Those Homosexual Animals

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John_Savage said:
Yeah, but did they prefer the company of males to females or was it like prison sex?
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John,

It certainly could not be prison sex…because the writer says…
But after the repeated heartbreak of watching other penguins become parents and raise their young,
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No one is watching prisoners and evaluating their heartbreak and giving them children. You may wonder how the writer knew they were heartbroken?
His keepers report that Rayas has become more anxious due to nervous anticipation of his due date in June
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The keepers seem to developed somthing akin to Penguin whisperers…
Yolanda Martin, who cares for the pair, said: “We wanted them to have something to stay together for – so we got an egg. Otherwise they might have become depressed.”
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You may wonder if some Prozac would have made more sense…why risk the life of a young penguin when an anti-depressant would have solved the problem…
But other “gay” relationships have not ended so happily: Buddy and Pedro, an all-male pairing at Toronto Zoo were put in separate enclosures by keepers who felt they were not making a sufficient contribution to the gene pool.
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So you can see that a holistic approach is not bein taken in Toronto…they should have just given the pair in Toronto some Prozac…
 
Biologically Homosexuality is about forming pair bonds with the same sex. Not so much just having sex with someone of your own sex.

When animals exhibit this behaviour it is because of population pressures, such as having too many of one sex in a given population.
There is a type of sea bird often cited as an sample of homosexual behaviour in animals, but if you actually look at what is happening in the colony you see pair bonding of same sex birds frequently, but when another bird of a different sex becomes available say from death or something like that, well, he or she gets hooked up pretty darn quick!

It really doesn’t occur except casually or under pressure. And if any population had ten percent ( the figure given by most activitsts) of its adult members pair bonding with the same sex, the population would die out fairly quickly.
 
edwest2 said:
Animals do not have human cognition.
Peace,
Ed
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True; so the term “homosexual” as we use it in humans isn’t applicable to animals.
PastorBonus said:
Learned from whom? I don’t recall my parents teach me to be homosexual. Most gays are born to heterosexual parents. Many gays are born to conservative parents who believe the lifestyle is an abomination. Most of these people also happen to live in conservative areas as well. So how did they learned these instincts? Who taught them these behaviors? You cannot learn without a teachers or imitate without a subject you can imitate to. This is both scientific fact and simple logical deduction that you seem to neglect. The only way your theory can work is if homosexuality only arise in those who are born to homosexual parents, which is not often the case.
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ALL homosexual persons are born to heterosexual biological parents. 😉
DrTaffy said:
Yes. The various gay penguin couples for example. :cool:
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Not once was the artificial environment of the “gay penguin couple” addressed.

Many advocates of homosexuality are quick to jump on the “it happens in nature, so it’s natural and thus OK for human beings” bandwagon…which seems to be a good argument if one considers man and animals equal in terms of dignity. Ironic, methinks, that such an argument dismisses the dignity of the human being, all while those who shout the loudest complain that homosexual persons are not treated by the Church as having dignity!
 
Newbie2 said:
True; so the term “homosexual” as we use it in humans isn’t applicable to animals.

Not once was the artificial environment of the “gay penguin couple” addressed.

Many advocates of homosexuality are quick to jump on the “it happens in nature, so it’s natural and thus OK for human beings” bandwagon…which seems to be a good argument if one considers man and animals equal in terms of dignity. Ironic, methinks, that such an argument dismisses the dignity of the human being, all while those who shout the loudest complain that homosexual persons are not treated by the Church as having dignity!
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Newbie,
ALL homosexual persons are born to heterosexual biological parents. 😉
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No one can say for certainty when this person with SSA can be said to have SSA with certainty. The tragedy is that we have those that say…“I knew when I was 5”…so what…no one knows.
 
ALL homosexual persons are born to heterosexual biological parents. 😉

Not all unfortunately anymore, we don’t know what we will have out there.

Now you have lesbians running to sperm banks to get themselves impregnated and gay men mixing up their sperm to put into a surrogate women that will not become the parent to raise them.

No mothers or fathers. Sad that the selfishness of some will be the downfall of others. Who will suffer the most is children.
God help us!
 
