I do not have any problem with this.
Don’t forget that St. Ignatius was talking about bishops, priests, etc. Since the Popes were bishops, then they were included by the saint.
Good. At least we agreed that the saint was not talking about the papacy.
I didn’t know that the bishops of Alexandria were able obtain exclusive rights to use that title.
Wow don’t you guys have to get up in the morning?
Sorry, let me rephrase. Once again you disagree with something that you “think the Church proposes.” Which you do often in these threads. In this instance it was “works”.
but it does erase the claim to supremacy.
And the bishop of Rome, sacramentally speaking, is JUST that: A bishop. Not THE bishop.
The Popes of Alexandria were GIVEN the title exclusively. The Popes of Rome TOOK the title exclusively. Btw, it has no ontological difference betweenn the holder and any other bishop.
There’s no fasting during Paschaltide.
Yes, that’s absolutely correct - there is no fasting from foods - however, a lot of people still “fast” from smiling!!!There’s no fasting during Paschaltide.
It’s not that I disagree with doing good things, or attending worship services, or praying. These are obviously important for all Christians to do. I understand also that the RCC does not preach justification by works (as far as I know anyway); and that you acknowledge faith precedes good works.
Very interesting Christy - I wish you well on your journey. Ironically, I’m in process of coming into full communion with the Roman Catholic Church after leaving the Orthodox!!!
My decision was based on a number of factors -
(I love that the Roman Catholics “CELEBRATE” Mass daily!!!)
- In my experience, the Orthodox Church, although claiming to be Catholic (Universal) is still very divided culturally. In fact, many of the cultural traditions have become mixed in with the spiritual Traditions (with a capital “T”) of the faith.
- The Divine Liturgy is generally ONLY served on Sundays or on Holy Days - and many Orthodox still feel that it is presumptuous to take Communion on a weekly basis!!
I’ve found many of the doctrinal differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism to be mostly matters of interpretation.
- From a practical sense - The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is very beautiful - but when observed correctly lasts over 90 Minutes! It is physically draining, and it virtually offers a lot of frustration for parents of young children!!!
- It also seems that many Orthodox have lost their joy. Although the Divine Liturgy is technically “Celebrated” - there is an overwhelming sense of “inappropriate unworthiness.” The Pascha (Easter Services) are beautiful - but the celebration of the Risen Christ, which was originally celebrated as a time of feasting after 40 days of Lent - quickly returns to a sense of mourning and fasting.
Good point. I think that could be said of most disagreements among all Christian faiths.
If the post is very long I tend to pass over it these days… Which number was it?
How?
Vatican I would say not.Well, it’s among the possibilities, isn’t it?
St. Ignatius gives us a compete Ecclesiology, something Protestants squirm about. But nothing about a supreme pontiff, and yet nothing is lacking.
In a couse of 2000 years almost, 40 years is little, and I thought a lifetime meant around 60 in those days!! Anyhow, that schism was solved…
What makes you say he meant to give a “complete” ecclesiology? There was a pope then, and already then he was the bishop of Rome, like it or not. And… wasn’t it still at the times of the Roman Empire?
Thank you, Martin, for saying this… despite the wounds on both sides since the schism, we still are guided by the Holy Spirit on both sides… although human nature does interfere often and in many ways on both sides!
In which language does your community celebrate the Divine Liturgy?
