This is The REAL Islam

[USCatholic]

PART 3:

Qur’an 4:159 “And there is none of the People of the Book but will believe in him (Jesus as only a messenger of Allah and a human being) before his (Jesus’) death. He will be a witness against them.”

Qur’an 5:77 “Say (Muhammad): ‘People of the Book, do not overstep the bounds in your religion, or follow the people who erred and led many astray. Cursed are the unbelievers among the Children of Israel by David and Jesus… They do vile things, allying themselves with the infidels so that Allah’s indignation is upon them and in torment they will suffer for all eternity.” [Another translation reads:] “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.”

Qur’an 5:80 “You see many of them allying themselves with the unbelieving infidels. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah’s wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.” Qur’an 5:81 “If only they had believed in Allah, in the Prophet, and in what had been revealed to him.”

Qur’an 5:82 “You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.”

Qur’an 5:110 “And God will say: ‘O Jesus! Recount My favor to you and to your mother. Behold! I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in the prime of life. Behold! I taught you the law and the judgment, the Torah and the Gospel. And behold, you made out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird and you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission. And you healed those born blind by My permission and the lepers by My permission. And behold! You raised forth the dead by My permission. And behold! I did restrain the Jews from harming you when you came with clear proofs. And the unbelievers among the Jews said: ‘This is nothing but magic.’”

Qur’an 5:111 “Behold! I inspired the [Christian] disciples to have faith in Me and My Messenger. They said, ‘We are believers, and bear witness that we prostrate ourselves to Allah as Muslims.’”

Qur’an 5:112 “Behold! The disciples, said: ‘O Jesus, can your Lord send down to us a table well laid out from heaven?’ Said Jesus: ‘Fear Allah, if you have faith.’ When the disciples said: ‘O Jesus, son of Mary, is your Lord able to send down for us a table spread with food from heaven?’ He said: “Observe your duty to Allah, if you are true believers.’”

Qur’an 5:113 “They said: ‘We only wish to eat thereof to satisfy our hearts, and to know that you have told us the truth. We want to witnesses a miracle.’ Said Jesus, the son of Mary: ‘O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table well laid out, that there may be for us a feast, a Sign from you.”

Qur’an 5:115 “Allah said: ‘I am going to send it down unto you, but if any of you after that disbelieves, resisting Faith [Islam], I will punish him with a torment such as I have not inflicted on any one of my creatures, man or jinn. I will punish them with a torment such as I have not inflicted on any one of my creatures.”

Qur’an 5:116 “And behold! Allah will say: ‘O Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?’ He will say: ‘Glory to You! Never could I utter what I had no right.”

Qur’an 5:117 “I only said what You (Allah) commanded me to say: Worship Allah, my lord and your Lord. I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them but you took me up. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world.)”

Tabari IX:15 “One of the Ansari who was plundering the slain came upon a Thaqif boy. He discovered that he was an uncircumcised Christian. He uncovered others and then yelled out at the top of his voice, ‘Allah knows that the Thaqif are uncircumcised.”

Tabari IX:86 “Don’t seduce the Jews or Christians for incumbent on them is to pay the jizyah protection tax.”

Bukhari:V2B23N414 “The Prophet in his fatal illness said, “Allah cursed Jews and Christians because they took their Prophets’ graves as places for praying.’”

Bukhari:V5B59N727 “When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘That is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians.’”

Bukhari:V4B55N607 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘On the night of my Ascension to Heaven, I saw Jesus with a red face as if he had just come out of a bathroom. And I resemble Abraham more than any of his offspring.’”

Qur’an 2:111 “They say: ‘None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.’ Those are their (vain) desires. Say: ‘Produce your proof if you are truthful.’ Nay, whoever submits His face to Allah and surrenders, he will get his reward; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. The Jews say: ‘The Christians follow nothing; and the Christians say: ‘the Jews follow nothing (true);’ Yet they (profess to) recite the (same) Scripture Book. But Allah will judge between them in their quarrel.”

Qur’an 9:30 “The Jews call Uzair the son of Allah, and the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying from their mouths; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s (Himself) fights against them, cursing them, damning and destroying them. How perverse are they!”

