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Hello everyone. I just wanted to know something. My grandmother recently died on Aug. 31 and ever since I have been wondering abt something. My grandmother was a faithful Sikh and prayed everyday and visited the temple every Sunday for service. She hardly ever hurt a soul and if u look at her life, she had none of the 7 deadly sins. However, she didn’t noe who Jesus was and never encountered the Gospel. Does this mean that my grandmother will go to hell? Also, I’m a faithful Sikh too, however I also go to church on Fridays for eucharistic adoration because i feel so in touch with God in this simple form of worship. However, I don’t see myself getting baptised in my life but I respect and follow the Gospel of Jesus. Does this mean i’ll go to hell, cuz i’m not baptised? :confused:
 
manveersihota said:
Hello everyone. I just wanted to know something. My grandmother recently died on Aug. 31 and ever since I have been wondering abt something. My grandmother was a faithful Sikh and prayed everyday and visited the temple every Sunday for service. She hardly ever hurt a soul and if u look at her life, she had none of the 7 deadly sins. However, she didn’t noe who Jesus was and never encountered the Gospel. Does this mean that my grandmother will go to hell? Also, I’m a faithful Sikh too, however I also go to church on Fridays for eucharistic adoration because i feel so in touch with God in this simple form of worship. However, I don’t see myself getting baptised in my life but I respect and follow the Gospel of Jesus. Does this mean i’ll go to hell, cuz i’m not baptised? :confused:
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Here’s the official teaching of the Church from the catechism:

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
Here’s the official teaching of the Church from the catechism:

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm
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Oh God Bless You! 🙂 but what of my case. i give it 110% everyday to live out His will, but do i have to be baptised to achieve salvation?
 
You obviously experience a great deal of grace by worshiping God in the form of Christ during Eucharistic Adoration, so why wouldn’t you want to be baptized. God seems to be calling you. I pray you answer His call. To reject His call could put your salvation at risk.

God Bless You
 
During my own search for truth, i visited a sikh temple once!

I love the sikh spirituality, and the stroies of strong faith.

The martyrs show just how firmly they believe sikhism is true!

God bless, and I second the comments made! Get baptized, and study the faith.
 
I think erigby is right. God does seem to be calling you. Adoration! Awesome. That is very insightful of you. I was doing adoration before the blessed sacrament in my Diocese before it became widespread. I remember Arcbishop Fulton J. Sheen talk about it in the 70’s as a teen so I tried it and fell absolutely in love with my one hour with the Lord. Praying for you. Lighting a candle specifically for you tonight.

PAX
Translated “Peace”😉
 
panoikei said:
I think erigby is right. God does seem to be calling you. Adoration! Awesome. That is very insightful of you. I was doing adoration before the blessed sacrament in my Diocese before it became widespread. I remember Arcbishop Fulton J. Sheen talk about it in the 70’s as a teen so I tried it and fell absolutely in love with my one hour with the Lord. Praying for you. Lighting a candle specifically for you tonight.

PAX
Translated “Peace”😉
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Thank you so much for the prayers. I do want to get baptised but does that mean i’ll have to give up my sikh roots? i’m not willing to do that.
 
manveersihota said:
Oh God Bless You! 🙂 but what of my case. i give it 110% everyday to live out His will, but do i have to be baptised to achieve salvation?
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Wow, what an experience to witness Jesus in adoration. God has something in store for you, and maybe your bless’d grandmother in heaven may be putting a word in for you?

So why is it so hard to take a bath, and be washed of all your actual and or orignal sin? A bath is all takes to enter the kingdom of God. This bath cleanses both the outside and the inside of your soul.

If you are experiencing adoration, maybe your next step is to recieve Jesus into your life, and experience him more in his “Blessed Sacrament” of the Eucharist?

To answer your question; Baptism saves you now, and with this sacrament which means in short laymans terms God touches humanity, is the first of 3 Sacraments of Christian initiation to be completed. These are all biblical rites the first century Christians practiced and were commissioned to the Catholic church by Jesus Christ himself.

Just like Adam and Eve fell from Grace, including Lucifer and his angels, so can we lose our salvation. That is why Jesus left the ministry of reconciliation with his apostles and his Catholic church, to forgive sins, and return the lost sheep back to his body the Catholic church on earth. Now this ministry is not for the nonbeliever, this sacrament is for the believer. Baptism is for the non believer to come into the body of Jesus Christ. PLease do not get these two sacraments confused.

Peace be with you
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
Wow, what an experience to witness Jesus in adoration. God has something in store for you, and maybe your bless’d grandmother in heaven may be putting a word in for you?

