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joyfulmess
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Blessings to you
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Blessings to you
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MarthaMartha
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Years ago, when we had to refrain from eating meat on all Fridays, a parish priest gave my friend “special permission” to eat it because she was very thin. I never got that dispensation . . .
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puzzleannie
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hey, Clevelanders since you got your dispensation, is Sammy’s still there on E 30th & St. Clair, great corned beef sandwiches. Or will you have to go out to Corky and Lenny’s? Do you still have the St Patrick’s Day parade down Euclid Ave?.
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axolotl
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I’m not familiar with Sammy’s, but I have heard of Slyman’s, even though I’ve never been there. It gets lots of write ups.
Corky and Lenny’s is yummy. They unfortunately had to close recently due to a salmonella outbreak. They’ve since reopened, but the lawyers are circling.
There will be a parade. But It looks like it won’t be on Euclid. This year’s route:
East 18th and Superior, travels west on Superior to Public Square, turns north on East Roadway to Rockwell, turns right onto Rockwell and will disband on Rockwell behind the Cleveland Public Library.
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Mike_D30
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I don’t think you should get angry, a feast for a saint is a good reason to break a fast, and in line with Church tradition and teaching.
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redtech
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Wow, I read this thread when it first came out and we were told this past weekend that the Belleville Diocese (Illinois) has been given dispensation too.
I’m still not into corned beef and cabbage though so I’ll probably stick to the fast.
I’m still not into corned beef and cabbage though so I’ll probably stick to the fast.
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wannabedoc
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so thought i’d throw my pennys worth in to this one considerin i’m an actual irish person!(ie born and raised in irealnd!) 
st paddy’s day is a holy day of obligation on the emerald isle and so every year we’re allowed to umm forgoe whatever lenten promise we have made. on sunday there the priest suggested that if we do wanna eat meat or whatever on fri 17th we shud think about substitutin the sacrifice for another day. also have never ever ever heard of corned beef being an irish thing-- always asumed it was an american thing cuz i’ve only heard of it on american tv-- but i cud be wrong about this bit!
st paddy’s day is a holy day of obligation on the emerald isle and so every year we’re allowed to umm forgoe whatever lenten promise we have made. on sunday there the priest suggested that if we do wanna eat meat or whatever on fri 17th we shud think about substitutin the sacrifice for another day. also have never ever ever heard of corned beef being an irish thing-- always asumed it was an american thing cuz i’ve only heard of it on american tv-- but i cud be wrong about this bit!
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Mike_D30
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Corned beef became popular amongst American Irish because it was dirt cheap, and Irish immigrants were very very poor. My family came over in the mid 1800’s during the famine. But I still grew up eating corned beef and cabbage at least weekly, old habits die hard, plus it’s very tasty.. also have never ever ever heard of corned beef being an irish thing-- always asumed it was an american thing cuz i’ve only heard of it on american tv-- but i cud be wrong about this bit!
I plan to fast quite a bit during Lent, and attend daily Mass, confess bi-weekly, and do the stations of the cross weekly, and rosary daily.
BUT for a St. Patrick’s Day feast I will break my Lenten fast, as is allowed by Church tradition.
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Judah-Kai
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Those who have a bad view of the Church have always had one and will always have one and they don’t have to look very far to find something. And if they can’t, they will make something up.
We are Catholics, but we are also human. Those that want to keep from eating meat on Friday’s will, and those that want to take part in the dispensation will. We will always have some that are more Catholic than the Pope some that are only Catholic in name. And then we have those millions in between that get caught up in the arguments about what’s best for them. But somehow, I think they will all get directed to where the Lord wants them to be, even if they take the dispensation and have a little corned beef on St. Patty’s day.
We are Catholics, but we are also human. Those that want to keep from eating meat on Friday’s will, and those that want to take part in the dispensation will. We will always have some that are more Catholic than the Pope some that are only Catholic in name. And then we have those millions in between that get caught up in the arguments about what’s best for them. But somehow, I think they will all get directed to where the Lord wants them to be, even if they take the dispensation and have a little corned beef on St. Patty’s day.
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Fashina86
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that is what we are doing!
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Isidore_AK
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I just don’t see why this is such a big deal…there’s always been a dispensation for St. Paddy’s day (when necessary)… 
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Morning_Glory
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I thought the dispensation was originally meant for the survivors of the Potato Famine.
