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Brad:
The Quran teaches that you are to enslave, convert, or kill non-believers.
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Give us supporting verses so we can clarify your misconceptions.

thx,

deen
 
Jermin and Munawar,

Please do not confuse me with another poster. I have come to you with charity and goodwill, and seek only a civil dialog. I will afford you both the courtesy you show in return - indeed, my faith requires as much and more!

That said, you have almost completely ignored the response that the Christian response to the “more women than men” argument is that some are called *not *to marry. (And yes, I have been reading your posts.) These are what we call the “religious”, or “sisters/brothers/nuns/monks”. They consecrate themselves to God, in the same way as Elija, Elisha, John the Baptist, Jesus, and Mary (all from your tradition).

Arguing that “it won’t happen” or “we’ll worry about it when we get there” is no kind of response. The fact remains that many parts of the world men outnumber the women - are we then bound by the will of Allah to devote much time and expense to either 1. shipping women to these countries or 2. importing men to marry the women? Is this the will of Allah? Have you contributed to this cause?

May the Peace of God be with you,
RyanL
 
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Jermin Savory:
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Maybe you weren’t here earlier, but a Christian brother told me that you Must marry only one. Then I give the reason why that wouldn’t be sensible. Moreover, I never said that a man has to marry more than one women. Neither did I say that there was something wrong with not getting married. With all respect, you people are not reading my responses! **

Jermin,

In other words, once your spouse dies, you can still marry another. But if your spouse still lives, you cannot marry another, or suffer the sin of adultery. When a spouse dies, you are not bound to the former spouse under the law because she is no longer there, so you are free to remarry.

Pio
 
Jermin Savory:
In the name of Allah

Deus vult: How is it that you deny the US Census Bureau data…just because when you walk around New York you happen to notice alot of women.

Jermin Savory: No, deus, newyork is just one of my examples of women being more than man. I didn’t conclude with my point after taking a walk around newyork and noticing alot of women. I’ve studied statistics and between man and women, I conclude that women are more than men. They live longer, they don’t take part in wars as much as men, and I can continue listing.

Deus vult: I backed up my statement with facts…I will give you this there are 144 Million women to 138 Million men in the US according to 2002 US Census data…but I stated global data.

Jermin Savory: According to you “there are 144 Million women to 138 Million men in the US” thank you for proving my point, you are just restating something that i’ve mentioned alread, please go back into my last responses to you and you’ll notice that i’ve stated that there is almost 6-7 million more women than man in newyork.

Deus vult: The reason for the disparity in countries like the US is women tend to live longer than men…but women in their 80’s dont tend to get remarried. So your theory is wrong.

Jermin Savory: Deus, I feel that you are frustrated, Why? can’t we have a dialog without your emotions getting envolved? Deus, I’m Curious, what does 80 year olds not tending to remarry have to do with this situation?
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I am by no means frustrated…and its six million for the US TOTAL not New York in fact the difference in women to men in new york is only several hundred thousand…as far as global population goes there are more men to women not by much…but your argument is that because of the large supposed disparity of women vs men your religion has a plan. I am confused why you think I am emotional…I think you took my walking around New York comment to be sarcastic that was not my intention. As far as my 80 age comment…I was trying to explain the issue of women living longer than men as you mentioned yourself…in my earlier comments I mentioned that only after the 50-54 age group do you see womens population greater than men. Does this not make sense to you? You are just making statements out of thin air and not backing them with fact. I am doing the opposite. There are not more women than men on this planet it is a fact. If you are merely talking about the US…I concede.
 
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elizabeth4truth:
Hi there,

I agree, there are disturbing opinions and laws regarding women in the bible. It is why I think the story of Adam and Eve was interpreted, and gave men the advantage to dominate over women. However, I also believe Muslim men tend toward this also, not in precepts, but in reality, because they are human beings given great power and responsibility that is easily abused.