So why is it so hard to take a bath, and be washed of all your actual and or orignal sin? A bath is all takes to enter the kingdom of God. This bath cleanses both the outside and the inside of your soul.

If you are experiencing adoration, maybe your next step is to recieve Jesus into your life, and experience him more in his “Blessed Sacrament” of the Eucharist?

To answer your question; Baptism saves you now, and with this sacrament which means in short laymans terms God touches humanity, is the first of 3 Sacraments of Christian initiation to be completed. These are all biblical rites the first century Christians practiced and were commissioned to the Catholic church by Jesus Christ himself.

Just Adam and Eve fell from Grace, including Lucifer and his angels, so can we lose our salvation. That is why Jesus left the ministry of reconciliation with his apostles and his Catholic church, to forgive sins, and return the lost sheep back to his body the Catholic church on earth. Now this ministry is not for the nonbeliever, this sacrament is for the believer. Baptism is for the non believer to come into the body of Jesus Christ. PLease do not get these two sacraments confused.

Peace be with you
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Thank you for you insight. If I do get baptised can I still keep my Sikh faith?
 
“give up your sikh roots…?”

well, it depends what you mean. You should be able to keep the cultural practices (example: the turban), but there would be certain doctrines which you would have to believe in. For example, Sikh’s believe in reincarnation, whereas the Church teaches that we live only once, and then judgement.

BTW, I LOVE the Ik O’nkar.

I think it is a beatiful poem which presents God in a true and beatiful manner.

“There is only one God
Truth is his name
He is the creator
He is without fear
He is without hate
He is timeless and without form
He is beyond death, the enlightned one
He can be known by the Guru’s grace.”

(These words come from the holy scriptures of the Sikh religion: the Guru Granth Sahib).
 
manveersihota said:
Thank you for you insight. If I do get baptised can I still keep my Sikh faith?
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I am not familiar with Sikh faith; but that is a very important question to ask the Catholic priest. So I could not give you an official Catholic answer here, maybe someone in an official capacity can answer who is familiar with Sikh faith.

If you are at liberty to educate yourself about the Catholic faith Jesus Christ founded 2000 years ago, you will learn and know what to do.

It does not hurt to set up an appointment with a Catholic Priest and get all your questions answered officially.

Peace be with you
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
I am not familiar with Sikh faith; but that is a very important question to ask the Catholic priest. So I could not give you an official Catholic answer here, maybe someone in an official capacity can answer who is familiar with Sikh faith.

If you are at liberty to educate yourself about the Catholic faith Jesus Christ founded 2000 years ago, you will learn and know what to do.

It does not hurt to set up an appointment with a Catholic Priest and get all your questions answered officially.

Peace be with you
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QUOTE=narrowpath;4827595]“give up your sikh roots…?”

well, it depends what you mean. You should be able to keep the cultural practices (example: the turban), but there would be certain doctrines which you would have to believe in. For example, Sikh’s believe in reincarnation, whereas the Church teaches that we live only once, and then judgement.

BTW, I LOVE the Ik O’nkar.

I think it is a beatiful poem which presents God in a true and beatiful manner.

“There is only one God
Truth is his name
He is the creator
He is without fear
He is without hate
He is timeless and without form
He is beyond death, the enlightned one
He can be known by the Guru’s grace.”

(These words come from the holy scriptures of the Sikh religion: the Guru Granth Sahib).

Thank you both. and I would like to point out a correctin. we believe in only one life and in Sikhism heaven is called Sach Khand (Holy Abode [of God]) and that basically is a doctrine in the catholic faith too. just thought i’d point that out. 😛 lol God Bless everyone for their help.
 
manveersihota said:
QUOTE=narrowpath;4827595]“give up your sikh roots…?”

well, it depends what you mean. You should be able to keep the cultural practices (example: the turban), but there would be certain doctrines which you would have to believe in. For example, Sikh’s believe in reincarnation, whereas the Church teaches that we live only once, and then judgement.

BTW, I LOVE the Ik O’nkar.

I think it is a beatiful poem which presents God in a true and beatiful manner.

“There is only one God
Truth is his name
He is the creator
He is without fear
He is without hate
He is timeless and without form
He is beyond death, the enlightned one
He can be known by the Guru’s grace.”

(These words come from the holy scriptures of the Sikh religion: the Guru Granth Sahib).
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Thank you both. and I would like to point out a correctin. we believe in only one life and in Sikhism heaven is called Sach Khand (Holy Abode [of God]) and that basically is a doctrine in the catholic faith too. just thought i’d point that out. 😛 lol God Bless everyone for their help.

