Things women help men with

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Dear Post #32,
I recognize that I made some generalizations, but as I said in my post, I think most of the things I mentioned are done by women. It is a rare man who bakes for the bake sale, cooks on the holidays, or is the primary person a child in need comes to at all hours. Not unheard of, but come on, you can’t deny it is not the norm. I think it is more generally true that men’s “job descriptions” are more narrowly defined than women’s. Especially these days when many women work AND are the primary homemaker and/or parent. Or when they care for kids, are the primary homemaker, AND homeschool-- especially homeschooling multiple kids of varying ages. I think it is very rare for a man to take on that role.

And-- do not underestimate childbearing. You sort of pushed that off as an isolated example of something women do but men don’t. Childbearing is an enormous, all-encompassing task that affects every area of our lives, again without “limits.” Nine months of morning sickness, exhaustion, wearing maternity clothes, often while struggling to keep up all our other duties, followed by the pain of childbirth, then either nursing for a few months to a couple of years which means being with the infant 24/7 or pumping breastmilk, and usually being the primary parent…caregiver…housekeeper…cook…and so forth…The point is, we pretty much have no limits on what we are called upon to do.

Women’s lives change much more than men’s when a child enters the picture. I have three kids. My husband has been working at the same job for the 12 years during which our kids have been born. He goes to the same office and sits at the same desk for the same 8 hours. That is not a criticism or complaint; it is a simple reality. His life for most of the day is exactly as it was before we had children. In that same time, my duties have increased in virtually every area. On virtually the same income he had 12 years ago (despite tiny raises, it has not increased commensurately with our growing family; he gets “cost of living” increases but not “you have three more children now” increases), I have to feed and clothe three more children, cook three times the food, do three times the laundry, pick up three times the mess, wash three times more dishes, teach three different grades, and have three times less free time. Again lest another writer accuse me of bitterness, I am not bitter, I am just stating the facts.
Men can’t bear children, so why even go down that road. If men could have children a fair complaint could possibly be made. If a man wrote that women generally don’t fix cars, pick up the heavy stuff in the house, work 13 hour days as plumbers, carpenters, electricians, cut the lawn, trim the hedges etc. many (women) would say I’m generalizing. On the average men don’t do some of the things you state, but many do. Your writing as a 1950s housewife with a 2012 slant. Men and women both work hard these days. One gender is not doing more than the other on the average. Thats a fact.
 
Men can’t bear children, so why even go down that road. If men could have children a fair complaint could possibly be made. If a man wrote that women generally don’t fix cars, pick up the heavy stuff in the house, work 13 hour days as plumbers, carpenters, electricians, cut the lawn, trim the hedges etc. many (women) would say I’m generalizing. On the average men don’t do some of the things you state, but many do. Your writing as a 1950s housewife with a 2012 slant. Men and women both work hard these days. One gender is not doing more than the other on the average. Thats a fact.
Why are you arguing with her? It’s not a competition. If you want to read things that men do for women than go read that thread. This was suppossed to be about nice things that women do for men. So men can’t give birth, she can’t mention it then? 🤷
 
Why are you arguing with her? It’s not a competition. If you want to read things that men do for women than go read that thread. This was suppossed to be about nice things that women do for men. So men can’t give birth, she can’t mention it then? 🤷
“Supposed to be” yes. Carrying on about how men will never understand or appreciate carrying a child? It’s insulting. How can men fully understand what they can’t biologically do anyway? Big difference between "mention"ing that men can’t give birth and harping on how horrible a task it is in comparison to what men do. I saw a few “nice” things and A LOT of complaining.

Go on and start a thread about what MEN DO FOR WOMEN using all the stereotypes you can for women, as was presented with men here, and catch the reaction.
 
Things women help men with…

being good Catholics, husbands, fathers, and men in general. It’s possible for us to be these on our own, but ya’ll make it so much easier.
 
“Supposed to be” yes. Carrying on about how men will never understand or appreciate carrying a child? It’s insulting. How can men fully understand what they can’t biologically do anyway? Big difference between "mention"ing that men can’t give birth and harping on how horrible a task it is in comparison to what men do. I saw a few “nice” things and A LOT of complaining.

Go on and start a thread about what MEN DO FOR WOMEN using all the stereotypes you can for women, as was presented with men here, and catch the reaction.
Someone already did, right here

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=676790

and yes, a comparison of the two is very interesting. In the other thread women immediately started posting and all answered politely, charitably, and on topic about all of the wonderful things men help them with. In this thread, after no replies from the men it was left to the women to explain what they do for men. The replies from women were overanalyzed, and while some men chipped in to give on topic and charitable replies there were also sarcastic and downright offensive replies given by them.
 
Hmmm…don’t know what to tell you. Maybe you’ve put enough attitude on display that the feeling isn’t mutual? :rolleyes:
Well, I read through this thread of all these “domestic duties” that women do to help men, when what I have experienced most in my life is that women these days absolutely refuse to do these chores altogether, because to do so would be demeaning to them. If you ask one to do the dishes, she may just blow a gasket. Further, for the most part, everybody is pretty lazy these days(men and women). Very few women actually run a tight ship like that. That’s just how it is. Most of the time the chores are pretty well split.
 