 

[USCatholic]

PART 4:

Qur’an 9:31 “They (Jews and Christians) consider their rabbis and monks to be gods besides Allah. They also took their Lord Messiah to be a god but they were commanded (in the Taurat and Injeel) to worship only One Ilah (God). There is no ilah (god) but He. Too holy is He for the partners they associate (with Him).”
Qur’an 9:34 “Believers, there are many (Christian) monks and (Jewish) rabbis who in falsehood devour the wealth of mankind and hinder (men) from the way of Allah. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in Allah’s Cause. (Muhammad) announce unto them tidings of a painful torture. On the Day [of Doom] heat will be produced out of that (wealth) in the Fire of Hell. It will be branded on their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs. ‘This is the (treasure) which you hoarded for yourselves: now taste it!’”

Qur’an 2:116 “They say: ‘Allah hath begotten a son: glory be to Him.’ Nay, to Him belongs all that is in heavens and on earth: All are subservient and obedient to Him.”

Qur’an 2:145 “Even if you were to bring to the people of the Scripture Book all the Signs, they would not follow Your Qiblah; nor are you going to follow their Qiblah; nor indeed will they follow each other’s Qiblah.”

Qur’an 2:146 “The People of the Book, unto whom We gave the Scripture, know/recognize this revelation/him as they know/recognize their own sons; But lo! a party of them knowingly conceals truth.”

Qur’an 2:71 “The semblance of the infidels is one who shouts to one who cannot hear. They are deaf, dumb, and blind. They make no sense.”

Qur’an 2:174 “Those who conceal Allah’s revelations in the [Bible] Scripture Book, and thus make a miserable profit thereby [selling it to Muhammad], swallow Fire into themselves; Allah will not address them. Grievous will be their doom.”

Qur’an 2:175 “They are the ones who bartered away guidance for error and Torment in place of Forgiveness. Ah, what boldness (they show) for the Fire! (Their doom is) because Allah sent down the Book in truth but those who seek causes of dispute in the Book are in a schism of great opposition.”

Tabari VIII:98 “Between the truce of Hudaybiyah and his death, the Messenger dispersed his Companions with letters. ‘I have been sent as a mercy and for all. Therefore, convey the message from me, and Allah shall have mercy on you. Do not become disobedient to me as the Disciples became disobedient to Jesus. He called them to the like of what I called you to. Those whom he sent close by were pleased and accepted; those whom he sent far off were refused. Jesus complained of their behavior to Allah, and when they awoke the next morning, each could speak the language of the people to whom he had been sent. Then Jesus said, ‘This is an affair that Allah has determined for you; so go forth!’”

Qur’an 8:50 “If you could have seen the infidels when the angels drew away their souls, striking their faces and smiting their backs. The angels said: ‘Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire.’”

Qur’an 8:52 “They brought this on themselves. Their case is like that of Pharaoh and of those before them. They denied and rejected the revelations of Allah, and Allah destroyed them, punishing them for their crimes: for Allah is strict, severe in punishment.”

Qur’an 61:6 “And Jesus, the son of Mary, said: ‘Children of Israel, I am the Messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming that (which was revealed) before me in the Torah, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad, the Praised One.’ But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, ‘this is sorcery!’”

Qur’an 61:14 “O Muslims! Be helpers of Allah: As Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, ‘Who will be my helpers (in the Cause) of Allah?’ Said the disciples, ‘We are Allah’s helpers!’ Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, and they became the victorious.”

Qur’an 3:37 “Mariam was given into the care of Zacharyah. Whenever he came to see her in her chamber he found her provided with food, and he asked, ‘Where has this come from Mary?’ She said, ‘From Allah who gives in abundance to whomsoever He will. Zacharyah prayed, ‘Bestow on me offspring that is good *. As he stood in the chamber the angels said, ‘Allah sends you tidings of Yahya (John) who will confirm a thing from Allah (the creation of Isa (Jesus), the Word of Allah) and be a noble prophet, one who is upright and does good [a Muslim].”

