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Deen and Munawar,

WANT MORE?

HERE IT IS:

Jesus Christ is WorshipedRev. 4:9-11; 5:8,12-14; 7:11-12 - both Jesus and the Father are worshiped. The Greek word for worship is “proskuneo” which always means the worship of God.

Matt. 2:2,11 - the magi who came to see the newborn Jesus came to worship Him.

Matt. 8:2 - a leper came to Jesus and worshiped Him without rebuke.

Matt. 14:33 - the apostles who were in the boat worshiped Jesus without rebuke.

Matt. 28:9 - Jesus’ disciples took His feet and worshiped Him without rebuke.

Matt. 28:17 - Jesus’ disciples saw Him and then worshiped Him.

Mark 5:6 - the man with the unclean spirit ran to Jesus and worshiped Him.

Luke 1:11 - Mary accepts Elizabeth’s declaration “the Mother of my Lord” = the Mother of my God (Elizabeth used the word “Adonai” which means “Lord God”).

Luke 24:52 - as Jesus ascended into heaven, the apostles worshiped Him.

John 9:38 - the blind man who was cured by Jesus worshiped Him.

John 20:28 - Jesus accepts Thomas’ statement “My Lord and my God!” Literally, “the Lord of me and the God of me!” (in Greek, “Ho Kurios mou kai ho Theos mou”).

Pio
 
Deen and Munawar,

I’ll give you more:

Old and New Testament Parallels of God the Father and God the Son

Exodus 3:14 - God says “I AM who I AM” - John 8:58 - Jesus says “Before Abraham was, I AM” in reference to Himself.

Deut. 4:2; 12:32 - the Lord God commands that we not add or take away from His word - Rev. 22:18-19 - Jesus so commands us not to add or take away from His word.

*Deut. 32:39; 1 Sam. 2:6 - the Lord kills and makes alive again and raises up - John 5:21 - the Son raises and gives life. *

Deut. 32:39 - neither is there any that can deliver out of God’s hand - John 10:28 - nor shall any pluck out of Jesus’ hand.

*Deut. 32:43 - rejoice, ye heavens, with Him, and let all the angels of God worship Him - Heb. 1:6 - the “Him” is Jesus the Son. *

2 Sam. 22:3 - God is the horn of salvation - Luke 1:68-69 - Jesus is the horn of salvation.

*Psalm 19:7 - the law of the Lord is perfect - Gal. 6:2 - fulfill the law of Christ. *

Psalm 24:10 - the Lord is the King of glory - 1 Cor. 2:8 - Jesus is the Lord of glory.

*Psalm 45:7 - Therefore God, your God, has anointed you. God calls someone else God. This someone else is His eternally begotten Son - Heb. 1:9 - Therefore God, your God, has anointed you. cf. Heb. 1:8, 10. *

Psalm 62:12 - the Lord God renders to each according to his work - Matt. 16:27; Rev. 22:12 - Jesus so renders to each according to his work.

*Psalm 71:5 - the Lord God is our hope - 1 Tim. 1:1 - the Lord Jesus Christ who is our hope. *

Psalm 89:27 – I will make him the first-born, the highest (“elyon” which refers to God) of the kings of the earth - John 18:36-27 – Jesus is this first-born king.

*Psalm 97:9 - the Lord God is above all - John 3:31 - Jesus is above all. *

Psalms 110:1 - the Lord (Yahweh) said to my Lord - Jesus = Yhwh - Acts 2:34-36 - God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ.

*Psalm 148:1-2 - the angels worship the Lord God - Heb. 1:6 - the angels worship Jesus. Only God is worshiped. *

Prov. 3:12 - who the Lord loves He corrects - Rev. 3:19 - who Jesus loves He corrects.