Whenever I see homosexualists say that “homosexuality is natural because it’s found in animals”, then I know that it’s a red flag.
Why? Because comparing human homosexual behavior with animal homosexual behavior dehumanizes homosexual persons, since they are in essence, compared to animals when in reality, they are persons.
 
CopticChristian said:
Newbie,
No one can say for certainty when this person with SSA can be said to have SSA with certainty. The tragedy is that we have those that say…“I knew when I was 5”…so what…no one knows.
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speakttruth said:
ALL homosexual persons are born to heterosexual biological parents. 😉

Not all unfortunately anymore, we don’t know what we will have out there.

Now you have lesbians running to sperm banks to get themselves impregnated and gay men mixing up their sperm to put into a surrogate women that will not become the parent to raise them.

No mothers or fathers. Sad that the selfishness of some will be the downfall of others. Who will suffer the most is children.
God help us!
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Read my post again…“All homosexual persons are born to heterosexual **BIOLOGICAL **parents”. i.e. it still takes a contribution of gametes from a man and a woman to make a baby. And ALL homosexual persons are born. 😉
 
CopticChristian said:
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Homosexuality exists in many types of animal types.
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Actually, it doesnt.

To facilitate homosexual acts, human being are required to use artificial interventions to overcome the fact that same sex bodies are not physically compatible.

For example, in the case of two homosexual men, this can be one partner having to wash out his anus (for obvious reasons) and then applying artificial lubrication (again for obvious reasons).

Animals fundamentally lack the capacity for this kind of intervention, meaning the only possible proof of “gay animals” - one animal sodomising another - will never be encountered.

Sure, many animals do try to “hump” innappropriate things - someones leg, an inanimate object, an animal of the same sex. But this doesnt mean they are gay, any more than it means they have a kinky fetish for human legs.

Rather, this is just a reflection of the fact that animals are controlled by their passions - their base urges are what drive them, and they have no means to restrain or rationalise these urges. Hence the occasional innappropriate behaviour. A randy dog is just an erection on legs.

In contrast, humans are supposed to control our passions, not vice versa and we can reason why we should do so. The behaviour of homsoexual men at “saunas” etc is a good example of people who are allowing their passions to control them, and there is much similarity between the behaviour of men in these places and dogs who will hump anything.

“Gay animals” is no more than a big propaganda coup. The most famous story - the gay penguins - was based on complete lies. Looking after eggs together is what male penguins do in the wild, while the females hunt (watch “March of the Penguins” a great documentary).

Instead, the media lied that this case was a special example of two gay penguins trying to make a life and “family” together. Deceitful, malicious, lies. (Unsurprisingly, it has a since been reported that both “gay” penguins now has a girlfriend - so much for “born this way” huh?)

We must always be careful of the lies and deceit the homosexual lobby bombards normal society with. The lies about “gay animals” is a good example of their cunning and duplicitous nature.

Another clever trick they have pulled is that they have managed to normalise the idea that something calld “gay sex” exists. In reality, there is no such thing.

Sex requires two partners to combine their sexual organs. Homosexuals cannot do this and so what they do in bed together - is **not ** sex. They only call it sex, to try and make their relationships / activities seem comparable to normal human sexuality - sadly many people have fallen for this.
 
Newbie2 said:
Read my post again…“All homosexual persons are born to heterosexual **BIOLOGICAL **parents”. i.e. it still takes a contribution of gametes from a man and a woman to make a baby. And ALL homosexual persons are born. 😉
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New,

All people are born…when they are 6 months old, no one would refer to them as homosexual that I know of…so when this is determined is up in the air.
 