Qur’an 3:42Qur’an 3:44 “Behold! the angels said: ‘Mariam! Allah has chosen you and purified you above the women of all nations and creation (including jinn). Mary! submit with obedience to your Lord (Allah). Prostrate yourself, and bow down with those [Muslims] who bow down.” “This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which you have no knowledge and We reveal unto you (Messenger!) by inspiration. You were not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mariam. Nor were you with them when they disputed.”*

 

[USCatholic]

PART 5:

Qur’an 3:45 “Behold, the angels said: ‘O Mariam! Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be the Messiah, Isa (Jesus), the son of Mariam, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of those nearest to Allah.”

Qur’an 4.171 “O people of the Book (Christians), do not be fanatical in your faith, and say nothing but the truth about Allah. The Messiah who is Isa (Jesus), son of Mariam, was only a messenger of Allah, nothing more. He bestowed His Word on Mariam and His Spirit. So believe in Allah and say not Trinity for Allah is one Ilah (God)…far be it from His Glory to beget a son.”

Qur’an 3:46 “And he shall speak to the people when in the cradle and when of old age, and shall be one of the good ones.”

Bukhari:V4B55N645 “The Prophet said, ‘None spoke in cradle but three: The first was Jesus, the second was an Israeli called Juraij. While he was offering his prayers, his mother called him. He said, “Shall I answer her or keep on praying?” He went on praying and did not answer her. His mother said, “O Allah! Do not let him die till he sees the faces of prostitutes.”

Qur’an 3:47 “Mary said: ‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?’ He said: ‘Even so: Allah creates what He wills: When He has decreed a plan, He but says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is!”

Qur’an 3:48 “And Allah will teach him the Scripture Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, and appoint him a messenger to the Children of Israel, with this message: ‘Lo! I come unto you with a Sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah’s leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah’s leave.” [As if reading a different Arabic text, the Ali translation says:] “He will teach him the Law and the Judgment, the Torah and the Gospel, and he will be Apostle to the children of Israel, (saying) ‘I have come to you with a prodigy from your Lord that I will fashion the state of destiny out of the mire for you and breathe (a new spirit) into it, and (you) will rise by the will of Allah.”

Bukhari:V4B55N657 “Allah’s Messenger said, ‘Isa (Jesus), the son of Mariam, will shortly descend amongst you Muslims and will judge mankind by the law of the Qur’an. He will break the cross and kill the swine [Jews] and there will be no Jizyah tax taken from non-Muslims. Money will be so abundant no one will accept it. So you may recite this Holy Verse: “Isa (Jesus) was just a human being before his death. On the Day of Resurrection he (Jesus) will be a witness against the Christians.”’”

Bukhari:V4B55N658 “Allah’s Apostle said ‘How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Qur’an and not by the law of Gospel.’”

Bukhari:V4B55N651-2 “I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, ‘I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus. There has been no prophet between me and Jesus. All the prophets are paternal brothers; their mothers are different, but their religion is one.’”

Qur’an 3:50 “(I [Isa/Jesus] have come) to attest the Torah which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.”

Bukhari:V4B56N814 “There was a Christian who embraced Islam and he used to write the revelations for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again he used to say: ‘Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him.’”

Qur’an 3:52 “But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: ‘Who will be my helpers in the Allah’s Cause? The disciples said: We will be Allah’s helpers. We believe in Allah, and do you bear witness that we are Muslims.”

Qur’an 3:54 “And they (the disciples from the previous verse) schemed, and Allah schemed and plotted (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” [Another translation reads:]

Qur’an 3:54 “‘Lord, we believe in Your revelations [the Torah and Gospels] and follow this Apostle [Jesus]. Enroll us among the witnesses.’ But the Christians contrived a plot and Allah did the same; but Allah’s plot was the best.” [A third translation says that “they” refers to “disbelievers,” not the disciples and they plotted to kill Jesus.] “And they (disbelievers) plotted (to kill Isa [Jesus]) and Allah plotted too.”

 

[USCatholic]

PART 6 and Final:

Qur’an 3:55 “Allah said, ‘Jesus, I will take you and raise you to Myself and rid you of the infidels (who have forged the lie that you are My son).… Those who are infidels will surely receive severe torment both in this world and the next; and none will they have as a savior for them.” [Interesting, considering…]

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who say; ‘God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.” [Another translation reads:]

Qur’an 3:55 “Behold! Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow you superior to those who reject faith. Then shall you all return unto me, and I will judge between you on the matters wherein you dispute.” [Another:] “(Remember) when Allah said: ‘Jesus! Lo! I am gathering you and causing you to ascend unto Me. I am cleansing you of those who disbelieve.” [A fourth reads:] “When Allah said: ‘Jesus, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve… I will decide between you concerning that which you differed.”