OK, thnx for that correction then!😃
Wait…
OK I looked it up, and the site I went to said that this was the last of five stages of spiritual ascension
sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sach_Khand
 
yep u are totally right. Dharam, Gian, Saram and Karam Khand are part of mortal life, while Sach Khnad is achieved after death.

not that it matters to this thread tho. 😛
 
Just making sure I understand the doctrine. I repeat my advice. Study the Catholic faith. If you believe it to be true, be baptized. I would interpret your adoration experiences as God’s call.

I will pray for you.
 
narrowpath said:
Just making sure I understand the doctrine. I repeat my advice. Study the Catholic faith. If you believe it to be true, be baptized. I would interpret your adoration experiences as God’s call.

I will pray for you.
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Thank you 🙂
 
manveersihota said:
Thank you so much for the prayers. I do want to get baptised but does that mean i’ll have to give up my sikh roots? i’m not willing to do that.
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I was very touched by your original thread that you posted above, and likewise, by the responses. I believe that the answer to your question concerning your grandmother, lies in God’s hands. We do not know if God introduced your grandmother to ‘the opportunity’ of becoming a Christian, and whether or not she refused the opportunity, if it had in fact been offered to her. Every family member in this world, faces similar situations. Christ, Himself, mentioned that He did not come to bring peace, but as a sword, where the family, itself, becomes a battleground (mother against daughter, father against son, etc.) There are those in a family, that may choose Christianity, and others that will not. We also have to remember, that Christ visited those being held in [spiritual] prisons, after His crucifixion. This may also have happened to your grandmother, if she did not have the opportunity to know Christ.

In response to your own personal battle with ‘baptism’ and being a ‘sikh’, we have to be sure, that we don’t ‘straddle the fence’. Your heritage is important, but the rules given unto us by Christ, cannot be bent. Baptism by the Holy Spirit, is greater than any baptism given by man (per John the Baptist). We may find ourselves in a situation, where we accept Christ as our saviour, but have no access to any church or baptism, or no time to have it carried out (ie. just prior to death on a battlefield). 🙂
 
Thorwald said:
I was very touched by your original thread that you posted above, and likewise, by the responses. I believe that the answer to your question concerning your grandmother, lies in God’s hands. We do not know if God introduced your grandmother to ‘the opportunity’ of becoming a Christian, and whether or not she refused the opportunity, if it had in fact been offered to her. Every family member in this world, faces similar situations. Christ, Himself, mentioned that He did not come to bring peace, but as a sword, where the family, itself, becomes a battleground (mother against daughter, father against son, etc.) There are those in a family, that may choose Christianity, and others that will not. We also have to remember, that Christ visited those being held in [spiritual] prisons, after His crucifixion. This may also have happened to your grandmother, if she did not have the opportunity to know Christ.

In response to your own personal battle with ‘baptism’ and being a ‘sikh’, we have to be sure, that we don’t ‘straddle the fence’. Your heritage is important, but the rules given unto us by Christ, cannot be bent. Baptism by the Holy Spirit, is greater than any baptism given by man (per John the Baptist). We may find ourselves in a situation, where we accept Christ as our saviour, but have no access to any church or baptism, or no time to have it carried out (ie. just prior to death on a battlefield). 🙂
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Thats very insightful. Thank you so much fr ur (name removed by moderator)ut. God Bless!
 
manveersihota said:
Hello everyone. I just wanted to know something. My grandmother recently died on Aug. 31 and ever since I have been wondering abt something. My grandmother was a faithful Sikh and prayed everyday and visited the temple every Sunday for service. She hardly ever hurt a soul and if u look at her life, she had none of the 7 deadly sins. However, she didn’t noe who Jesus was and never encountered the Gospel. Does this mean that my grandmother will go to hell? Also, I’m a faithful Sikh too, however I also go to church on Fridays for eucharistic adoration because i feel so in touch with God in this simple form of worship. However, I don’t see myself getting baptised in my life but I respect and follow the Gospel of Jesus. Does this mean i’ll go to hell, cuz i’m not baptised? :confused:
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Hi Manveersihota
Welcome to CAF!

I wouldnt be surprised if your grandma is with Jesus now 🙂 for He is Mercy. However you have a choice to either trust what He said through His Church or reject Him for personal reasons.

Either Jesus is who He says or He is a fraud. Who do you say Jesus is? I know next to zilch about the Sikh religion but I do know that Jesus did not follow or found it. However He founded the Catholic Church. Pls tell me how you believe in Him and how believing in Him does not contradict with your faith in your religion.
 
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