Newbie2 said:
Read my post again…“All homosexual persons are born to heterosexual **BIOLOGICAL **parents”. i.e. it still takes a contribution of gametes from a man and a woman to make a baby. And ALL homosexual persons are born. 😉
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I know what you meant, did you understand what I meant? The sad thing is the problems we have now with people like Ricky Martin, Elton Jon, etc. and now some women on NBC says she is having a baby with her girlfriend. Homosexuals can only produce a child by fake means with artificial insemination, and are now replacing the true biological parent with their homosexual partners as the parents. They aren’t heterosexuals doing this to make a baby, they are homosexuals manipulating Science. This is really sad for the children in these Frankenstein experiments. I guess that was my reference to the gay marriage thing that says there are 40 thousand children in California that have gay parents, so we should condone more of these to make gay marriage legal? They aren’t the parent’s they are parents with partners that aren’t the children’s biological parent. A fantasy family. They can’t even be a step father or mother because they aren’t the opposite sex. Plus now they are trying to adopt children and are preference over a real mother and father in some cases depending on how much money they have.

They are so confused, and I feel sorry for them, but who is suffering the most in the end? Because of their selfishness, the children later in life, even as proof in adoption cases with heterosexual couples, start looking for their biological parent no matter how good that parent was. I know this from my sister in law as an adoptive parent.

How can you find a father who was just a sperm donor, or a mother who just makes money using her womb as an oven for homosexual men who want to produce a baby? That leaves a hole in them when they start thinking about having their own children. They start thinking about a grandmother and a grandfather too. What would they have been like, what about aunts, uncles? Do I look like my Dad or Mom? This is going to be happening to them eventually. This is going to cause problems further down the road because they purposely, for there own selfish desires refused them a mother or a father. Isn’t it bad enough we have natural marriage that is a mess as it is? Shouldn’t we be helping natural marriage succeed? Their is no support for natural marriages anymore. The government and the people who are benefited from it don’t care. This is why we are going down this toilet. When are people going to wake up to this nightmare? I know I am probably preaching to the choir. Sorry for the rant. 🤷
GB
 
speakttruth said:
I know what you meant, did you understand what I meant? The sad thing is the problems we have now with people like Ricky Martin, Elton Jon, etc. and now some women on NBC says she is having a baby with her girlfriend. Homosexuals can only produce a child by fake means with artificial insemination, and are now replacing the true biological parent with their homosexual partners as the parents. They aren’t heterosexuals doing this to make a baby, they are homosexuals manipulating Science. This is really sad for the children in these Frankenstein experiments. I guess that was my reference to the gay marriage thing that says there are 40 thousand children in California that have gay parents, so we should condone more of these to make gay marriage legal? They aren’t the parent’s they are parents with partners that aren’t the children’s biological parent. A fantasy family. They can’t even be a step father or mother because they aren’t the opposite sex. Plus now they are trying to adopt children and are preference over a real mother and father in some cases depending on how much money they have.

They are so confused, and I feel sorry for them, but who is suffering the most in the end? Because of their selfishness, the children later in life, even as proof in adoption cases with heterosexual couples, start looking for their biological parent no matter how good that parent was. I know this from my sister in law as an adoptive parent.

How can you find a father who was just a sperm donor, or a mother who just makes money using her womb as an oven for homosexual men who want to produce a baby? That leaves a hole in them when they start thinking about having their own children. They start thinking about a grandmother and a grandfather too. What would they have been like, what about aunts, uncles? Do I look like my Dad or Mom? This is going to be happening to them eventually. This is going to cause problems further down the road because they purposely, for there own selfish desires refused them a mother or a father. Isn’t it bad enough we have natural marriage that is a mess as it is? Shouldn’t we be helping natural marriage succeed? Their is no support for natural marriages anymore. The government and the people who are benefited from it don’t care. This is why we are going down this toilet. When are people going to wake up to this nightmare? I know I am probably preaching to the choir. Sorry for the rant. 🤷
GB
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Truth,

In the context of this thread…

While Homosexuals and those that support the notion of Homosexuality using an animal reference, whether they are from the USA, Australia, The United Kingdom…perhaps we may hear from those same that they

Know many Homosexual animals
Have helped over the years many Homosexual animals
or who knows what else…

What you point out is that absent manipulation, intervention, doing something not natural, as in the penguins then animals do not marry…and those animals demonstrating homosexuality do not parent absent some artificial intervention…

We should perhaps study the effects of those animals born artifically into a situation of homosexual parenting…perhaps we will get from the USA, Canada or the United Kingdom…

“Well, yes…I have been involved with multiple animals born in this artificial environment over the past 20 years and I know their owners…and it is my opinion that these animals are loving, tender animals…based on my numerous contacts and years of experience, may favorites are the gay panda”
 
Bezant said:
You assume the argument is used to justify imitating animal behaviour.