Well, I read through this thread of all these “domestic duties” that women do to help men, when what I have experienced most in my life is that women these days absolutely refuse to do these chores altogether, because to do so would be demeaning to them. If you ask one to do the dishes, she may just blow a gasket. Further, for the most part, everybody is pretty lazy these days(men and women). Very few women actually run a tight ship like that. That’s just how it is. Most of the time the chores are pretty well split.
Do you really think that just because the women you know are like that that all women are? :eek: This is supposed to be a fun charitable thread to give men a chance to tell women what they appreciate about them, not a place for you to rant about the women you know.
 
VeritasLuxMea,

I am sorry that so many people did not take the time to actually read the thread you were referencing first before posting here. This could have been a nice positive thread like the other one had they read it. Instead, it has turned into a place that pits man against woman in a contest of who does more and who has a bad attitude. 🤷

Thanks for trying. It’s no wonder you have not been back.
 
Dear johnnyjones and whitesheep,
I am sorry you have had such abysmal experiences with women, or do not find that women do enough chores to suit you. I’m sorry the honesty of my posts insulted you, but I was answering the question that was written: what do women do that men should be grateful for. Just because some men do some of these things does not take away from the fact that these are things women do. Just because you know women who are exceptions does not change that. We could find an exception for everything. I mean, are you going to say that because some women can’t give birth, then I can’t include that? Even if you want to “throw out” childbearing from the list because men can’t possibly give birth, how many men do you know who are actually the PRIMARY childcare person after the child is born? No doubt some are-- just as no doubt some women change tires and mow lawns and fix cars–but we can ONLY speak in generalizations here. With billions of people on the planet, of course you can find exceptions to anything any person in this thread might post.

I stand by my posts. Those are the things I do. I was NOT asked to list the things my husband does. As someone wrote, it was not meant to be a competition until a few very defensive guys objected to giving women credit where credit was due. I am writing about MY experience and that of almost every (married) woman that I know. I have several advanced and professional degrees and have been the primary breadwinner for long periods of my life. I have traveled all over the world and lived all over this country. I know what I’m talking about. MAYBE the women in your lives do so little because you would never give them credit for anything. I don’t know; I’m just sayin.’
 
Oh, you’re so right, shallot. The truth and honesty of your posts was too much to bear! They burned with the fire of pure truth and made my eyes feel like someone had pierced them with a red hot poker. Oh, the agony! I was shaken to the core. Please don’t write any more of your painfully true posts, I don’t think I could take it.

Wow, anyway, overlooking the astounding pride exhibited in that last post, it just seemed like it was getting a little deep in here. Sorry if my post caused offense.
 
but I was answering the question that was written: what do women do that men should be grateful for.
Actually, that was** not** the question. No where in the title of this thread did the OP mention being grateful to, indebted to, or beholden to women.** Things women help men with,** that is the title. The OP referenced another thread and since it appears no one has read that thread, I will tell you that it was written asking for ideas about things men help women with as they were planning a video tribute to 30 of their college age male friends. Some of the offerings were quite lovely. None were slams against women.

This could have been another nice thread that is now ruined by a battle of the sexes… 😊
 
My wife is the heart and soul of our family.

She urges me to be a better person. She respects me and engages in the most thought-provoking discussions with me. She stands beside me in hard times (Okay, sometimes in front of, sometimes behind, but always with me). She rejoices with me in the good times.

She adds class and beauty to my life.
 
I wish the OP would come back and tell us if he did actually mean for it to be just like the other thread (about college-age people). I did read the thread he linked to but because of how he worded the question, I thought he just wanted it to be a general reminiscence on the nice things women do for men.

Anyway, this thread has gotten depressing on so many levels. 🤷
 
I do not disagree with you…

BUT…what good are all the good deeds in the world if they are done out of ‘obligation’ with undertones of resentment rather than out of love for another person?
You don’t think love is an obligation at times?? :confused:

Are you married??
 
Dear johnnyjones and whitesheep,
I am sorry you have had such abysmal experiences with women, or do not find that women do enough chores to suit you. I’m sorry the honesty of my posts insulted you, but I was answering the question that was written: what do women do that men should be grateful for. Just because some men do some of these things does not take away from the fact that these are things women do. Just because you know women who are exceptions does not change that. We could find an exception for everything. I mean, are you going to say that because some women can’t give birth, then I can’t include that? Even if you want to “throw out” childbearing from the list because men can’t possibly give birth, how many men do you know who are actually the PRIMARY childcare person after the child is born? No doubt some are-- just as no doubt some women change tires and mow lawns and fix cars–but we can ONLY speak in generalizations here. With billions of people on the planet, of course you can find exceptions to anything any person in this thread might post.

