Thongs on beaches, OnlyFans, Wap etc...is this where our society is heading?

[Susie_G82]

Sorry I had to have a giggle… I’m also in Australia and immediately think of thongs as footwear so when I read your subject line “thongs on beach” I was thinking “what else would you wear to the beach!? you can’t wear closed in shoes” too funny

Wasn’t until I read the whole post that I realised it was not footwear!

 

[otjm]

Did Jesus say that you are not supposed to worry about the clothing you put on?
Matthew 6: 25

The Church has never been a proponent of proof text analysis.

I seriously doubt, given the social mores of that society and still apparent in much of the Middle East, that Jesus would have approved of a “bathing suit” that looks more like oversized dental floss than what we normally refer to as a bathing suit.

 

[po18guy]

Formerly, I was not certain where society was going, but I knew that it was in a handbasket.

Now I am certain of where it is going.

 

[Rozellelily]

Actually, a number of mosques have been built in this area and Islam is increasing in numbers while attendance at Roman Catholic Churches has been falling. P

Do you mean in France or in Australia?

 

[Rozellelily]

but then thinking some even newer reduction in bikini coverage (if that’s even possible)

The thing is, I’m not sure it even is possible. It is the style now like on Brazillian beaches. The “next step” could only be removing the “string” from the g-string or see though. After that, we are back to “Adam and Eve” (if you understand what I am saying).
I come from a European Catholic background and in Europe is it pretty standard for both Christians and secular to wear a bikini or one piece. Not that I think a person should have to though.

Tbh, I have never been keen on the speedo (colloqiual: budgie smugglers) for men. Unless a person is a a serious swimmer, I think shorts would work just as fine?

Maybe speedo are more suitable in the water, but I find it a bit amusing when I see men stand on the beach in their speedos in “all their glory” having a full on conversation with each other about work etc.

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

Maybe it is the Mons pubis?

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

You are not wrong here, I feel the same. Don’t think you are getting to old. If any consolation I had to google some of those site names as I didn’t have a clue.

 

[Rozellelily]

I think Instagram models now set the trends more than designers and fashion sale people. I believe designers had their “day in the sun”, and now society has changed with the advent of social media etc. They still have some influence, but not to the degree that they once had.

 

[graciew]

The “ it “ girls.
One comes to learn that at least some are paid to promote certain articles, items, etc.
It would be an interesting study. You are right about Instagram and such.

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

Oh, I finally found it. When reading the posts, it reminded me of this add from a way back. A trumpet advert here in NZ but you may have had the same advert in Aussie.

 

[Greenfields]

I’m all out of likes,but I made that mistake some years ago too

 

[Greenfields]

It is sad ,I’m glad I haven’t been to the beach for a while.
Sometimes I have to (like yesterday) walk past someone who is leering ,and ask my angel for some kind of protection ,or I think of the part from St Patrick’s prayer

“Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,

Christ in the mouth of every man who speaks to me,
Christ in the eye of every man that sees me,
Christ in the ear of every man that hears me.“

 

[LilyM]

My daughters ahve a very strong sense of modesty.

One of them did a semester of study in France, and was able to tour around a bit, and totally unaware of certain matters, came upon a beach… I would repeat her comments about nude bathing, but they likely would not pass muster.

She has a particularly wicked sense of humor, much if not most of which was focused on other women of an age a good bit older than she, and the horror of displays on decidedly non-sexy anatomical changes.

And I will leave it at that.

Wonems and men’s bodies do change as they get older. Its inevitable and not something to be poked fun at or treated with contempt.

If that is her attitude now then she is in for a whole lot of psychological problems when she herself gets older and her own body changes come thick and fast.

 

[Rozellelily]

@meltzerboy2

Here’s my take.

I think that many people today in the western world are being “sold” that there are only two options. Either outright embracement of Onlyfans/porn types things as a false belief of sexual empowerment, or the belief that the only other possible mindset could be prudism and belief of the body as shameful.

But there’s a third option.

Porn doesn’t equal sex, and non-acceptance of porn doesn’t equal being a prude.
I really feel that a lot of people are being brainwashed to not see this. In Australia but possibly even more so in USA. People are also being “brainwashed” now to think that the only things that are porn are…well the literal.
Many people are not not even seeing things like Onlyfans as porn/sex industry when they actually are. It’s become normalized and people are becoming de-sensitized.

I don’t see porn (whether the form of literal or onlyfans type photos etc), as being sexual empowerment of women.
I don’t see anything empowering about selling ones body.

And I don’t see it as empowerment to commodify your body (in whichever form) especially to married men. And of course vice versa half men’s blame as well as a “customer”.
I can’t see the destruction of marriages, and the negative effects on children as empowering.

I don’t see it as empowerment to cheapen women to just an object for sex, even if you are your own “exploiter”, and even if you make a business of millions off your body. I don’t see “you” as a “smart business woman” like people are today being brainwashed that we should view it.

