Those Homosexual Animals

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Can someone please explain to me how come homosexuality in the animal kingdom has only been observed in the last 30 years. Prior to that nothing.

I had two female rabbits and one day I thought something was up, I thought maybe one was a male, maybe one was confused and said to itself, well there’s two of us so maybe Im the male.

I was viewing the situation from the completely wrong angle. What was happening is that one rabbit was on heat, the other rabbit knew that because they work off smell and it jumped on the back of the first female so that no male rabbit could take advantage of the situation, because she was going to be the alpha breeder, not her friend.

So what looked like homosexuality was the complete opposite. It was heterosexual prevention of sex. Jumping on the back of another animal of even another species is an act of submission by alphas. For starters the front legs are usually in the wrong place for sex, the tail is in the wrong place, the anatomy is entirely in the wrong place, and the front paws are being used as grab hold and don’t let them move devices.

I have collected a reasonable number of such pictures that are published on the internet claiming homosexuality in the animal kingdom. The interpretation is way wrong because we have totally lost understanding of the animal kingdom because of our blatant disassociation of it thanks to urbanisation and now everything since the sex revolution is usually about sex.

Hence we have only seen it in the last 30 years.
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
Historically most of humanity was illiterate meaning no writing and most of them were more worried about survival than philosophy. In this way much of the people who lived and died are excluded.

Most people throughout history were incapable of doing 2/3 of what was said.
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Humans are rational . Animals are not. Humans reason. Animals cannot. Your point is lost on me.
 
CopticChristian said:
Your original point that recording was new…

Recording may be new but activity is not new and your point here leaves me sallow for a satisfying response to the notion that what we do is not new and what is recorded is new.
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"fix:
Name one bird that has [1] written poetry, [2] designed a philosophical proof, [3] worshiped God.
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  1. Societies which could not write could not write poetry, to assert otherwise is to claim a≠a.
  2. Philosophy is a product of settled society whereas most of the history of man has in fact been not settled.
  3. There have historically been very few monotheistic religions, the primary ones are: Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
epan said:
FAP’s exist in animals, and to a lesser extent in humans, especially as they mature. You could make a case that infants exhibit some fixed behaviors, but those quickly become plastic.

However, your argument fails overall until you can show that human sexual orientation, not only behavior, is subject to voluntary modification. The reason that anti-gay Christians are losing the argument daily, is that they keep trying to focus on behavior, instead of the more important issue of sexual orientation. Hence, their opinion is dismissed as largely irrelevant to the discussion.

There are a handful of practitioners who claim to be able to re-orient a person’s sexuality. These people are so far on the fringe, that they are not taken seriously by their professional peers. Indeed, in some cases they are ostracized for being harmful to patients.

I agree with you that animal behavior, while instructive in many ways, is rarely directly analogous to human behavior, and particularly to human sexuality. Primates are the closest, for obvious reasons. I think there are examples among geese of same gender couples, who tend to pair up for life.

I know that this is a favorite topic of yours, but if you hope to convince anyone of anything, then you should probably change your focus, and come up with a new approach.
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fix said:
Humans are rational . Animals are not. Humans reason. Animals cannot. Your point is lost on me.
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Humans are rational because humans are rational and animals are not rational because animals are not rational both feel like tautologies.
 
CopticChristian said:
Thus spoke Zarathustra and now Epan…

You don’t have to like my approach, you don’t have to like my focus, you don’t have to read these posts nor respond…vote with your post…don’t…

Concerning change you have an opinion.

and we shall now wait for Phil Marinus to respond
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hehe… sounds like I hit your soft spot. carry on.
 
My response to those that proffer these studies of “observed same-sex behavior in the animal kingdom argument” is: what evidence is there in these studies that differentiate between coerced versus voluntary involvement?
 
epan said:
hehe… sounds like I hit your soft spot. carry on.
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I appreciate that you find humor in something. Exactly what that is remains open to discussion. I have many soft spots. The first was when my skull sutures closed and that is now gone. The area below the arcuate line on my abdomen as you know is a weak place as well. The web space between my thumb and index finger is soft. Underneath my chin between my thyroid cartlige and mentum is also soft. The popliteal space is soft. Yup lots of soft spots.😃
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
  1. Societies which could not write could not write poetry, to assert otherwise is to claim a≠a.
  2. Philosophy is a product of settled society whereas most of the history of man has in fact been not settled.
  3. There have historically been very few monotheistic religions, the primary ones are: Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Humans are rational because humans are rational and animals are not rational because animals are not rational both feel like tautologies.
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I listed a few examples to show that humans are rational. To compare animals and humans in such a way is absurd. There are no tautologies here I was just pointing out the obvious.
 
fix said:
I listed a few examples to show that humans are rational. To compare animals and humans in such a way is absurd. There are no tautologies here I was just pointing out the obvious.
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So you feel that the rationality of man and the irrationality of beast is an a priori?
 
Dakota_Roberts said:
You really don’t know what you are talking about.
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I know exactly what I am talking about.

Its true that - in order to sodomise one another - homosexual men must first wash out their anuses, for obvious reasons, and then apply artificial lubrication - again for obvious reasons.

These necessities are to enable them to overcome the fact that their bodies are not physically compatible and sodomy represents a fundamental mis-use of the body. (using a disposal route for human waste as a sexual orifice).

Attempting to dismiss facts without substantiation is a useless tactic best left to homosexual activists 😉

It never fails to amaze me how casually and quickly people will attempt to rubbish long -established biological science when discussing homosexuality!

(The other sections of that post were not addressed to me.)

Cheers
GWright
 
GWright said:
I know exactly what I am talking about.

Its true that - in order to sodomise one another - homosexual men must first wash out their anuses, for obvious reasons, and then apply artificial lubrication - again for obvious reasons.

These necessities are to enable them to overcome the fact that their bodies are not physically compatible and sodomy represents a fundamental mis-use of the body. (using a disposal route for human waste as a sexual orifice).

Attempting to dismiss facts without substantiation is a useless tactic best left to homosexual activists 😉

It never fails to amaze me how casually and quickly people will attempt to rubbish long -established biological science when discussing homosexuality!

(The other sections of that post were not addressed to me.)

Cheers
GWright
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People have in fact been engaging in anal sex long before artificial lubricant has been available , see Doctor St. Peter Damian’s Liber Gomorrhianus published in 1051 or 2500 year old Greek pottery and as you say they “must” then you in fact are wrong.

PS, some people actually prefer going in dry.
fix said:
When will they have a rational soul?
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Even severely retard human beings have human souls despite them being unable to reason.
 
Let’s take an example of a mental illness. How about OCD. We can all agree that OCD is a disorder. No one denies this. It goes against what is considered normal human behavior and it has no purpose in normal human behavior. If every person in the world had OCD there would be major issues. Now, what if everyone in the entire world suddenly decided to consider OCD a normal condition equal with all other human conditions. Wouldn’t what is now considered “normal” human behavior be distorted and disordered?

In the same way, any animal or person that displays homosexual behavior is behaving in a disordered way since that behavior has no specific purpose and is out of the norm of the behavior of their species. If everyone accepts this behavior as normal rather than out of the ordinary, suddenly what was once considered “normal” behavior becomes distorted and disordered since the disordered behavior is now part of the norm.
 
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