Qur’an 3:56 “As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them.”

Qur’an 3:58 “This is what We rehearse to you of the Signs and Message, a wise reminder. The similitude (likeness) of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: ‘Be.’ And he was.”

Qur’an 3:60 “The Truth (comes) from Allah alone. So be not of those who doubt, waver or dispute. If any one disputes in this matter with you, now after knowledge has come to you, say: ‘Come! Let us gather together our sons and women among ourselves. Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!’”

Qur’an 3:61 “If anyone disputes with you about Jesus being divine, flee them and pray that Allah will curse them.”

Qur’an 3:62 “This is the true account, the true explanation: There is no Ilah (God) except Allah; and Allah—He is the Mighty, the Wise. And if they turn away, then lo! Allah is aware of the corrupters, the mischief-makers. Say: ‘O People of the Book, come to common terms as an agreement between us and you: That we all shall worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah.’ If then they turn back, say you: ‘Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims surrendered.”

Qur’an 3:67 “Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.”

Qur’an 3:69 “It is the wish of the followers of the People of the Book to lead you astray. But they make none to go astray except themselves, but they perceive not. You People of the Book! Why reject you the signs, proofs, and verses of Allah, of which you are witnesses? You People of the Book! Why do you clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth?”

Qur’an 3:118 “O you who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, and Christians). They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin. Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths. What their hearts conceal is far worse. When they are alone, they bite off the very tips of their fingers at you in their rage. Say unto them: ‘Perish in your rage.’”

Qur’an 4:48 “Allah forgives not that partners [Christ as God] should be set up with Him; but He forgives anything else, to whom He please; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin most heinous.”

Qur’an 4:50 “Behold! how they invent lies against Allah! That is flagrant sin.”

Qur’an 4:51 “Have you not seen those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They believe in sorcery and false deities and say of those who disbelieve: these are better guided than those who believe. They are (men) whom Allah has cursed: And those whom Allah has cursed, you will find that they have no savior.”

Qur’an 4:54 “Are they jealous and envious what Allah has given them of his bounty? But We had already given the house of Abraham the Book, and conferred upon them a grand kingdom. Some of them believed, and some of them averted their faces from him. And Hell is sufficient for their burning. Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire. As often as their skin is burnt and singed, roasted through, We shall change it for fresh skin, so that they may go on tasting the torment.”

END OF QUOTES CONCERNING CHRISTIANS.

 

[USCatholic]

MUHAMMAD -hell-be-upon-him- PROPHET OF RACISM:

Ishaq:243 “I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!’ He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks…. Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom.” [9:61] “Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey’s.’”

Ishaq:144 “A rock was put on a slave’s chest. When Abu Bakr complained, they said, ‘You are the one who corrupted him, so save him from his plight.’ I will do so,’ said Bakr. ‘I have a black slave, tougher and stronger than Bilal, who is a heathen. I will exchange him. The transaction was carried out.”

Qur’an 9:97 “The Arabs of the desert are the worst in unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger.”

Tabari II:11 “Shem, the son of Noah was the father of the Arabs, the Persians, and the Greeks; Ham was the father of the Black Africans; and Japheth was the father of the Turks and of Gog and Magog who were cousins of the Turks. Noah prayed that the prophets and apostles would be descended from Shem and kings would be from Japheth. He prayed that the African’s color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks.”

Tabari II:21 “Ham [Africans] begat all those who are black and curly-haired, while Japheth [Turks] begat all those who are full-faced with small eyes, and Shem [Arabs] begat everyone who is handsome of face with beautiful hair. Noah prayed that the hair of Ham’s descendants would not grow beyond their ears, and that whenever his descendants met Shem’s, the latter would enslave them.”

Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in Allah’s Cause. Killing him is a small matter to us.”

Bukhari: V9B89N256 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘You should listen to and obey your ruler even if he is a black African slave whose head looks like a raisin.’”