Thank goodness we have Jesus Christ who came to dispell those myths and unfair treatment. He gave perfect example of how mankind should treat women with dignity, respect and equality. Nowhere in The New Testitment can I find a single word of His that suggests anyone should ever be physically abused.

Last night I found this website. It it very long and I’ve not been able to finish yet. It disturbs me to read that Mohammad (may he rest in peace) taught that it is alright for a husband to beat his wife into submission, if she disagrees with him. Do you know about this site and its authenticity?

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/women2b.htm

Peace to you,
Elizabeth
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Dear Elizabeth,

The website is a favorite one for the anti-Islamists. Obviously it contains many lies about Islam. It has been refuted by this site:

muslim-answers.org/

You already cited one of the lies there when it says that Muhammad (peace be upon him) approved *beating of the wife into submission. *

Abu Hurayrah (one of the companions of the Prophet) related that the Prophet (SAWS) said:

** “The most perfect believer is he whose conduct is best, and the best among you is he who behaves best towards his wife”**

[at-Tirmidhi]

To get the real picture of an ideal Muslim husband, I sincerely adivise you to visit this:

The Ideal Muslim Husband
geocities.com/islamicwayz/The_Ideal_husband.htm

Peace,

deen
 
In the name of Allah

RyanL: These are what we call the “religious”, or “sisters/brothers/nuns/monks”. They consecrate themselves to God, in the same way as Elija, Elisha, John the Baptist, Jesus, and Mary (all from your tradition).

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Jermin Savory:** Is that right according to the law? is that theologically right?

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RyanL:** The fact remains that many parts of the world men outnumber the women - are we then bound by the will of Allah to devote much time and expense to either 1. shipping women to these countries or 2. importing men to marry the women? Is this the will of Allah? Have you contributed to this cause?

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Jermin Savory:**My point is that, overall, women are more than man and this is a fact that can be proven why scientifically and logically with statistics of war and health. They’re only a few countries that men have actually by little outnumber women but my argument is that, the Majority of the worlds countries are overpopulated by women.
 
In the name of Allah

Gomez: In other words, once your spouse dies, you can still marry another. But if your spouse still lives, you cannot marry another, or suffer the sin of adultery. When a spouse dies, you are not bound to the former spouse under the law because she is no longer there, so you are free to remarry.

J****ermin Savory: Your explanation was nice but it is irrelevant to what I was discussion earlier. How could the above be an answer to anything i’ve said?
 
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deen:
Dear Elizabeth,

The website is a favorite one for the anti-Islamists. Obviously it contains many lies about Islam. It has been refuted by this site:

muslim-answers.org/

You already cited one of the lies there when it says that Muhammad (peace be upon him) approved *beating of the wife into submission. *

Abu Hurayrah (one of the companions of the Prophet) related that the Prophet (SAWS) said:

** “The most perfect believer is he whose conduct is best, and the best among you is he who behaves best towards his wife”**

[at-Tirmidhi]

To get the real picture of an ideal Muslim husband, I sincerely adivise you to visit this:

The Ideal Muslim Husband
geocities.com/islamicwayz/The_Ideal_husband.htm

Peace,

deen
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correction…the site that refutes answering-islam is :

answering-christianity.com/beating.htm

thx,

deen
 
In the name of Allah
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Dennis:** is the Qur’an eternal?

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Jermin Savory**: The Holy Qur’an is a unique book with a supreme author (Divine), an eternal message and a universal relevance. Its message is for eternity.Its teachings are not time bound, it is meant for eternity.

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Surah 21:7 **

“We have not sent the, but as a mercy and as a guidance to the whole of humanity.”
 
