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I’ve got a serious question that I really need an answer to. Is it permissable to miss Mass if you are going on a youth group retreat that weekend?

I refused to go on a retreat last winter because we were not attending Mass. The leader was really mad at me. They planned on having a Communion service, but to me that’s just not acceptable. I really love going to Mass and I hate missing it.

This time around, the retreat is just for the youth leaders of the youth group, to bond and get to know each other. We are going to some fun activities and then attending a Christian music concert. Because it’s a secret what else we are doing, we don’t know if we are going to Mass or not.

I am really not supposed to miss this retreat. If I do, it is possible that I will be asked to resign my position as a youth leader. But if it’s not okay to miss Mass, my conscience will not let me go. Help! 😦
Um, as a mother, my heart leaped into my THROAT when I saw the above. Excuse me, but my children, as teens, would not be permitted to attend functions where some of the activities were ‘secret.’ Not to KNOW if you’re having Mass? Why? Either it’s a secret because it’s not GOING to be offered (and parents would not allow the members to attend under such circumstances) or because it IS going to be offered but either illicitly in some way (anything from having a visiting priest without facilities coming to do a hippie-commune ‘nature fest’ to having the group whisked by private jet to hear Mass in Rome with Pope Benedict. . .again, whether the Mass to be offered is valid (or not), it SHOULD NOT BE KEPT SECRET from the participants as to its nature and especially as to whether (or not) it will actually be offered.

Now it is true that you may legitimately be ‘dispensed’ from Mass attendance by your bishop (or a priest with facilities). . .but the thing is, it isn’t just something that you ‘assume’. You have to ASK your priest and these people can’t ask FOR you unless they actually let you know that there isn’t going to be a Mass but it’s all right because they cleared it with the bishop and all participants are dispensed from the obligation to attend.

Above all, the whole ‘secret fun activities’ part really sets off my parent ‘abuse-dar’. SOMETHING is being planned out of ‘parent sight’ and even if everything turns out fine, the whole idea of ‘keeping secrets from others’ in the context of a Catholic youth group is not good, not good at all.
 
General Instruction of the Roman Missal under “The Place for the Reservation of the Most Holy Eucharist” 314:
What you quoted was in reference to the tabernacle in the church. It does not say that under no circumstances should a portable tabernacle ever be used.
 
I’ve got a serious question that I really need an answer to. Is it permissable to miss Mass if you are going on a youth group retreat that weekend?

I refused to go on a retreat last winter because we were not attending Mass. The leader was really mad at me. They planned on having a Communion service, but to me that’s just not acceptable. I really love going to Mass and I hate missing it.
I assume this is a Catholic parish, school or organization you work for, so I cannot imagine a scenario where they would plan a weekend retreat away from the parish in a setting where Sunday Mass would not be available. Was it planned so people would be home in time for an evening Mass at a nearby parish, for example? That might be the case if they could not find a priest to say Mass at the retreat center. Not enough info.

For the new retreat, is this a job with requirements, one of which is this retreat? Is it a volunteer position where it is strongly suggested? Are you a member of a youth group that requires a retreat? Again not sure where the authority comes from to make any of this mandatory. If this organization consistently schedules events for youth and volunteers that virtually assures they will miss Sunday Mass deliberately that is a grave abuse and should be brought to the attention of the pastor or bishop. They cannot possibly claim to represent and promote Catholic values if they ignore the most fundamental obligation.

For you personally, if you find yourself in a situation where Mass is not available ask your own pastor about it.
 
I am not aware of any rule that says that the Hosts cannot be transported. Hosts are transported to the homebound, to prisons, and to submarines where no chaplain is available.
they certainly cannot be transported and reserved for a period of time like a weekend in a space that is not a sacred space without special permission that would cover dire unusual circumstances like the submarine model. Hosts carried to the sick are taken immediately when received and consumed as soon as possible, not kept for several days.