I have never heard anyone make this case (“the monkeys do it, so should we”). Generally this argument is used to counter the argument that homosexuality is unnatural./QUOTE The use of human reason, when unclouded by sin, will always result in right action. This is because human reason naturally wants to order actions which accord with the ultimate good, which is union with God. However, as we are all imperfect beings and sinners, we all tend at times to act contrary to reason and to the natural law which governs right reason, and in violating natural law also act contrary to Divine law, from which natural law flows. This is why in human beings, homosexual activity is always a grave sin, and what the animals do is quite irrelevant.
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From the moral theology standpoint: The use of human reason, when unclouded by sin, will always result in right action. This is because human reason naturally wants to order actions which accord with the ultimate good, which is union with God. However, as we are all imperfect beings and sinners, our reason is often clouded by our sinfulness, so we all tend at times to act contrary to reason and to the natural law which governs right reason, and in violating natural law also act contrary to Divine law, from which natural law flows.

Of course, as one’s reason becomes more and more clouded by frequent indulgence in grave sin, one will start using one’s reason in a twisted and flawed way, e.g. convincing one’s self that it is reasonable to engage in homosexual activity. One’s flawed reason may even find justification for homosexual activity in the actions of soulless animals. However, there is never any logic in acting contrary to one’s ultimate happiness, which again is union with God and the beatific vision in Heaven.
 
Deltadeliquent said:
When animals exhibit this behaviour it is because of population pressures, such as having too many of one sex in a given population.

It really doesn’t occur except casually or under pressure.
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Let me make a small correction here. There actually is a biological purpose to what, to us, may APPEAR to be homosexual activity among animals that has nothing to do with population pressures.

I have raised thousands of animals, mostly cattle (though other herd animals do the same thing). Cattle frequently do what is commonly referred to as 'bulling". Females will mount other females that are in heat. The behavior immediately attracts the attention of the herd bull or bulls who are instinctively programmed to react to that visual and go breed the mounted animal. Bulls, you see, don’t keep track. They breed on the basis of visual cues like “bulling” and on scent. Based on the movement alone, they think they have a rival bull trying to breed their herd and go tend to their duty.

So it’s likely that some animal behaviors that some think are “homosexual” are actually part of the complex of biological cues that lead to normal breeding among animals.

As I said, I have raised thousands of animals in my time and have never seen anything that appeared to be “homosexual” behavior in the human sense. Never.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Let me make a small correction here. There actually is a biological purpose to what, to us, may APPEAR to be homosexual activity among animals that has nothing to do with population pressures.

I have raised thousands of animals, mostly cattle (though other herd animals do the same thing). Cattle frequently do what is commonly referred to as 'bulling". Females will mount other females that are in heat. The behavior immediately attracts the attention of the herd bull or bulls who are instinctively programmed to react to that visual and go breed the mounted animal. Bulls, you see, don’t keep track. They breed on the basis of visual cues like “bulling” and on scent. Based on the movement alone, they think they have a rival bull trying to breed their herd and go tend to their duty.

So it’s likely that some animal behaviors that some think are “homosexual” are actually part of the complex of biological cues that lead to normal breeding among animals.

As I said, I have raised thousands of animals in my time and have never seen anything that appeared to be “homosexual” behavior in the human sense. Never.
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Ridge,

Now we wait for a sympathizing Catholic from the USA, Canada or the United Kingdom or Singapore to counter with…

“in my 20 year experience of many cows that have come to me to discuss this very issue, as a cow whisperer, it is my belief based on the numerous of forlorn cows that this appears as you say, but in fact these poor destitute cows are truly longing for female/female companionship that no bull can provde…as they, as you say…don’t keep track…this is my experience that I gathered while performing my duties as a travelling salesman and part time cow whisperer and my experience shows you are wrong…”:eek:
 
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