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deen:
Not a single word in the Qur’an is the word of Muhammad, but all are the words of God. Muhammad actually did not know how to read or write. He recited the Qur’an precisely as it was revealed to him by the angel Gabriel, while his companions, at his direction, recorded it in writing and memorized it. The Qur’an is the direct word of God. Therefore, the Qur’an is the only book we have today that is known to be authored by God alone. There are no other versions of the Qur’an. Although there are many translations of the meaning of the Qur’an, they are not nearly as magnificent and beautiful as the Qur’an’s plain Arabic text. Here is a sample of the Qur’an, chapter 112 of the English translation of it’s meaning:

“In the name of God, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
  1. Say: He is God, The One and Only;
  2. God, The Eternal, Absolute;
  3. He begets not, nor was He begotten;
  4. And there is none comparable unto Him.”
ref: Islam Is by Pete Seda
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deen:
What do you mean? Please elaborate.

peace,

deen
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deen,

What does the underlined portion of your response infer about the Qur’an eternality? You say it is a book directly written by God and given to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel, does this make it eternal? Did it always exist with God?

Peace
 
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Munawar:
Hello Dennis,

Yes - Muslims believe that the Quran - The word of Allah, is eternal.

Munawar
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But I thought alone God is eternal? Are you not attributing an aspect of God to something other than God?

Peace
 
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dennisknapp:
But I thought alone God is eternal? Are you not attributing an aspect of God to something other than God?

Peace
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The Quran is the word of GOD.GOD speaking directly to man about his relation with GOD and his relation with other.
peace
 
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straightpath:
Not only are there many misconceptions but many like to spread what they know is not truth rather than discuss and ask.Many will deliberately go and seek info from anti muslim channels and push that to make others beleive that is truth.
There are many similarities and differences between the Three Abrahamic religions : Judaism , Islam and Christianity.Many Like to push what actions muslms do and try to convince others that is islam.And when they will get countered and exposed they get rather agressive.many would not even read the Quran and find the truth but would rarther spread lies and hearsay.
Like a christian scholar said recently after a discussion with a Muslim scholar.About Chrsitianity, the Christian scholar was very impressed with the knowledge about christianity and also of the professionalism and scholarliness of the muslim scholar.He inivted him to come and talk about islam in his circle.He said “is it wrong to talk about islam without a muslim being present and it is better to hear about Islam from a muslim”
Wise man
So look forward to some decent dialogue from this end.
Peace to all
Straightpath
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I have read the Quran and many books about the Quran. its the legal abuse against women and anyone who does not believe the way they believe that not only sickens me but frightens me.
 
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straightpath:
The Quran is the word of GOD.GOD speaking directly to man about his relation with GOD and his relation with other.
peace
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If the Qur’an is eternal and exists apart from God do you not have two eternal entities existing? God and the Qur’an?

Peace
 
Hello out there and peace to you all,

I have another question. Did the prophet Mohammad (may he rest in peace) every write that Jesus is definitely not the Son of God? If so, can you tell me where it is written?

Thank you,

Elizabeth
 
In the name of Allah

Dennis: But I thought alone God is eternal? Are you not attributing an aspect of God to something other than God?

Jermin Savory: You are confusing yourself. We as Muslims believe in the Qur’an to be the world of Allah, thus Allah’s words are eternal, which means it is not time bound or restricted to a certain group of people in time. It will be followed for the rest of eternity. And no Dennis, Allah’s word is not an attribute.
 
Jermin Savory:
The Holy Qur’an is a unique book with a supreme author (Divine), an eternal message and a universal relevance. Its message is for eternity.Its teachings are not time bound, it is meant for eternity.
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Dear Jermin Savory,

What about when God talked to Moses (may he rest in peace)? Are the writings of Mohammad (may he rest in peace) the same as when He gave the 10 Commandments to the Jewish people?

Thank you and peace,
Elizabeth
 
Can someone please tell me why your faith thinks that it is ok for a man to beat his wife(s) and why she is treated like property. i have known a muslimah and her husband before. after befriending her and learning about her faith, i can honestly say i thank GOD and CHRIST and MARY and the HOLY SPIRIT that i am married to a GOD FEARING CATHOLIC man, who loves and cherishes and respects me. why does the Muslam (Islamis) faith teach that this is ok?? why are women not allowed to be free, to be individuals, to think and feel and act and do. why do they have to cover their bodies that God made for them? please explain this to me.
 
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