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RyanL:
Jermin,

What would be the will of Allah if the men began to outnumber the women? What would Allah have us do with surplus men?

Peace be with you,
RyanL
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Hello Ryan,

If that situation ever arose, then it would be addressed by the scholars through analysis.

BUT - this isn’t about to happen except in small pockets throughout the world. The nature of humanity is such that men die off quickly, whereas women dont. Esspecially in areas of war and unrest.

Munawar
 
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elizabeth4truth:
What if the first wife doesn’s want her husband to take a second, third or forth, can she divorce her husband, if he does? And if she divorces him, what are her chances of remarrying? Are there sanctions against adultary for men?
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Hello Elizabeth,

Yes, a women has the same rights as a man in marriage. She may divorce him if he marries multiple men. Islam is not a jail cell for women. What are her chances of remarrying? The same as any divorced women. There are areas of Earth where divorced women are looked down upon, but this is culture, not religion.

The sanctions against adultery are the same for men and women. Death by stoning.

Munawar
 
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Munawar:
Hello Ryan,

If that situation ever arose, then it would be addressed by the scholars through analysis.

BUT - this isn’t about to happen except in small pockets throughout the world. The nature of humanity is such that men die off quickly, whereas women dont. Esspecially in areas of war and unrest.

Munawar
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In your defense, isn’t this a bit like arguing with St. Thomas Aquinas over how many angels fit on the head of a pin?

Perhaps I don’t understand how this is a relevant criticism of Islam.
 
Jermin Savory:
Hlgomez, you are right, he only created Adam for Even and at that time, one women for one man. …
Note: Not only does the Qur’an present a solution to the propblem of surplus women, but the Qur’an is the Only Religious Scripture in the world that states, “Marry Only One.”
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Dear Jermin Savory,

You make a good point. When reading your post, all I can think of now is the baby girls in China who are killed to reduce their number. How tragic!

Peace to you,
Elizabeth
 
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Munawar:
Hello Elizabeth,

Yes, a women has the same rights as a man in marriage. She may divorce him if he marries multiple men. Islam is not a jail cell for women. What are her chances of remarrying? The same as any divorced women. There are areas of Earth where divorced women are looked down upon, but this is culture, not religion.

The sanctions against adultery are the same for men and women. Death by stoning.

Munawar
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Hello Munawar,

Did you mean to write “…if he marries multiple women, not men?” I hope so.

Thank you for your reply.

Elizabeth
 
In the name of Allah

RyanL, Howcome you are not answering my Question? Let me restate my Question.

Question: If I agree and also live by the “Not two, three or four Eves” that you have said, then in the Bible, does God have a solution to the problem of the Millions of women who will be without a husband if every man were to marry only one women according to your rule? If he does, then what is the Biblical solution? Then if the Bible doesn’t have a solution, how then will christian logic account for the millions of women who are left without husbands?
 
Jermin Savory:
In the name of Allah

RyanL, Howcome you are not answering my Question? Let me restate my Question.

Question: If I agree and also live by the “Not two, three or four Eves” that you have said, then in the Bible, does God have a solution to the problem of the Millions of women who will be without a husband if every man were to marry only one women according to your rule? If he does, then what is the Biblical solution? Then if the Bible doesn’t have a solution, how then will christian logic account for the millions of women who are left without husbands?
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When does God say that everyone has to get married?

For the Judeo/Christian faith, religious life is also a feasible option for those who cannot marry.
 
Jermin Savory:
In the name of Allah

If we technically look at the statistics of man and women, if every man were to peer up with one women, the population of women who will not be with a choice to marry a man would be hudge. In short, Allah knows best thus presented a solution in the Qur’an to a problem he knew we were going to face without his guidance.
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This is a common misconception…in fact the number of men from a global perspective is approximately the same. Men outnumber women up through the 50-54 age group, after which women outnumber men. Another is the disparity between men and women differs from region to region in Asia, near East and North Africa the number of men is even greater than that of women…these regions are predominately Muslim as well so this would go against your point.

census.gov/ipc/prod/wp02/wp-02004.pdf
 
In the name of Allah

Yes Elizabeth, its an honest mistake, Munawar meant to say women, thankyou for your understanding. May Allah guide you for your sincerety.
 