Also, consider this. If it is not “evil”, then why does it earn such big dollars? Usually, the things that are “evil” for society are the things that make the most money. E.g., the commodifying of women’s bodies, drug syndicates, (excessive) gambling, fraud, extortion etc… The “industries” earn those involved in them huge money precisely because they are “evils” for society.
If commodifying your body was just empowerment and healthy for women, you would expect the 'wage earnt" to be pretty basic and average, just like “honest work” at a cafe or whatever.
But the earnings are large, precisely because it is destructive for society and relatively few (although now growing) number of women are willing to do it.

I probably differ with some other Catholics in that I don’t see sex appeal and sensuality itself as a negative thing. Mae West that you mentioned, and some stars of the 50/60’s, had sex appeal. It comes from within.
Womens bodies are not evil. Women’s sexuality is not evil. But it’s the commodification that is “evil”. And sexuality does not have to be expressed in some vulgar, crass, or unhealthy way for it to be empowering. It’s like just sex-appeal is “not enough” these days. It has to cross the line into vulgarity…

 

[Rozellelily]

Actually, tbh, I don’t want to sound judgmental but I think that is a terrible attitude to encourage young people to have. We all will get old before we know it and have “those changes” that seem so “impossible” for us to believe when we are of a young age will ever happen to us .

I don"t believe that non-modesty should only be for the “sexy-bodies” and that the aging female bodies should be covered. This is just valuing women (or sadly sometimes even mocking them) based off external beauty and youth, and in turn no different from the porn industries that want to place our value off the physical.

We need to encourage the young to respect our elders
E.g., yesterday I had the pleasure of being “assaulted” lol in prime-time tv when a program decided to spontaneously show a cheerful topless elderly woman down at Bondi Beach. She looked like I image the women your daughter saw on the French beach.
And the other day, I also received another “random assault”, but this time it was a topless young women in a music clip.
Sure, she had a body to die for. But whether “wrinkly + more, or young” I don’t think these are the things that we should place modesty factors on.

 

[Rozellelily]

It’s really interesting, but Russell Brand (of all people) had some very insightful things to say about the WAP phenomenon. Perhaps he is maturing with age.

But instead of Americans being open to his views, feminist have just accused him of “mansplaining”

(Sorry if anyone is offended by the thumbnail phot0. It just comes up when attaching the youtube link and I can’t see anyway to stop that.)

 

[Rozellelily]

Lol. It’s not that I can’t say it; it’s that I am now aware that I have to word things very carefully for CAF or the thread can be reported. I have had a thread reported on CAF before just for saying the word “budgie smugglers”.

Some forums can have very weird rules. For example, on Etsy shop, people can sell all sorts of “male anatomy wear” with modelled photos from all angles, but if they use the correct word for “the male anatomy” on the forums, they have been banned from Etsy!

So, I am use certain words not because I am a prude, but before I am being cautious on a Catholic rules forum.
Don’t worry, they arn’t my word choice in everyday life

 

[otjm]

If that is her attitude now then she is in for a whole lot of psychological problems when she herself gets older and her own body changes come thick and fast.

You haven’t the faintest idea what her attitude is. She was well aware of changes in women’s bodies as she had a mother and a grandmother, both of whom were involved with her life.

Either you didn’t read very well, or you are sensitive about mattes; her point was that walking around nude was gross - and she is will entitled to her position - without any comments implying psychological instability.

 

[Rozellelily]

I mean what man or women would be happy to walk around in their underwear around in a public place or sit with friends and neighbours in their own own with just a thong and bra lol yet on the beach it’s socially acceptable

Some feel totally fine to do it here also at shared apartment pools.

lso there is no such thing as just repression for it’s own sake, with EVERY repression comes an expression of something else, …

To be fair to @meltzerboy2 I think there probably are two kinds of suppression. The healthy kind that you mentioned, and the unhealthy kind that comes from some people’s extreme religious or cultural upbringing… The healthy kind leading to the selflessness that you mentioned, while the unhealthy kind can sometimes lead to certain people become the complete opposite of their upbringing (both unhealthy extremes).

someone may be dressed modestly yet someone else who may have lust in their heart may still look at them lustfully.

Unfortunately, this is true. Women in Egypt say they can be dressed in full niqab and still be sexually harassed in the street. When reporters asked some guys why they do it, the guys reasoned “well, we can tell by whether she is wearing a tight or loose niqab whether she wants it”. Wow.

 

[otjm]

I don"t believe that non-modesty should only be for the “sexy-bodies” and that the aging female bodies should be covered. This is just valuing women (or sadly sometimes even mocking them) based off external beauty and youth, and in turn no different from the porn industries that want to place our value off the physical.

You might try reading with a bit of discerning. I said that she had a strong sense of modesty - she is not in favor or anyone - men or women - going nude at a beach whether they are “hot bodies” or ones which have aged.