*Isaiah 7:14 - a virgin will bear a Son named Emmanuel which means “God is with us” - Matt. 1:23 - this Son is Jesus Christ, God in the flesh. *

Isaiah 9:6 - the child to be born shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

*Isaiah 25:8 - God swallows up death in victory - 2 Tim. 1:10 - Jesus abolishes death and brings life and immortality. *

Isaiah 40:8 - the Word of God shall stand forever - Matt. 24:35 - the Words of Jesus shall not pass away.

*Isaiah 42:8 - God gives His glory to no other - John 17:5; Heb. 1:3 - yet Jesus has the same glory as the Father. *

Isaiah 43:14 - the Lord God is redeemer - Titus 2:14 - Jesus is the redeemer.

***Isaiah 44:6 - the Lord God is the first and the last - Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13 - Jesus is the first and the last. ***

Isaiah 45:19 - I, the Lord God, did not speak in secret - John 18:20 - Jesus said “I have said nothing secretly.”

***Isaiah 45:23 - to God, every knee shall bow and every tongue swear. Phil. 2:10-11 - at Jesus’ name every knee should bow and tongue confess. ***

Isaiah 48:17 - God is the Holy One - Acts 3:14 - Jesus is the Holy One.

*Isaiah 60:19 - God is everlasting light - Revelation 21:23 - Jesus the Lamb is eternal light. *

Jer. 17:10 - the Lord searches the hearts and repays us according to our deeds - Rev. 2:23 - Jesus searches the hearts and repays us according to our deeds.

*Ezek. 1:26-28; Daniel 7:9 - God’s glorious appearance - Rev. 1:13-16 - Jesus’ glorious appearance. *

Ezek. 34:11-31 - God the Father is the shepherd of the flock - John 10:7-29 - Jesus is the shepherd of the flock.

*Ezek. 34:16 - God seeks to save that which was lost - Luke 19:10 - Jesus seeks to save that which was lost. *

Ezek. 34:17 - God judges between cattle, rams and goats - Matt. 25:32 - Jesus judges and separates the goats from the sheep.

Ezek. 43:2 - God’s voice was like a noise of many waters - Rev. 1:15 - Jesus’ voice was like the sound of many waters. Dan. 2:47 - the Lord is the God of gods and the Lord of Lords - Rev. 17:14 - Jesus the Lamb is the Lord of Lords.

Pio
 
hlgomez said:
Munawar,

I’ll give you more:

Old and New Testament Parallels of God the Father and God the Son
Exodus 3:14 - God says “I AM who I AM” - John 8:58 - Jesus says “Before Abraham was, I AM” in reference to Himself.

Deut. 4:2; 12:32 - the Lord God commands that we not add or take away from His word - Rev. 22:18-19 - Jesus so commands us not to add or take away from His word.

Deut. 32:39; 1 Sam. 2:6 - the Lord kills and makes alive again and raises up - John 5:21 - the Son raises and gives life.

Deut. 32:39 - neither is there any that can deliver out of God’s hand - John 10:28 - nor shall any pluck out of Jesus’ hand.

Deut. 32:43 - rejoice, ye heavens, with Him, and let all the angels of God worship Him - Heb. 1:6 - the “Him” is Jesus the Son.

2 Sam. 22:3 - God is the horn of salvation - Luke 1:68-69 - Jesus is the horn of salvation.

Psalm 19:7 - the law of the Lord is perfect - Gal. 6:2 - fulfill the law of Christ.

Psalm 24:10 - the Lord is the King of glory - 1 Cor. 2:8 - Jesus is the Lord of glory.

Psalm 45:7 - Therefore God, your God, has anointed you. God calls someone else God. This someone else is His eternally begotten Son - Heb. 1:9 - Therefore God, your God, has anointed you. cf. Heb. 1:8, 10.

Psalm 62:12 - the Lord God renders to each according to his work - Matt. 16:27; Rev. 22:12 - Jesus so renders to each according to his work.

Psalm 71:5 - the Lord God is our hope - 1 Tim. 1:1 - the Lord Jesus Christ who is our hope.

Psalm 89:27 – I will make him the first-born, the highest (“elyon” which refers to God) of the kings of the earth - John 18:36-27 – Jesus is this first-born king.