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chicago
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I think that we need to remember that much of American Catholicism is essentially an outgrowth of Irish Catholicism. And in many a U.S. city, there is a large Irish American population. For these, then, the feast of St. Patrick is appropriately a major feast day. Let us recall, also, that the feast of St. Joseph and the Annunication are, likewise, major Lenten feasts. In fact, the latter ones are Solemnities upon which no pennance is required even if they fall on a Friday. Therefore, it is most worthy that this grace be granted by many a bishop. Now, that said, I can see where one might argue that it is still of value to do pennance on this feast, nonetheless. And most bishops would agree, asking that those who eat a traditional corned beef meal replace the lenten abstinance with something else. I think that a good question which could be raised is whether the kind of drunken “celebration” which typifies the day by everyone who uses it as an excuse to “be Irish” is honoring of St. Patrick and if pennance isn’t a worthy and constructive act in reparation and love of God to counter it.
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MaryLiz410
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I was planning to cook corned beef and cabbage on Friday and wondering what my extra penance could be. After reading some of these comments, I think I will celebrate on Thursday… not that I don’t want to do extra penance. Actually, it may be easier to just celebrate Thursday.
Thanks for tweaking my conscience.
We try to abstain from meat on Fridays all during the year.
Thanks for tweaking my conscience.
We try to abstain from meat on Fridays all during the year.
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Brendan
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In the United States, the celebration of the Feast of St. Patrick is an optional Memorial.
As such, the local Ordinary has the option of raising the celebration of the Feast to that of a Solemnity. The raising of the feast to a Solemnity is de facto in any diocese that has St. Patrick as it’s patron.
A pastor of a parish named after St. Patrick may also raise it’s status for his parishioners.
Solemnity is higher on the liturgical calendar than a Lenten day, so, like Sundays, they remain in the calendar season of Lent, but are not actually part of Lent.
So if the Bishop chooses to celebrate this feast as a Solemnity, the Feast is no longer a Lenten Friday.
This is perfectly licit, and has been done throught the entire history of the Church.
St. Patrick’s Day in Ireland, for example, is always a Solemnity, as Patrick is the Patron of the country.
Even before Vatican II, it was alwas licit to eat meat on St. Patricks’s day, though it always falls in Lent.
In fact, that’s kind of where the ‘Corned Beef’ part comes it.
The more traditional Irish dish is “Boiling Bacon”, a section of ham\bacon. It was used for St. Patrick’s day because it kept well throughout the previous Lenten time, when all meat was otherwise forbidden.
The Irish in American could not find boiling bacon in the butcher shops, so they substituted Corned Beef, which does have a similar taste.
And one other historical Lenten tidbit, it is licit to eat muskrat and beaver on Fridays in Lent in the Archdiocese of Detroit.
That comes from the colonial period. The word for ‘fish’ the local Indian population used also encompassed all swimming creatures . So the Jesuits got an indult from the Bishop of Montreal, which Detroit was under at the time, to allow such water creatures to be eaten during Lent.
That indult was renewed when Detroit became it’s own diocese, as it had become a bit of a local tradition. I know a few meat shops that will special order it during Lent.
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Ani_Ibi
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Well really! As if all the poor Irish could afford bacon all those centuries. Or even cabbage which was likely a treat! All most folk probably had was boiled potatos! Boiled potatos with an accompaniment of boiled potatos!
Alrighty then all you Irish out there! I am daring you to a challenge! Boiled potatos and boiled potatos on St Patrick’s Day. You can have plain porridge for breakfast.
Who’s on?
Alrighty then all you Irish out there! I am daring you to a challenge! Boiled potatos and boiled potatos on St Patrick’s Day. You can have plain porridge for breakfast.
Who’s on?
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JB
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Ani Ibi:
To what purpose?
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Ani_Ibi
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JB.:
One apparently puts one’s name forward for the purpose of being on.
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JB
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Ani Ibi:
Let me restate. What is the purpose of challenging people to only eat potatoes on St. Patrick’s Day?
I don’t follow. Being on what?
Let me restate. What is the purpose of challenging people to only eat potatoes on St. Patrick’s Day?
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Ani_Ibi
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JB.:
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Being on the challenge to eat boiled potatos and boiled potatos on St Patricks Day.
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Sensitivity to the lack of bacon and corned beef.
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