Ishaq:405 “It is your folly to fight the Apostle, for Allah’s army is bound to disgrace you. We brought them to the pit. Hell was their meeting place. We collected them there, black slaves, men of no descent.

Ishaq:374 “The black troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, ‘Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.’”

Bukhari:V4B52N137 “The Prophet said, ‘Let the negro slave of Dinar perish. And if he is pierced with a thorn, let him not find anyone to take it out for him… If he [the black slave] asks for anything it shall not be granted, and if he needs intercession [to get into paradise], his intercession will be denied.’”

 

[Contarini]

BobCatholic:

What I notice is that when 9/11 happened, was the HUMONGOUS SILENCE from the Mullahs.

This is one of the most laughable things said in the wake of 9/11. What you really mean is that you didn’t bother to look to see if the mullahs had said anything. Because a simple google search turns up plenty such condemnations.

Here are two sites that collect several such condemnations.

beliefnet.com/story/111/story_11121_1.html

zenit.org/english/war/visualizza.phtml?sid=9838

Note that the second site is a Catholic news source. Also that it references the grand imam of the Al-Azhar mosque in Cairo. While it’s true that Islam has no central authority (you say that as if it’s a bad thing–obviously to non-Catholics this is less clear!), the Al-Azhar mosque has been one of the central religious authorities within Islam for centuries. It’s about as normative as you get. And the grand imam of that mosque clearly condemned the attacks on the basis of Islamic tradition, which forbids the killing of noncombatants.

The fact that you did not bother to look this up before voicing an uninformed opinion says a lot more about your blind prejudices than it does about Islam.

Edwin

 

[USCatholic]

Contarini:

This is one of the most laughable things said in the wake of 9/11. What you really mean is that you didn’t bother to look to see if the mullahs had said anything. Because a simple google search turns up plenty such condemnations.

Here are two sites that collect several such condemnations.

beliefnet.com/story/111/story_11121_1.html

zenit.org/english/war/visualizza.phtml?sid=9838

Note that the second site is a Catholic news source. Also that it references the grand imam of the Al-Azhar mosque in Cairo. While it’s true that Islam has no central authority (you say that as if it’s a bad thing–obviously to non-Catholics this is less clear!), the Al-Azhar mosque has been one of the central religious authorities within Islam for centuries. It’s about as normative as you get. And the grand imam of that mosque clearly condemned the attacks on the basis of Islamic tradition, which forbids the killing of noncombatants.

The fact that you did not bother to look this up before voicing an uninformed opinion says a lot more about your blind prejudices than it does about Islam.

Edwin

Yes? So?

Suicide attacks from 72 Virgins seekers are still going on around the world.

What has changed in the world of Islam when somebody issued a statement, out of cowardice (being afraid of the american might)?

Nothing.

Suicide bombing rate is high and Jihad is up and running!

 

[Maryam_V]

USCatholic…you obviously are a “kaafir”, you claim to know the REAL Islam, so I assume you know what that word means. Thing is how can a kaafir claim to know about Islam…do you honestly think people who use their reason and intellect will listen to you? Is it not like you asking them to ask for a medical diagnosis of symptoms from a dressmaker? :whacky:

Maryam V.

 

[Contarini]

USCatholic:

Yes? So?

So you were wrong. Completely, shamefully wrong. You made a blatantly false statement, and you have no credibility to speak about Islam because you obviously don’t care to ascertain the truth before you speak. Why should anyone take anything you say seriously until you show that you have changed your approach?

USCatholic:

What has changed in the world of Islam when somebody issued a statement, out of cowardice (being afraid of the american might)?

On what do you base this analysis of the motives and character of Sheikh Muhammad Sayid Tantawy? How can you read his mind? What do you know about him? Surely you must know quite a bit about him to make such a confident statement? Or perhaps, just perhaps, you have not learned your lesson and are still prone to make bombastic assertions without a shred of knowledge.There comes a point at which ignorant statements like this stop being ignorant and become lies of the worst kind. You have been caught once already making a blatantly false statement. Instead of backing down, you have made another statement which in all likelihood is equally false. Certainly you have said nothing to give anyone confidence that you know what you are talking about.