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Mike182d:** When does God say that everyone has to get married?
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Jermin Savory:** There wasn’t a commandment for everyone to get married, but we would surely hope that everyone gets married instead of having sex out of mirrage. God never said that everyone should get married, but my question was, according to the Christian, men are to marry one women and vice. If everyone were to do that, then what will happen to the many women in newyork today that are 7-8 million more than men who will not have a husband. If we were to follow the one women per man rule of the Christian?
 
Jermin Savory:
In the name of Allah

Mike182d: When does God say that everyone has to get married?

Jermin Savory: There wasn’t a commandment for everyone to get married, but we would surely hope that everyone gets married instead of having sex out of mirrage. God never said that everyone should get married, but my question was, according to the Christian, men are to marry one women and vice. If everyone were to do that, then what will happen to the many women in newyork today that are 7-8 million more than men who will not have a husband. If we were to follow the one women per man rule of the Christian?
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Certainly sex within marriage is a much better alternative than sex outside of marriage. 🙂

My point was that God calls some people not to get married, to live a life of celibacy (promoted by Christ Himself) and thus God’s plan is not necessarily dependent upon each person getting married.
 
I notice my question is not being answered by Hlgomez, the Person whom I’ve posed it to, so now i’ll invite any Christian brother or sister to answer it.

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Question: ** If I agree and also live by the “Not two, three or four Eves” that you have said, then in the Bible, does God have a solution to the problem of the Millions of women who will be without a husband if every man were to marry only one women according to your rule? If he does, then what is the Biblical solution? Then if the Bible doesn’t have a solution, how then will christian logic account for the millions of women who are left without husbands?
 
There wasn’t a commandment for everyone to get married, but we would surely hope that everyone gets married instead of having sex out of mirrage. God never said that everyone should get married, but my question was, according to the Christian, men are to marry one women and vice. If everyone were to do that, then what will happen to the many women in newyork today that are 7-8 million more than men who will not have a husband. If we were to follow the one women per man rule of the Christian?
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Whether you’re a woman or a man, if you are to remain single, you must remain chaste all your life. This is the Christ’s teachings.

The “rule” which you are referring is not actually a rule of human beings, but is a design of Almighty God. Look around you where men and women doesn’t want to live a chaste life, and others divorces and remarry, etc. etc. Did it benefit the family especially the children?

Pio
 
Jermin Savory said:
In the name of Allah

Note: Not only does the Qur’an present a solution to the propblem of surplus women, but the Qur’an is the Only Religious Scripture in the world that states, “Marry Only One.”
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Why would you say that? In fact the New Testament makes many references to Mary Only One…for example…

But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 1 Corinthians 7:2-3

1 Corinthians chapter 7 discusses marriage and it is always in the context of “wife” (singular) and “husband” (singular). It does not make sense for the singular words to be used, if it is possible to have more than one wife. If it were acceptable to God to have more than one wife, then the word “wives” would have to have been used here. The wording of 1 Corinthians chapter 7 completely excludes the possibility of polygamy.
 
Jermin Savory:
I notice my question is not being answered by Hlgomez, the Person whom I’ve posed it to, so now i’ll invite any Christian brother or sister to answer it.

**Question: **If I agree and also live by the “Not two, three or four Eves” that you have said, then in the Bible, does God have a solution to the problem of the Millions of women who will be without a husband if every man were to marry only one women according to your rule? If he does, then what is the Biblical solution? Then if the Bible doesn’t have a solution, how then will christian logic account for the millions of women who are left without husbands?
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I already answered it…

This is a common misconception…in fact the number of men from a global perspective is approximately the same. Men outnumber women up through the 50-54 age group, after which women outnumber men. Another is the disparity between men and women differs from region to region in Asia, near East and North Africa the number of men is even greater than that of women…these regions are predominately Muslim as well so this would go against your point.

census.gov/ipc/prod/wp02/wp-02004.pdf
 
In the name of Allah

Deusvult: This is a common misconception…in fact the number of men from a global perspective is approximately the same. Men outnumber women up through the 50-54 age group, after which women outnumber men. Another is the disparity between men and women differs from region to region in Asia, near East and North Africa the number of men is even greater than that of women…these regions are predominately Muslim as well so this would go against your point.