any qualified lay leader present could conduct a communion service if delegated by the pastor, but berry is asking the right questions. Why on earth would this even be contemplated? If there are consecrated hosts there is a priest. I can see a situation since it happens here all the time that there simply is no priest to say Mass at such an event on Sunday morning, but our solution is always to schedule the event so participants have plenty of time to attend afternoon or evening Mass conveniently after the event.
UmAbove all, the whole ‘secret fun activities’ part really sets off my parent ‘abuse-dar’. SOMETHING is being planned out of ‘parent sight’ and even if everything turns out fine, the whole idea of ‘keeping secrets from others’ in the context of a Catholic youth group is not good, not good at all.
it sets off my DRE alarm as well, sorry it would not be permitted in this diocese to present and publicize a youth retreat on these terms. If it was a known and approved program like ACTS that would be one thing, because the leadership of the parish and dioceses know what is involved, but for the local youth minister to plan “secret fun activities”, no. nada. no way.
 
I am not aware of any rule that says that the Hosts cannot be transported. Hosts are transported to the homebound, to prisons, and to submarines where no chaplain is available.
What does a Catholic do if he is stationed on a submarine?
 
What you quoted was in reference to the tabernacle in the church. It does not say that under no circumstances should a portable tabernacle ever be used.
A tabernacle period. Please show me documentation that says a tabernacle should/can be portable and transported…
 
they certainly cannot be transported and reserved for a period of time like a weekend in a space that is not a sacred space without special permission that would cover dire unusual circumstances like the submarine model. Hosts carried to the sick are taken immediately when received and consumed as soon as possible, not kept for several days.
The officer that was the Extaordinary Minister of Holy Communion was given that permission.
 
What does a Catholic do if he is stationed on a submarine?
When my husband was on the boat, they always had a Communion Service every week. A Catholic officer was the EMHC and he had prepared for the number of weeks that they would be gone. The officers have access to a safe. They were usually away for about three months. They each had a missalette to follow along with the readings.
 
What you quoted was in reference to the tabernacle in the church. It does not say that under no circumstances should a portable tabernacle ever be used.
It described a tabernacle period. Please show me documentation that says a tabernacle should/can be portable and transported.
 
It described a tabernacle period. Please show me documentation that says a tabernacle should/can be portable and transported.
No you show me. You are the one making statements as if they are fact by saying something is illicit. Show me.
 
this is very weird. discuss with your parents and pastor right away. Catholics attend Mass and receive Jesus in the right way period. If that’s not happening something is wrong.
 
No you show me. You are the one making statements as if they are fact by saying something is illicit. Show me.
I did. General Instruction of the Roman Missal under “The Place for the Reservation of the Most Holy Eucharist” 314:
The one tabernacle should be immovable, be made of solid and inviolable material that is not transparent, and be locked in such a way that the danger of profanation is prevented to the greatest extent possible.
In this GIRM, here are the citations used to back up what they state:
Sacred Congregation of Rites, Instruction Eucharisticum mysterium, On the worship of the Eucharist,
25 May 1967. no. 52: AAS 59 (1967), p. 568; Sacred Congregation of Rites, Instruction Inter Oecumenici,
On the orderly carrying out of the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, 26 September 1964, no. 95: AAS 56
(1964), p. 898; Sacred Congregation for the Sacraments, Instruction Nullo umquam tempore, 28 May 1938,
no. 4: AAS 30 (1938), pp. 199-200; The Roman Ritual, Holy Communion and Worship of the Eucharist outside Mass, editio typica, 1973, nos. 10-11; Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 938 § 3.

You, too, made “statements as if they are fact by saying something is” licit, in this case that the Hosts can be transported via a tabernacle. I asked for documentation showing this to be true.
 
I did. General Instruction of the Roman Missal under “The Place for the Reservation of the Most Holy Eucharist” 314:

In this GIRM, here are the citations used to back up what they state:
Sacred Congregation of Rites, Instruction Eucharisticum mysterium, On the worship of the Eucharist,
25 May 1967. no. 52: AAS 59 (1967), p. 568; Sacred Congregation of Rites, Instruction Inter Oecumenici,
On the orderly carrying out of the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, 26 September 1964, no. 95: AAS 56
(1964), p. 898; Sacred Congregation for the Sacraments, Instruction Nullo umquam tempore, 28 May 1938,
no. 4: AAS 30 (1938), pp. 199-200; The Roman Ritual, Holy Communion and Worship of the Eucharist outside Mass, editio typica, 1973, nos. 10-11; Codex Iuris Canonici, can. 938 § 3.