I stand by my posts. Those are the things I do. I was NOT asked to list the things my husband does. As someone wrote, it was not meant to be a competition until a few very defensive guys objected to giving women credit where credit was due. I am writing about MY experience and that of almost every (married) woman that I know. I have several advanced and professional degrees and have been the primary breadwinner for long periods of my life. I have traveled all over the world and lived all over this country. I know what I’m talking about. MAYBE the women in your lives do so little because you would never give them credit for anything. I don’t know; I’m just sayin.’
My friend, your complaining and strong inference that men just don’t know what you women put up with is where I had some issues. Women are my world, and I love them. How you got the idea that I would NEVER give them credit for anything is another insult.

Try to recognize the difference between the two threads. One starts off giving credit and zero complaining. That one isn’t yours. You have jumped to conclusions and the thread is “ruined” because of the complaining, and stereotyping.

Do you assume I haven’t “traveled all over the world” or have advanced degrees"? Too much assuming. MY DAUGHTER (WHO I KNEW WOULD BE A GIRL) IS ON THIS EARTH BECAUSE I FOUGHT AGAINST THE EVIL OF ABORTION> I WELCOME WOMEN! Some of my greatest teachers have been women as well.

I’m all for female empowerment and some women chimed in on this thread in a beautiful way. You went over the top, and I really know what I’m talking about.
 
Actually, that was** not** the question. No where in the title of this thread did the OP mention being grateful to, indebted to, or beholden to women.** Things women help men with,** that is the title. The OP referenced another thread and since it appears no one has read that thread, I will tell you that it was written asking for ideas about things men help women with as they were planning a video tribute to 30 of their college age male friends. Some of the offerings were quite lovely. None were slams against women.

This could have been another nice thread that is now ruined by a battle of the sexes… 😊
I think you make a good point. If your going to start a thread about how women help men, why include the subtle (and not so subtle) jabs at men. Don’t forget the complaining. This was not done by all women though.
 
My wife is the heart and soul of our family.

She urges me to be a better person. She respects me and engages in the most thought-provoking discussions with me. She stands beside me in hard times (Okay, sometimes in front of, sometimes behind, but always with me). She rejoices with me in the good times.

She adds class and beauty to my life.
👍👍 Thank you Paul! What a lovely post! Genuine and free from attempts at sarcastic humor! God bless you and your wife!!!
 
Dear johnnyjones and whitesheep,
I am sorry you have had such abysmal experiences with women, or do not find that women do enough chores to suit you. I’m sorry the honesty of my posts insulted you, but I was answering the question that was written: what do women do that men should be grateful for. Just because some men do some of these things does not take away from the fact that these are things women do. Just because you know women who are exceptions does not change that. We could find an exception for everything. I mean, are you going to say that because some women can’t give birth, then I can’t include that? Even if you want to “throw out” childbearing from the list because men can’t possibly give birth, how many men do you know who are actually the PRIMARY childcare person after the child is born? No doubt some are-- just as no doubt some women change tires and mow lawns and fix cars–but we can ONLY speak in generalizations here. With billions of people on the planet, of course you can find exceptions to anything any person in this thread might post.

I stand by my posts. Those are the things I do. I was NOT asked to list the things my husband does. As someone wrote, it was not meant to be a competition until a few very defensive guys objected to giving women credit where credit was due. I am writing about MY experience and that of almost every (married) woman that I know. I have several advanced and professional degrees and have been the primary breadwinner for long periods of my life. I have traveled all over the world and lived all over this country. I know what I’m talking about. MAYBE the women in your lives do so little because you would never give them credit for anything. I don’t know; I’m just sayin.’
another thing women do for men is put up with and don’t blame us as a whole for the actions and words of manchildren [plural of manchild? menchild? men-children?].
 
Oh, you’re so right, shallot. The truth and honesty of your posts was too much to bear! They burned with the fire of pure truth and made my eyes feel like someone had pierced them with a red hot poker. Oh, the agony! I was shaken to the core. Please don’t write any more of your painfully true posts, I don’t think I could take it.

Wow, anyway, overlooking the astounding pride exhibited in that last post, it just seemed like it was getting a little deep in here. Sorry if my post caused offense.
You are going to end up banned from CAF if you’re not careful. I bet you’ve received a lot of complaints.

We are all asked to be polite and aware of others’ feelings while posting on CAF.
 
Actually, that was** not** the question. No where in the title of this thread did the OP mention being grateful to, indebted to, or beholden to women.** Things women help men with,** that is the title. The OP referenced another thread and since it appears no one has read that thread, I will tell you that it was written asking for ideas about things men help women with as they were planning a video tribute to 30 of their college age male friends. Some of the offerings were quite lovely. None were slams against women.

This could have been another nice thread that is now ruined by a battle of the sexes… 😊
Too many threads around here quickly devolve into men vs. women idiocy. It’s elementary school ‘boys are yucky and girls have cooties’ mentality times a thousand sometimes. I’ve taught and parented 13- and 14-year-olds, and I am here to testify that I can find a more sane, balanced, and loving view of gender roles from the typical boy than I can by some here who claim to be grown adults.

And too often threads about women end up bordering on out-and-out woman hating. Only no one can call it woman hating because then they’re accused of being leftist radical feminists.

Luna
 
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