Psalm 97:9 - the Lord God is above all - John 3:31 - Jesus is above all.

Psalms 110:1 - the Lord (Yahweh) said to my Lord - Jesus = Yhwh - Acts 2:34-36 - God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ.

Psalm 148:1-2 - the angels worship the Lord God - Heb. 1:6 - the angels worship Jesus. Only God is worshiped.

Prov. 3:12 - who the Lord loves He corrects - Rev. 3:19 - who Jesus loves He corrects.

Isaiah 7:14 - a virgin will bear a Son named Emmanuel which means “God is with us” - Matt. 1:23 - this Son is Jesus Christ, God in the flesh.

Isaiah 9:6 - the child to be born shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 25:8 - God swallows up death in victory - 2 Tim. 1:10 - Jesus abolishes death and brings life and immortality.

Isaiah 40:8 - the Word of God shall stand forever - Matt. 24:35 - the Words of Jesus shall not pass away.

Isaiah 42:8 - God gives His glory to no other - John 17:5; Heb. 1:3 - yet Jesus has the same glory as the Father.

Isaiah 43:14 - the Lord God is redeemer - Titus 2:14 - Jesus is the redeemer.

Isaiah 44:6 - the Lord God is the first and the last - Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13 - Jesus is the first and the last.

Isaiah 45:19 - I, the Lord God, did not speak in secret - John 18:20 - Jesus said “I have said nothing secretly.”

Isaiah 45:23 - to God, every knee shall bow and every tongue swear. Phil. 2:10-11 - at Jesus’ name every knee should bow and tongue confess.

Isaiah 48:17 - God is the Holy One - Acts 3:14 - Jesus is the Holy One.

Isaiah 60:19 - God is everlasting light - Revelation 21:23 - Jesus the Lamb is eternal light.

Jer. 17:10 - the Lord searches the hearts and repays us according to our deeds - Rev. 2:23 - Jesus searches the hearts and repays us according to our deeds.

Ezek. 1:26-28; Daniel 7:9 - God’s glorious appearance - Rev. 1:13-16 - Jesus’ glorious appearance.

Ezek. 34:11-31 - God the Father is the shepherd of the flock - John 10:7-29 - Jesus is the shepherd of the flock.

Ezek. 34:16 - God seeks to save that which was lost - Luke 19:10 - Jesus seeks to save that which was lost.

Ezek. 34:17 - God judges between cattle, rams and goats - Matt. 25:32 - Jesus judges and separates the goats from the sheep.

Ezek. 43:2 - God’s voice was like a noise of many waters - Rev. 1:15 - Jesus’ voice was like the sound of many waters. Dan. 2:47 - the Lord is the God of gods and the Lord of Lords - Rev. 17:14 - Jesus the Lamb is the Lord of Lords.

Pio
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PIO YOU ARE THE MAN!! OR THE WOMAN!! WHICH EVER, YOU ROCKED IT! 👍 GO PIO :dancing: GO PIO :dancing: GO PIO :dancing:
 
now that you answered some of their questions, maybe they will answer some of ours. 😉
 
LuigiColetta said:
ءﺎﻴﻌﺷﺃ 17Does this mean 17 John in Arabic? (It is Modern Standard dialect of the Arabic, Standard language)

Got my answer, it is Isaiah, not John…

ﺎﻨﺣﻮﻳ is John…
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actually, john in arabic is yahyaa ( يحيى ).
 
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r.gonzales:
actually, john in arabic is yahyaa ( يحيى ).
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So what does this second name mean? The second one I thought was John? (I made it larger, for Arabic is difficult to distinguish so small)

ﺎﻨﺣﻮﻳ

I found on the internet these names. Is it possible that it is a different dialect? Of were I found them, it says that “This IBS translation of the Arabic Bible is for the Modern Standard dialect of the Arabic, Standard language, which is primarily used in the Middle East. An estimated 144 million people speak this language as their mother tongue.” These are the names of the four Gospels…
ﻰﺘﻣ - Mathew
ﺲﻗﺮﻣ - Mark
ﺎﻗﻮﻟ - Luke
ﺎﻨﺣﻮﻳ - John

Is it just wrong, or a different dialect?
 