You, too, made “statements as if they are fact by saying something is” licit, in this case that the Hosts can be transported via a tabernacle. I asked for documentation showing this to be true.
I did not say, “Hosts can be transported via a tabernacle.” I mentioned a portable tabernacle because you had asked where they would be reposed until the time of use. I made this suggestion because I know that portable tabernacles have been used on Holy Thursday at the Altar of Repose. You made the statement that it is “illicit” to use a portable tabernacle. So I asked for documentation. Then you turn around and ask me to show documentation because of you claim of it being illicit. End of discussion. We are getting so far off topic from the OP’s question.
 
For a Catholic youth group to plan a Catholic weekend retreat with no plans for Mass is simply inexcusable.

I would suggest you or your parents call the bishop’s office and ask if attendees to this retreat have been granted a formal dispensation from their obligation to attend Sunday Mass.
 
Even if there were a dispensation, what I’m getting from the OP’s post (secret activities, not being ‘sure’ if there was Sunday Mass scheduled) are totally incompatible with the fact that this isn’t a ‘secular’ group but a Catholic youth group doing a retreat (heck, when I was in Catholic youth groups and dinosaurs roamed the earth, most of the retreat activities were built around exploring our Catholic faith with the Mass and Eucharist the “source and summit” of the retreat (OK, this was before Pope Benedict --heck, it was even before Pope John Paul II as I was 22 when he became Pope!-- )but we still knew what was important to us as Catholics.

The idea that a weekend retreat for a Catholic Youth Group would be actually planned to (possibly secretly) NOT have a Mass but somehow be able to have a “communion service” (note: As other posters have mentioned, that is a problem in and of itself; one is not permitted to haul around consecrated hosts into a ‘camp’ from Friday until Sunday and then just “hold a communion service” and say, “We’ve met our Sunday obligation, now let’s party!”) is very troubling. If these are people who are supposed to be youth LEADERS, for them to treat Mass as an ‘option’ is staggeringly poor catechesis–and what they’re modeling to the youth they’re supposed to lead is nowhere NEAR true Catholic teaching there!

I mean, if they’re able to attend a music concert of some kind, then either the group is camping at a venue where there is ‘access’ in and out (otherwise, how would the fans get to the concert?)–or they themselves are going to ‘travel TO the concert’, in which case why wouldn’t they be able to travel TO the nearest church for Sunday Mass.

WAY too many unanswered questions and ‘secrets’ for me. Not to mention that the youth leader was ANGRY at the OP for missing an ‘earlier’ ‘fun times op’. ANGRY? You don’t get ANGRY with people for missing a retreat because Mass hadn’t been ‘planned’ (and I wonder how they got away with that the first time–maybe that’s why things are being ‘extra secret’ this time). IF everything is above board, you explain to the person (“Look, it’s all right, the bishop gave us a dispensation and we’re having an EMHC deliver the consecrated hosts for the communion service right on Sunday morning”) or you say, "Gee, I’m sorry, I thought everything was all right and I’m sorry you’ll miss the fun’. To get ANGRY to me indicates that the person getting angry knows deep down that what she/he is doing is wrong, has tried to ‘justify it’ or even not to ‘care’ (because it’s no big DEAL you see), and so a person who says, “wait, it is a big deal” is THREATENING to them by showing them a truth they’ve tried very hard not to see.
 
Every retreat I’ve helped run (and there’s been several over the last several years, believe me) we have had the following;
  • Adoration and Reconciliation on Saturday evening. Saturday evening is typically where the retreat reaches a climax.
  • We have Mass on Sunday morning (one retreat we had a Vigil Mass Saturday evening with Adoration on Sunday morning).
  • Our usual “Youth Mass” still happened at 6pm Sunday night.
I know of two Youth Programs; Ignite (which is from NET Ministries) and Life Teen (which is from Life Teen International). Both have the Mass and the Eucharist as central components of their respective programs and wouldn’t have a retreat without Mass. If they did (hasn’t happened yet), they certainly would (and should) say “go to Mass” once the retreat is done.

