This needs to repeated over and over again!

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Imagine you are accused of a crime and ordered to stand trial – and you happily learn that your defense attorney is the jury foreman, and a majority of the jurors are your close friends and undying supporters.

Ridiculous?

Well, that’s exactly the situation President Trump will face when he goes on trial in the Senate following his impeachment Wednesday by the House of Representatives.
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Is this something that we want for the future??
 
Welcome to the American Constitution.
Seriously, this is how the Founding Father set up impeachment
 
This sudden outrage at potential bias is comical

Where was it during the House portion, where trump’s worst enemy was the prosecution
Who failed to even identify legal charges of breaking the law
 
That honor belongs to the SDNY. The Constitution doesn’t mention breaking the law.
 
Theo520 said:
Who failed to even identify legal charges of breaking the law
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Keep reading.
ProVobis said:
That honor belongs to the SDNY. The Constitution doesn’t mention breaking the law.
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As a matter of fact, when the Constitution was written, there were NO LAWS at all! The laws were created later, based upon the Constitution. So the attempted defense that Trump did not violate any written laws is simply bogus.

But that does not disturb his supporters. Ignorance is bliss.
 
So impeachment in the House is akin to an indictment…the Senate holds the trial…Trump was indicted so he should stand trial…and if the senate finds him not guilty, so be it…just remember “Not Guilty” does not mean “innocent”…seems to me a guy named OJ Simpson was indicted, stood trial, was found Not Guilty and most people were upset…how is this different?
 
ProVobis said:
The Constitution doesn’t mention breaking the law.
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weird​

I was certain “high crimes” and “misdemeanors” is a reference to breaking the law.

Yet you say the Constitution is void of such a reference.
 
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Since when did Democrats or Republicans care what the Constitution says?
 
I’m all for the movement to a Parliamentary system. One where you don’t need 50% or more to form a government. Ya know, like most other democracies.
 
I would be fine with a government that actually abided by the Constitution.
 
Lys said:
British laws. The US laws were established by the Constitution.
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you are still deflecting, they had an extensive legal code in place that was largely retained. It’s been updated and evolved with every legislative session.

It was ridiculous of you to claim the Constitution doesn’t reference breaking the law.
 
Theo520 said:
you are still deflecting, they had an extensive legal code in place that was largely retained. It’s been updated and evolved with every legislative session.
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Those were the laws of the British system.
Theo520 said:
It was ridiculous of you to claim the Constitution doesn’t reference breaking the law.
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Come on. Get real. The Constitution established the US legal system. The laws up until that were NOT the laws of US, even if some of them were copied from the existing books. The expression of “high crimes and misdemeanors” does nor refer to the laws of the United States.

Of course Trump broke many of the US laws, too. (Tax fraud, wire fraud, etc…) If all his unlawful activities would be included in the indictment, we would have a truckload articles. But that is impractical. Of the two articles of impeachment, the second one is easier to prove, since both Trump and his supporters already admitted it.
 
Theo520 said:
It’s functionally irrelevant where they came from, they were the laws in place until they were replaced.
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Not at all. It is a bit pompous, but relevant expression: “the law of the land”! The British laws were NOT the laws of the land. The whole idea of revolting against the British rule was to abolish the Brit legal system, even is some of the words were copied over into the new, US legal code.

Don’t try to wiggle out. The expression: “high crimes and misdemeanors” does not refer to the current, codified laws.
 
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