Maryam V.:
Hi, Elizabeth

The Muslim’s woman dress is called “hijaab” although, per Islamic law, the Hijaab encompasses more than the woman’s dress, but we will, Godwilling, discuss that later. The hijaab is the dress of the Muslim woman which she wears when she goes out in public or when she is in the presence of men whom she is allowed to marry. The hijaab should cover her from head to toe, showing only her face and hands - although I am sure you have seen some who cover their faces as well showing only their eyes.

Yes, there are many who, when they see the Muslim woman in proper hijaab, they sort of think these Muslim women are oppressed. Elizabeth, believe me, I have never felt more liberated until I embraced Islam and understood the meaning of this hijaab.

Most importantly, it is part of my worship of my Creator- this wearing of the hijaab. It is His command for the Muslim woman to do so - so that she is known to be a believing woman and so that she is not molested, it’s for her protection. If I may say so, there are Muslimah’s, of course, who choose not to don the hijaab - Islamically, they are sinning, but it is between themselves and their Creator.

I feel liberated because I do not have to dress according to the dictates of the latest fashion. Men and women have to establish their prayers. Women though are not obliged to always pray in a mosque and in a congregation as men are. She is welcome to go pray in a mosque if she wishes. In a congregation, she prays alongside other women, who are behind the men.
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Who says that we “dress according to the latest fashions”? Though I agree that there are many women out there whose clothes leave little to the immagination, I don’t agree that being forced to wear a long robe constitutes virtue.So you have to be told how to dress in order to feel liberated???:confused: Forced virtue is not real virtue. Real virtue is when a woman dresses modestly because she knows that is the proper way to dress, regardless of whether others do or not. As a Catholic and a Christian, I always dress modestly, and I do it of my own free will! That is true liberation!
 
This is John 1:18 in a dialect in Arabic. It is what John, a follower and Apostle of Jesus was instructed to write.

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فِي الْبَدْءِ كَانَ الْكَلِمَةُ، وَالْكَلِمَةُ كَانَ عِنْدَ اللهِ. وَكَانَ الْكَلِمَةُ هُوَ اللهُ . 2هُوَ كَانَ فِي الْبَدْءِ عِنْدَ اللهِ. 3بِهِ تَكَوَّنَ كُلُّ شَيْءٍ، وَبِغَيْرِهِ لَمْ يَتَكَوَّنْ أَيُّ شَيْءٍ مِمَّا تَكَوَّنَ. 4فِيهِ كَانَتِ الْحَيَاةُ. وَالْحَيَاةُ هَذِهِ كَانَتِ نُورَ النَّاسِ. 5وَالنُّورُ يُضِيءُ فِي الظَّلاَمِ، وَالظَّلاَمُ لَمْ يُدْرِكْ النُّورَ.

6ظَهَرَ إِنْسَانٌ أَرْسَلَهُ اللهُ ، اسْمُهُ يُوحَنَّا، 7جَاءَ يَشْهَدُ لِلنُّورِ، مِنْ أَجْلِ أَنْ يُؤْمِنَ الْجَمِيعُ بِوَاسِطَتِهِ. 8لَمْ يَكُنْ هُوَ النُّورَ، بَلْ كَانَ شَاهِداً لِلنُّورِ، 9فَالنُّورُ الْحَقُّ الَّذِي يُنِيرُ كُلَّ إِنْسَانٍ كَانَ آتِياً إِلَى الْعَالَمِ. 10كَانَ فِي الْعَالَمِ، وَبِهِ تَكَوَّنَ الْعَالَمُ، وَلَمْ يَعْرِفْهُ الْعَالَمُ. 11وَقَدْ جَاءَ إِلَى مَنْ كَانُوا خَاصَّتَهُ، وَلَكِنَّ هَؤُلاَءِ لَمْ يَقْبَلُوهُ. 12أَمَّا الَّذِينَ قَبِلُوهُ، أَيِ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِاسْمِهِ، فَقَدْ مَنَحَهُمُ الْحَقَّ فِي أَنْ يَصِيرُوا أَوْلاَدَ اللهِ، 13وَهُمُ الَّذِينَ وُلِدُوا لَيْسَ مِنْ دَمٍ، وَلاَ مِنْ رَغْبَةِ جَسَدٍ، وَلاَ مِنْ رَغْبَةِ بَشَرٍ، بَلْ مِنَ اللهِ.