I’m all for fun and games at retreats, and believe me we try to deliver that. But primarily the teens are there to go deeper and learn more about the Faith, and also need to be equipped with the tools to evangelize their peers. To me, this is less of a retreat and more of a fellowship event that takes place over the whole weekend, which is a great thing in of and of itself; the kids HAVE TO (HAVE TO HAVE TO) learn about the importance of fellowship. But I don’t see this being a retreat in a true sense, unless some of those “secrets” happen to be something that can build the teens up.

Now, about those “secret” activities. A lot of times retreat organizers will want to keep some things quiet so the kids can approach things with an open mind and no pre-conceived notions. I mean, they know going in what the theme of the retreat is and generally what happens at a retreat (discussion groups and talks on Friday night, more of that along with Adoration and Confession on Saturday, more of that plus Mass on Sunday). The structure of retreats, in theory, shouldn’t change a whole lot. Most parents know this, and if they don’t know what is happening they should ALWAYS be allowed to ask the youth coordinator or a youth group leader what is happening. Our last retreat I personally talked to each parent who dropped off their kids, and in some cases if they weren’t “regulars” I gave the parent a quick rundown on what happens over the course of the weekend. They deserve to know, especially if they ask some questions.

But you see, as one of the leaders, I know I would refuse to help out if I wasn’t given an outline of what’s going on. You need to know, because as you can see even just in this thread parents might be concerned. Lets use an example;

*Tantum ergo: Hey Melchior, my child (we’ll say Bill) wants to go to this retreat, but when I asked for details Bill didn’t know what was going on. The permission slip doesn’t have as much info as I would like. What’s the deal? I’m a bit concerned about not knowing what is happening.

Melchior: Hey Tantum. We typically don’t give a lot of details to the kids about the content of the retreat so they can go in with an open mind and no pretenses. You know how hard it is when kids get pre-made ideas in their heads. But since you’re asking, here’s what is going to happen;

(insert some details about the retreat, like info about discussion groups, talks, and about sleeping arrangements).

So that’s it in a nut shell. Also, I want to assure you all of our leaders have had police background checks done and are well versed in the area Responsible Ministry. Your child will never be left alone in a room with a volunteer, period. If you want I can give you the youth coordinator’s cell phone number so you can call/text as needed to see what’s up. Now, I can ask a favor…do you mind not mentioning anything content-wise to Bill? I’d hate for him to not get the full amount out of this retreat because he comes in with an attitude of “oh this stuff? BORING/DUMB/I KNOW THIS ALREADY BLAH BLAH LALALALALALALA”.*

Of course, this requires effort and communication…which frankly your leader doesn’t
seem to thrilled about doing.

Now, it IS possible that a Communion Service is all they can do. A lot of retreats can happen at retreat centers which may be outside of the town. If that’s the case, they might not be able to get a Priest due to their responsibilities at their own Parish. Then, and only then, can I see this happening. In my case, my parish has a 6pm Mass on Sunday. Even if we didn’t have Mass at the retreat (which we would, I assure you) there would be no excuse for us to miss Mass. But not everyone lives in the city or are blessed to have an evening Mass on Sunday. In this case, I can understand. But I also understand that your youth leader should’ve planned this out in advance and talked it over with a Priest months in advance to get one booked. You know what would’ve been AWESOME? Get a good Priest who gives great talks and have him do a talk AND a Mass. Two birds, one stone! Work into the budget and pay a Priest who is an effective speaker to come out. But like I said…this seems like a fellowship event not a true retreat.

In the end, I’ll say this; those kids need you spellinggirl. They need someone like you who can help them keep their eyes on what is true and what is important. If like I said above, Mass simply isn’t an option…you need to tell them WHY it isn’t WHY Mass is so important.

And any leader who won’t put up with a little bit of questioning isn’t a very good leader. The Good Lord knows I’ve ran some of the youth coordinators I’ve worked with through the gauntlet.

I’ll be praying for you. Youth Ministry is hard work, but it is NEEDED. They need you there, so please…please try not to be too discouraged. And remember that not all youth groups or leaders are like this person.
 
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