Jermin Savory: This isn’t a good, accurate, logical or consistent answer with what is going on today in the world. Have you been to newyork. The population of women than man is 6 Million. And I can point this out with many other places with where the Women population is grosly larger
than man.
 
Jermin Savory:
In the name of Allah

Deusvult: This is a common misconception…in fact the number of men from a global perspective is approximately the same. Men outnumber women up through the 50-54 age group, after which women outnumber men. Another is the disparity between men and women differs from region to region in Asia, near East and North Africa the number of men is even greater than that of women…these regions are predominately Muslim as well so this would go against your point.

Jermin Savory: This isn’t a good, accurate, logical or consistent answer with what is going on today in the world. Have you been to newyork. The population of women than man is 6 Million. And I can point this out with many other places with where the Women population is grosly larger
than man.
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How is it that you deny the US Census Bureau data…just because when you walk around New York you happen to notice alot of women. I backed up my statement with facts…I will give you this there are 144 Million women to 138 Million men in the US according to 2002 US Census data…but I stated global data. The reason for the disparity in countries like the US is women tend to live longer than men…but women in their 80’s dont tend to get remarried. So your theory is wrong.
 
Jermin Savory:
In the name of Allah

Deusvult: This is a common misconception…in fact the number of men from a global perspective is approximately the same. Men outnumber women up through the 50-54 age group, after which women outnumber men. Another is the disparity between men and women differs from region to region in Asia, near East and North Africa the number of men is even greater than that of women…these regions are predominately Muslim as well so this would go against your point.

Jermin Savory: This isn’t a good, accurate, logical or consistent answer with what is going on today in the world. Have you been to newyork. The population of women than man is 6 Million. And I can point this out with many other places with where the Women population is grosly larger
than man.
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Hi Jerming Savory :tiphat:

May I offer an opinion? You claim that there is an inherent problem when the number of women exceeds the number of men if monogamy is to be adhered to. I don’t see the problem. In the Christian theology it is PERFECTLY OK NOT TO MARRY anyone. That is the solution: if there is no one for you to legitimately marry, then you do not marry. Very simple.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Phil
 
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Deus vult: How is it that you deny the US Census Bureau data…just because when you walk around New York you happen to notice alot of women.
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Jermin Savory:** No, deus, newyork is just one of my examples of women being more than man. I didn’t conclude with my point after taking a walk around newyork and noticing alot of women. I’ve studied statistics and between man and women, I conclude that women are more than men. They live longer, they don’t take part in wars as much as men, and I can continue listing.
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Deus vult:** I backed up my statement with facts…I will give you this there are 144 Million women to 138 Million men in the US according to 2002 US Census data…but I stated global data.

Jermin Savory: According to you “there are 144 Million women to 138 Million men in the US” thank you for proving my point, you are just restating something that i’ve mentioned alread, please go back into my last responses to you and you’ll notice that i’ve stated that there is almost 6-7 million more women than man in newyork.

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Deus vult**: The reason for the disparity in countries like the US is women tend to live longer than men…but women in their 80’s dont tend to get remarried. So your theory is wrong.

Jermin Savory: Deus, I feel that you are frustrated, Why? can’t we have a dialog without your emotions getting envolved? Deus, I’m Curious, what does 80 year olds not tending to remarry have to do with this situation?
 
In the name of Allah

Philthy: May I offer an opinion? You claim that there is an inherent problem when the number of women exceeds the number of men if monogamy is to be adhered to. I don’t see the problem. In the Christian theology it is PERFECTLY OK NOT TO MARRY anyone.

Jermin Savory: Maybe you weren’t here earlier, but a Christian brother told me that you Must marry only one. Then I give the reason why that wouldn’t be sensible. Moreover, I never said that a man has to marry more than one women. Neither did I say that there was something wrong with not getting married. With all respect, you people are not reading my responses!
 
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