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Lisa4Catholics
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Well I guess you have no answers for it:nope:Deen I have posts up there I would like you to answer if you will.Oh,I write boldly not to be confused with yelling
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fatuma
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OK…- the US does what it feels is in it’s best interests, this is the same for ever nation on earth. I don’t know why they support these countries, by it is probably to their advantage
- to follow islam, a muslim’s source is the Quran and the sunnah( this is sayings or actions of God’s messenger(pbuh) beacuse he practiced what the Quran preaches)
- Ryan, please don’t be upset with deen, in islam when one muslim sees another muslim doing something that is displeasing to God, they are cammanded to correct them in the most kindest manner possible. beacuse on the day of judgement you could be held acountable for not teaching them the right way. also muslims consider ourselves veil to each other, we cover up the mistakes ( as long as they are not grave sins), simple human mistakes of one another and not expose them, and on the day of judgement, God will cover up your mistakes for you when you are being judged. I believe that may be the reason why he said what he said, if i am mistaken i fully take this statement back and seek deen’s forgiveness.
- i don’t have time now but i will get back to the heaven question.
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Faith101
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The Eurasian:
Although it doesn tmake sense in english, the WE is commonly used in arabic to denote power…not always plurality.
Here is a verse where God tells us about his oneness
“Say: HE is Allah, the One and Only
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten
And there is none like unto Him” (chapter 112)
And this one is God telling us about the trinity
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (Chapter #4, Verse #171)
Muslims dont make up anything about God. What we know about Him is only what He has revealed to us—and it contains NONE of our own personal ideas.
Although it doesn tmake sense in english, the WE is commonly used in arabic to denote power…not always plurality.
Here is a verse where God tells us about his oneness
“Say: HE is Allah, the One and Only
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten
And there is none like unto Him” (chapter 112)
And this one is God telling us about the trinity
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (Chapter #4, Verse #171)
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GregoryPalamas
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To my fellow Christians,
Based upon the Muslim posts here you should be getting a clear picture of what you have to contend with. I bet you thought fundamentalis Protestants and Trad Catholics were cock sure about everything didn’t you. They are gross compromisers in comparison to a faithful Muslim.
Actually, I’d rather converse with a faithful Muslim than with an Atheist. At least they believe something. As long as they aren’t plotting the overthrow of my country or plotting my death, I will happily converse with them.
Dan L
Based upon the Muslim posts here you should be getting a clear picture of what you have to contend with. I bet you thought fundamentalis Protestants and Trad Catholics were cock sure about everything didn’t you. They are gross compromisers in comparison to a faithful Muslim.
Actually, I’d rather converse with a faithful Muslim than with an Atheist. At least they believe something. As long as they aren’t plotting the overthrow of my country or plotting my death, I will happily converse with them.
Dan L
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Feanaro
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Has anyone here heard of Craig Winn? He is an expert on Islam, after studying not only the quran, but also the other early writings about Muhammid (Hadith). After 9/11 he dedicated his life to learning the truth about Islam (even to the point of meeting with terrorists at gunpoint) and what he found is scary. Although he also has anti-Catholic leanings, his study on Islam is all based on their own writings and history. He wrote two books, “Tea With Terrorists” and “Prophet of Doom” which can both be read online via his website. His website also has a lot of other good resources. Here it is for anyone who is interested:
prophetofdoom.net/
prophetofdoom.net/
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The_Eurasian
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Faith 101
Jesus is a prophet of the Muslims, correct???
Where is the body of Jesus today in the Islam belief?
Where is the soul of Jesus today in the Islam belief?
Jesus is a prophet of the Muslims, correct???
Where is the body of Jesus today in the Islam belief?
Where is the soul of Jesus today in the Islam belief?
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RyanL
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fatuma,
I understand what you are saying, but this is still disrespectfull. Perhaps it is cultural, so I will explain:
- I apologized for my fellow Catholic because we are one in the Body of Christ.
- As members of the Body of Christ, we are also bound to correct, instruct, and make ammends for our family - in christianity, we are all family. Like you, we also believe that God will hold us accountable for what we permit our brothers and sisters to do. By apologizing for him, I was correcting him implicitly and trying to present our family in a more understanding light.
- When deen attempted to reprimand me, it was as if he came into my house to tell me how I should interact within my family. Since deen is not of my family, his advice not welcome. I am accountable to my family alone, with God our Father and my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Peace be with you,
RyanL
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USCatholic
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Catholics, Protestants, Hindus, trees worshippers…every living being now know what Islam is all about: Hate, Sex and Killing.
Again, brainwashed people can’t see the truth because… they are BRAINWASHED !!
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fatuma
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peace be with you RyanL
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RyanL
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And also with you!
RyanL
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tmaconway
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Dan is incorrect. Islam is worse than that. It’s a grand trickery perpetrated by Satan himself. What else can you believe about the death cult called Islam.
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tmaconway
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I think the Rolling Stones called that “Sympathy for the Devil”.
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tmaconway
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The Rolling Stones called that “Sympathy for the Devil”.
