Thou Shalt Not Kill

[Almagore]

I thank the person who gave the original Hebrew and said it means, “Thou shall not murder”. I read that the meaning of the Hebrew is, “Thou shall not lie in wait to kill someone” This is pre meditated Murder.

If you kill someone who is trying to kill you (self Defense) and this was the first time he tried to kill anyone, you have saved him from committing the sin of Murder and have not committed a sin your self. You may have saved that person from going to Hell.

To the person who takes the commandment to mean thou shall not kill anything and so does not even kill bugs; Plants are also alive and even if eaten raw they die in your stomach. So in order not to kill anything you can’t eat plants either. But then you will starve to death and would have killed yourself which is the murder of a human being.

I hope I have written something that has been helpful to someone. As an aside, the Bible is the inerrant Word of God only in the original Hebrew and Greek of the original texts. All translations have problems due to the difficulty of translating one word in the original language with one word in English. Whenever in doubt it is necessary to go back to the definition of the word in the original Hebrew or Greek. There is a website, <blueletterbible.com> where you can read the Bible in any of about 10 translations and where it is easy to get the definition of the word in the original language.

God bless every one who reads or comments in this forum.

 

[Dave_Noonan]

I thank the person who gave the original Hebrew and said it means, “Thou shall not murder”. I read that the meaning of the Hebrew is, “Thou shall not lie in wait to kill someone” This is pre meditated Murder.

That’s just not correct. The Hebrew verb רצח (same verb as in Exodus 20:13) is used for the act of legal execution in Numbers 35. An legally authorized executioner does not commit “murder” nor does an executioner “lie in wait.”

 

[R_C]

Thank you for your kind words.

I am, however, very skeptic of interpreting the Old Testament out of my own intuition. In the Old Testament we are allowed to do - in appearance - many things that are not pleasing to God. Even to stone an adulterous woman. I am no expert and, Deo gratias, never found myself in such a terrible situation as to see myself debated on whether or not I had to lie (though I trust the Holy Spirit to take over in such a situation).

I left the Gospel quote until the end, for it has been shown that there was no false witness in these words of the Lord.

From Gill’s Exposition:

*But after his brethren were gone up, then he also went up to the feast, not openly, but, as it were, in secret. *

According to the law, it was necessary that he should be there on the first and second days, and keep the Chagigah, and make his appearance in the court.

I go not up yet unto this feast

This clause, in one of Beza’s copies, is wholly left out; and in some, the word “this” is not read; and in others it is read, “I go not up unto this feast”; leaving out the word “yet”; and so read the Vulgate Latin and Ethiopic versions; and the Persic version only, “I do not go up”; which occasioned Porphyry, that great enemy of Christianity, to reproach Christ, as guilty of inconstancy, or of an untruth, since he afterwards did go up: but in almost all the ancient copies the word is read; and so it is by Chrysostom and Nonnus; and to the same sense the Syriac and Arabic versions render it, “I do not go up now to this feast”; that is, just at that very time, that very day or hour: which is entirely consistent with what is afterwards said, for my time is not yet full come; not to die, or to be glorified, but to go up to the feast.

Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible

I go not up yet unto this feast

Porphyry accuses our blessed Lord of falsehood, because he said here, I will not go to this feast, and yet afterwards he went; and some interpreters have made more ado than was necessary, in order to reconcile this seeming contradiction. To me the whole seems very simple and plain. Our Lord did not say, I will not go to this feast; but merely, I go not yet, ουπω, or am not going, i.e. at present; because, as he said John 7:6, and repeats here, his time was not yet come

For these reasons, I do not think those texts overrule the official teaching:

A lie consists in speaking a falsehood with the intention of deceiving …] By its very nature, lying is to be condemned.

 

[Infiltrator]

As a Catholic, I believe in the saints.

People these days have read the ancient greek and believed that it says “Thou shalt not murder” and it does in Greek. If you take Christ out of it, it sure is “Thou shalt not murder”

But as soon as you read it through Christ and the saints, you get a very different interperetation. For me, I take other saints that wrote in Greek from around the time of the bible for my compass. They are the least to be “blinded” by modern thought.

So what do the early saints say?

“A soldier of the civil authority must be taught not to kill men and to refuse to do so if he is commanded, and to refuse to take an oath. If he is unwilling to comply, he must be rejected for baptism. A military commander or civic magistrate must resign or be rejected. If a believer seeks to become a soldier, he must be rejected, for he has despised God.” —Saint Hippolytus of Rome(170 – 235)

Thou shalt not KILL. its pretty simle.