No one claimed that one person has the power to make all Muslims obey. For that matter, the Pope doesn’t have the power to make all Christians obey. He doesn’t even have the power to make all Catholics obey (unless you are going to play word games and say that only those who obey the Pope are real Catholics). The point is that you said that the mullahs had been silent, and you were wrong.

Edwin

 

[deen]

Maryam V.:

USCatholic…you obviously are a “kaafir”, you claim to know the REAL Islam, so I assume you know what that word means. Thing is how can a kaafir claim to know about Islam…do you honestly think people who use their reason and intellect will listen to you? Is it not like you asking them to ask for a medical diagnosis of symptoms from a dressmaker? :whacky:

Maryam V.

USCatholic is so desperate to paint a bad image of Islam thru his postings. Only retarded people will buy this style of argument. Let’s see again what unbiased people have to say about Islam, Muhammd (peace be upon him) and the Qur’an.

**“It (Islam) replaced monkishness by manliness. It gives hope to the slave, brotherhood to mankind, and recognition of the fundamental facts of human nature.” **

Canon Taylor, Paper read before the Church Congress at Walverhamton, Oct. 7, 1887; Quoted by Arnoud in THE PREACHING OF ISLAM, pp. 71-72.

**
“Sense of justice is one of the most wonderful ideals of Islam, because as I read in the Qur’an I find those dynamic principles of life, not mystic but practical ethics for the daily conduct of life suited to the whole world.” **

Lectures on “The Ideals of Islam;” see SPEECHES AND WRITINGS OF SAROJINI NAIDU, Madras, 1918, p. 167.

**“The extinction of race consciousness as between Muslims is one of the outstanding achievements of Islam, and in the contemporary world there is, as it happens, a crying need for the propagation of this Islamic virtue.” **

A.J. Toynbee, CIVILIZATION ON TRIAL, New York, 1948, p.205.

to be continued

peace to all good Christians here!

deen

 

[Joseph_Bilodeau]

deen:

USCatholic is so desperate to paint a bad image of Islam thru his postings. Only retarded people will buy this style of argument…

Sir or Madam,

I object to this characterization of mentally retarded persons and I ask you to retract it.

 

[deen]

USCatholic thinks like a kid so let’s treat him like a kid! Maybe he can understand the following simple analysis:

If you want to judge how good is the latest model of the “Mercedes” car and aperson who does not know how to drive sits at the steering wheel and bangs up the car, who will you blame? The car or the driver? But naturally, the driver. To
analyze how good the car is, a person should not look at the driver but see the ability and features of the car. How fast is it, what is its average fuel consumption, what are the safety measures, etc. Even if I agree for the sake of argument that the Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by its followers. If you
want to judge how good Islam is then judge it according to its authentic sources,i.e. the Glorious Qur’an and the authentic Hadith.

Should I judge all Christians because of the CHRUCH SCANDALS?!

peace,

deen

 

[deen]

Joseph Bilodeau:

Sir or Madam,

I object to this characterization of mentally retarded persons and I ask you to retract it.

Your brother in faith has said a despicable statement about our Prophet (peace be upon him):

MUHAMMAD -hell-be-upon-him- PROPHET OF RACISM:

What do you expect? Perhaps you misunderstood me. My statement is not meant to be an offense to mentally retarded persons.

peace,

deen

 

[USCatholic]

The quotes from the Quran and the Hadith are clear enough for those who want to read and think.

The Quran condemns itself. Islam condemns itself.

Muhammad -hell-be-upon-him- is guilty as charged, and the evidence is his own Quran.

What Muslims are doing is defending Muhammad hell-be-upon-him- from the guilt of crimes against humanity.

By inventing Islam, Muhammad -hell-be-upon-him- invented Evil, and Evil is spreading all over the world.

Islam was founded by an Evil man.

Muhammad -hell-be-upon-him- was a mass-murderer, to begin with, a child molester, a sex-maniac, a racist, a bigot, Jews and Christians hater and killer. A slave master and a colonialist.

If people believe in him and his message of Evil, then there must be something wrong with their brain, and that is what I call: BRAINWASHING.

Brainwashing is so intense it can blind people from seeing reality, from recognizing good from evil, right from wrong, black from white.