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deen
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I suggest you educate yourself first before severely attack Islam. Let me spoon feed you :
Catholic theologian Hans Kung said:
"First, we Christians can no longer look upon Islam as a path to hell – as did the earlier Catholic teaching and as many conservative Protestant churches still do today. Rather, we should view it as one possible path to eternal life (which, since Vatican II, is possible for the Catholic Church, but is still disputed by some within the World Council of Churches). Islam, too, is therefore a path of salvation.
Second, we may no longer dismiss the prophet Muhammad as a false prophet, but rather must pay conscientious attention to his prophetic function, which has been extraordinarily successful in bringing hundreds of millions of human beings who live in the gigantic area between North Africa and the Soviet Usbekistan and from there to Indonesia to the faith in one God. Muhammad, therefore, is a post-Christian prophet, a “warner” of the one God of Abraham.
Third, we may not discredit the Qur’an as a derivative mixture from old Arabic-Jewish-Christian ideas, but rather we should place its obvious power as the word of God for the faithful in a correct light: the Qur’an is an effective word of the all-forgiving, merciful God for believing Muslims."
[A Christian Scholar’s Dialogue with Muslims by Hans Kung http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1920]
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deen
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Here is another educational material for you:
Here are some key excerpts from the article Pope John Paul II and Islam --and the advice that it contains is certainly worth taking to heart:
John Paul II spearheaded a move by the Catholic Church towards respect conciliation and, most of all, dialogue with the Islamic faith, confident in the ethical values Catholics and Muslims share.
On the subject of Islam, the relevant entry in the 1912 edition of the Catholic Encyclopaedia, with its dire warnings against the “moral laxity and depraved sensualism of the Mohammedans” whose moral standards are “far inferior to those of Judaism and even more inferior to those of the New Testament”, clearly draws inspiration from a view of the Islamic world that was widespread in Europe during the nineteenth century.
The Church now regarded Muslims “with esteem”, the Declaration said, highlighting how they “adore the one God” and revere the figures of Jesus and Mary. In a turnaround from earlier views, the Declaration also pointed out how Muslims “value the moral life”, and made a call “to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding” and to work together for “social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom”.
Pope John Paul II never seemed to feel threatened by Islam. Indeed the Pope’s frequent references to metaphysical parallels between the two faiths, were backed by a confidence in the ethical values Catholics and Muslims share. In fact, the Pope could rest confident in Islam’s decisive stance on such questions as abortion and euthanasia, and its belief in family values not markedly different from his own; not markedly different, that is, when compared with those of an increasingly secularised western society which he and many other Catholics criticised frequently in terms not far-distant from the "moral laxity and depraved sensualism
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GregoryPalamas
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That’s why most people know that Kung is full of … His teachings have been condemned as false. I’m not interested in defending or attacking the Qur’an. It would lead down to a dead end.
What I would contend is that Islam has allowed so much corruption and encouraged so much brutality over the centuries that is is problematic whether Islam can clean up its act and be respected by the world’s citizens in any serious way.
How can it be that one religion has for its entire existence produced such sublime accomplishments as Islam has and such evil brutality? I don’t know how it can be done, but descent Muslims have a major job on their hands. You have to clean up the legacy of evil that people called Muslims have strewn all over the world. For the sake of world peace I hope you can do it. If not, and I don’t believe you can, I pray that you will be humble enough to convert to Christ.
Dan L
What I would contend is that Islam has allowed so much corruption and encouraged so much brutality over the centuries that is is problematic whether Islam can clean up its act and be respected by the world’s citizens in any serious way.
How can it be that one religion has for its entire existence produced such sublime accomplishments as Islam has and such evil brutality? I don’t know how it can be done, but descent Muslims have a major job on their hands. You have to clean up the legacy of evil that people called Muslims have strewn all over the world. For the sake of world peace I hope you can do it. If not, and I don’t believe you can, I pray that you will be humble enough to convert to Christ.
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deen
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Then don’t blame Islam then. LET US blame those who have misterprested the sources for their selfish desire. Islam is for human dignity and honor.
peace,
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deen
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Are you also against the late Pope’s statement about Islam?
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deen
This Kung guy is condemned by the Church, so your quote is irrelevant.
Popes are most of the time “politically correct” when it comes to publicly expressing their views towards other beliefs.
No pope will come out and condemn openly the teachings of Islam. He leaves this to other people. Not that Popes are lying, but they stop short of expressing their opinion in public.
Being international renowned figures, Popes are also diplomats, and diplomats are careful in the public arena. They do not want to irritate people, especially barbaric creatures like the Muslims, who can blow up the Vatican by sending a suicide bomber, a 72-Virgins-seeker.
On the other hand, Popes try to reconcile all human beings, regardless of their beliefs, in the hope of creating a mutual understanding that may lead to a peaceful world.
But nothing good should be expected from Islam, because its essence is HATE, not love.
Lucky are those non-Muslims who are living in these times, for they are watching brainwashing in action.
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deen
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You bet your belief on this? What if I give you **tons of goodness ** from Islam? Will you still remain a BIGOT?
deen
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