يوحنا يشهد ليسوع

14وَالْكَلِمَةُ صَارَ بَشَراً، وَخَيَّمَ بَيْنَنَا، وَنَحْنُ رَأَيْنَا مَجْدَهُ، مَجْدَ ابْنٍ وَحِيدٍ عِنْدَ الآبِ، وَهُوَ مُمْتَلِىءٌ بِالنِّعْمَةِ وَالْحَقِّ. 15شَهِدَ لَهُ يُوحَنَّا فَهَتَفَ قَائِلاً: «هَذَا هُوَ الَّذِي قُلْتُ عَنْهُ: إِنَّ الآتِيَ بَعْدِي مُتَقَدِّمٌ عَلَيَّ، لأَنَّهُ كَانَ قَبْلَ أَنْ أُوْجَدَ». 16فَمِنِ امْتِلاَئِهِ أَخَذْنَا جَمِيعُنَا وَنِلْنَا نِعْمَةً عَلَى نِعْمَةٍ، 17لأَنَّ الشَّرِيعَةَ أُعْطِيَتْ عَلَى يَدِ مُوسَى، أَمَّا النِّعْمَةُ وَالْحَقُّ فَقَدْ تَوَاجَدَا بِيَسُوعَ الْمَسِيحِ. 18مَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ رَأَى اللهَ قَطُّ. وَلَكِنَّ الابْنَ الْوَحِيدَ، الَّذِي فِي حِضْنِ الآبِ، هُوَ الَّذِي كَشَفَ عَنْهُ.
 
Deen, if you understand this dialect of Arabic, I can repost my verses of the Gospel of John in Arabic, and you can then respond in English (or Italian, or Polish, but I won’t understand Arabic)

thx,
Luigi
 
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LuigiColetta:
So what does this second name mean? The second one I thought was John? (I made it larger, for Arabic is difficult to distinguish so small)

ﺎﻨﺣﻮﻳ

I found on the internet these names. Is it possible that it is a different dialect? Of were I found them, it says that “This IBS translation of the Arabic Bible is for the Modern Standard dialect of the Arabic, Standard language, which is primarily used in the Middle East. An estimated 144 million people speak this language as their mother tongue.” These are the names of the four Gospels…
ﻰﺘﻣ - Mathew
ﺲﻗﺮﻣ - Mark
ﺎﻗﻮﻟ - Luke
ﺎﻨﺣﻮﻳ - John

Is it just wrong, or a different dialect?
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those appear to be arabic transliterations of the english pronunciations.

if those were to be read in arabic they’d be pronounced:
mataa
marqs
lookaa
joonaa

this might be the way they’re spelled in arabic bibles, but the name john in arabic is yahyaa as i’ve posted.

as for the passages you’ve posted in arabic, from what i’ve read, they seem to be basic standard arabic. but maybe someone who knows the language better than i can confirm or correct as my arabic isn’t the greatest.

edit: i’ve reread the passages and it seems that those passages were translated from english into arabic and that whoever translated it tried to keep the sentence structure the same as how it is in the english… the grammar isn’t the greatest from what i can tell. but like i said, my arabic isn’t that great either, so… :rolleyes:
 
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r.gonzales:
those appear to be arabic transliterations of the english pronunciations. …edit: i’ve reread the passages and it seems that those passages were translated from english into arabic and that whoever translated it tried to keep the sentence structure the same as how it is in the english… the grammar isn’t the greatest from what i can tell. but like i said, my arabic isn’t that great either, so… :rolleyes:
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Thanks, at least it tells me that I cannot really use this translation…I will have to keep searching.