You might be a “great scholar,” a “univeristy professor,” “an intellect,” yet you can still be a brainwashed muslim.

But once you decide that you want to get out of this big balloon of brainwashing, once you try to escape the social and religious pressure, once you try to THINK, you are a dead person, killing you is a religious “fard” (obligation).

If they are kind enough to you, you will be rejected by your islamic society, they will force your spouse to divorce you, if you are married.

The only thing you can do to save your life is to escape to exile in the West, or hide, change appearance and pray that the 72-Virgins seekers will not find you.

Some few examples:

Farag Fouda, in Egypt, was killed because he dared discussing the validity of some of Islam’s beliefs.

Salman Roushdy, for a novel he wrote, considered blasphamy by the Muslims, and he is still in exile escaping beheading.

Irshad Manji, the female muslim writer: muslim-refusenik.com/

This is the REAL Islam.

 

[deen]

USCatholic:

This is the REAL Islam.

REAL LIES about Islam.

May Allah give you what you deserve. ameen.

deen

 

[deen]

deen:

USCatholic is so desperate to paint a bad image of Islam thru his postings. Only retarded people will buy this style of argument. Let’s see again what unbiased people have to say about Islam, Muhammd (peace be upon him) and the Qur’an.

**“It (Islam) replaced monkishness by manliness. It gives hope to the slave, brotherhood to mankind, and recognition of the fundamental facts of human nature.” **

Canon Taylor, Paper read before the Church Congress at Walverhamton, Oct. 7, 1887; Quoted by Arnoud in THE PREACHING OF ISLAM, pp. 71-72.

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“Sense of justice is one of the most wonderful ideals of Islam, because as I read in the Qur’an I find those dynamic principles of life, not mystic but practical ethics for the daily conduct of life suited to the whole world.” **

Lectures on “The Ideals of Islam;” see SPEECHES AND WRITINGS OF SAROJINI NAIDU, Madras, 1918, p. 167.

**“The extinction of race consciousness as between Muslims is one of the outstanding achievements of Islam, and in the contemporary world there is, as it happens, a crying need for the propagation of this Islamic virtue.” **

A.J. Toynbee, CIVILIZATION ON TRIAL, New York, 1948, p.205.

to be continued

peace to all good Christians here!

deen

Who is really lying here? USCatholic or the above **decent ** non-Muslims?

deen

 

[The_Eurasian]

Deen, Maryam V

In the Old Testament, it is written that the Angel Gabriel appeared to Hagar and Ishmael.

One way you can show that God is with Islam, the decendants of Hagar, Abraham. Ishmael is to show examples of miracles, especially medical miracles that God performed through Muslims. Can you give the audience some examples that humans cannot do but only God can and the devil won’t. There must be many examples that Muslims have like cancers that got cured…

 

[USCatholic]

deen:

REAL LIES about Islam.

May Allah give you what you deserve. ameen.

Who is really lying here? USCatholic or the above decent non-Muslims?

deen

It will not work.

You try to cause a rift between me and my fellow Christians.

It will not work.

Find another islamic trick and lie.

You can’t defend your Islam, you’re escaping from answering the evidence taken from your Quran, Hadith and real life.

Rather, you go on personal attacks and change subjects and talk about Christianity.

That proves my point: You are a big Muslim BRAINWASHED LOOSER, no different from the rest of your “brothers.”

This is a REAL Brainwashed Muslim.

 

[Contarini]

USCatholic,

As a Christian, I welcome any attempt to create a rift between your views of Islam and mine. You have made a blatantly false statement about Islamic responses to 9/11, and followed that up with a totally unfounded assertion about the motives of a leading Islamic leader. You have no credibility whatever. You are an embarrassment to the Christian Faith.

Edwin

 

[deen]

Contarini:

USCatholic,

As a Christian, I welcome any attempt to create a rift between your views of Islam and mine. You have made a blatantly false statement about Islamic responses to 9/11, and followed that up with a totally unfounded assertion about the motives of a leading Islamic leader. You have no credibility whatever. You are an embarrassment to the Christian Faith.

Edwin

Thank you very much Edwin. I was really hoping that some open-minded and brave Christian will stand-up for what is right.

peace,

deen