisely why he is the tempter. Is man subject to his temptation, or not? That is my point.
It is egregiously invidious (not to mention laughable) to compare a Bible-believing Christian to God’s (and man’s) arch foe. Furthermore, by that line of reasoning, nobody can quote Scripture at all, not even here @ a forum the way we are.
I was comparing the two, not equating them. Actually, Satan (and all spirits) is far superior in intellect to any of us. Does he have any power at all, or should we all just forget about him?
 
Take for example homosexuality, the Bible makes it clear that it is a sin, yet there exists Christians who condone the act. I recall once finding in the library a book that claims that it can prove, from the Bible, that homosexuality is permitted.

Satan deceives us into misunderstanding many parts of the Bible, causing us to give reasons to why acts that are prohibited in the Bible is fine in modern society and beliefs held by early Christians are denied by some today.
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Take for example homosexuality, the Bible makes it clear that it is a sin, yet there exists Christians who condone the act. I recall once finding in the library a book that claims that it can prove, from the Bible, that homosexuality is permitted.

Satan deceives us into misunderstanding many parts of the Bible, causing us to give reasons to why acts that are prohibited in the Bible is fine in modern society and beliefs held by early Christians are denied by some today.
Sam, you make a very good point, if you don’t mind I’d like to add another angle to it.

The same bible that some say there is no need of help to interpret, which to some gives the green light to homosexuality, gives some the ammunition they need to hate homosexuals and in some minds justification to kill and persecute them. How is that possible if it is so easy to know the truth without help?

History is full of examples of the need of help interpreting scripture, the Catholic Church murdering in the middle ages, and Catholics being murdered in the same time period; all of these people were “lead by scripture” with moral certitude in what they were doing was right.

Truthkeeper,

If you ignore history you have already lost the meaning scripture. Go to the ECFs, it is a must!
 
If you ignore history you have already lost the meaning scripture. Go to the ECFs, it is a must!
Lapey, did you even bother reading my post, especially the part after the 2nd quote? Your comment makes me doubt it: notice I did mention the use of commentaries, which would include folks like the ECF’s—for the thorny passages. But again, I ask, seriously, do YOU need anybody at all to help you understand the types of verses that I quoted there? If you do, it just confirms my suspicion that the American educational system is an even worse farce than I had thought.

Furthermore, notice how you end up killing your previous point here:
History is full of examples of the need of help interpreting scripture, the Catholic Church murdering in the middle ages [these are supposedly the ECF’s heirs, right?]…all of these people were “lead [sic] by scripture” with moral certitude in what they were doing was right.
So I guess then, to follow po18’s reasoning earlier on this thread, Satan was alive and well even amongst the Medieval RCC leaders…
 
Lapey, did you even bother reading my post, especially the part after the 2nd quote? Your comment makes me doubt it: notice I did mention the use of commentaries, which would include folks like the ECF’s—for the thorny passages. But again, I ask, seriously, do YOU need anybody at all to help you understand the types of verses that I quoted there? If you do, it just confirms my suspicion that the American educational system is an even worse farce than I had thought.

Furthermore, notice how you end up killing your previous point here:
So I guess then, to follow po18’s reasoning earlier on this thread, Satan was alive and well even amongst the Medieval RCC leaders…
First of all, protestantism in all forms has been discredited by the acts of its members. Today, sexual abuse of children is lesser known but remains at higher percentages than in the Catholic Church. Combine this with the murder of Priests and Bishops during the reformation, wholesale theft of land and Church buildings, and a great stain remains. So, do we abandon all hope that Christ’s Church still stands? Certainly not! Christ promised a Church that would stand until the end of the age.

Man is sinful by nature. His behavior follows this perfect;y. Our hope remains in seeking the perfection of God while remaining true to the Church which Christ founded. The bible says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. The bible says that we must look outside of it for interpretation by men who are lead by the Holy Spirit. The bible, much to the horror of those who appear to worship it, is a foundation of sand if it is not interpreted by the Church under the leading of the Holy Spirit.

We must follow Christ and rely on the Church that He founded to lead us to all truth. I have heard not one bit of evidence that what the Church teaches is in error. I have seen much debate about the sinful acts of her members. Separate the sinful members from what the Church actually teaches - then we can talk.
 
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