In His loving Peace,

Luigi
 
I’m jumping in late here, but I do have a question that hasn’t been answered:

Earlier in the thread there was a discussion about polygamy and one of the posters gave a utilitarian defense of the practice: i.e. that there are more women than men in the world so polygamy should be allowed. This has been refuted, but even if we grant that there are more women than men that still leaves a question. What theological reasons does Islam offer for polygamy?

Christianity offers strong theological reasons for monogamy and the consecrated life. It seems to me that polygamy by its very nature denies the equal human status of women. I also don’t see how men could have proper respect for women when boys are raised in households where their father does not make their mother the most important woman in his life.

I would very much appreciate it if one of our Muslim posters on this board could address these issues.
 
Jermin Savory:
In the name of Allah

Balla: I too, have noticed a lot of bad information concerning Islam on this Forum… As some one who would like to learn about Islam with a open mind – I am glad you are here.

Jermin Savory: Balla, if you wish to learn the truth about islam from people who live it and know it, please feel free to visit whyislam.org, there is where you’ll get answers to your questions. Looking foward to seeing you, my name is Jermin Savory on whyislam.org Also.
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Thankyou – and I will take a look…
 
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deen:
In other words…There is still no statement from Jesus himself that he is divine. Thanks for proving that. No wonder there is a lot of conversions from Christianity to Islam. Please see “Why Islam” thread.

peace,

deen
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You know what I think, Deen, that you’ve made up your mind not to believe that Jesus Christ is truly God, no matter what anybody tries to tell you, because if you were to accept that, you’d also have to accept the fact that Mohammed was a false prophet!
 
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Booklover:
You know what I think, Deen, that you’ve made up your mind not to believe that Jesus Christ is truly God, no matter what anybody tries to tell you, because if you were to accept that, you’d also have to accept the fact that Mohammed was a false prophet!
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That’s been pretty obvious for a while…
 
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Booklover:
You know what I think, Deen, that you’ve made up your mind not to believe that Jesus Christ is truly God, no matter what anybody tries to tell you, because if you were to accept that, you’d also have to accept the fact that Mohammed was a false prophet!
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Deen has been suspended, finally. He wont listen to anyone no matter what. i told him i would pray for him. and he told me he would pray for me too. he would pray that i would die in a state of islam, cause it would be hard to be burned/barbequed in the fires of hell for eternity. hes far to volitale. all we can do is pray for him.

God Bless,
Tara
 
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TarAshly:
Deen has been suspended, finally. He wont listen to anyone no matter what. i told him i would pray for him. and he told me he would pray for me too. he would pray that i would die in a state of islam, cause it would be hard to be burned/barbequed in the fires of hell for eternity. hes far to volitale. all we can do is pray for him. God Bless,Tara
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I am sorry to hear he felt that way…we should all pray for our Muslim brothers and sisters. As far as his comments to you Tara…I think it goes without saying but from what I can see from your comments on this thread and others you are truly blessed and one of Gods children. God Bless you and Peace Be With You…looking forward to reading your continued postings.
 
PIO YOU ARE THE MAN!! OR THE WOMAN!! WHICH EVER, YOU ROCKED IT! 👍 GO PIO :dancing: GO PIO :dancing: GO PIO :dancing:
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Thanks TarAshly, and praise be to our Thrice Holy God!

The only way to refute falsehood is to expose it. Christ is the only Truth. May the Lord have mercy on the souls of our muslim brothers who continually persecute the Son of God who came to die for them as well. May his merciful light shine upon them.

Humbly,

Pio
 
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