Thought process of non Christians who use the New Testament

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Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.-. 1 Peter 1 : 3 -8

Amen :harp:

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.-. 1 Peter 1 : 3 -8

Amen :harp:

MJ
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Never Truer Words Spoken.

I see in this that to He that Overcometh! Christ has given a promise.

The Father has offered to you the promise of verse 9

Verse 5 tells you when it is time to make a choice.

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Never Truer Words Spoken.

I see in this that to He that Overcometh! Christ has given a promise.

The Father has offered to you the promise of verse 9

Verse 5 tells you when it is time to make a choice.

Regards Tony
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Keep reading more Tony but more importantly pray with us readings of the Liturgy of the Word. Without the Liturgy there would be no New Testament.🙂

The Eucharistic meal was part and parcel of Christian life which then facilitated the New Testament.

Plus question of the day: How many times was the word New Testament or Covenant did Jesus use. 🙂

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Plus question of the day: How many times was the word New Testament or Covenant did Jesus use. 🙂 MJ
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How many times was the Word Covenant (New testament) used? It Would depend on the Translation used.

Also which Covenant are we Talking About, the Greater or Lesser Covenants.

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Thank you Ignatian,

Yes the Baha’i Faith will remain Pure and Uncorrupted for quite some time.

That there will be a Manifestation after the expiration of a full thousand years, does make one conclude that it may be because we have once again distorted the teachings.

But that is yet to be known unto man, we learn from the past and we can not know the Future. 😉

God bless and regards Tony.
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You have no way of knowing or garunteeing that. If Islam, Judaism and Christianity are to be taken as reflections of a pattern, then you are most likely already corrupt.

You didn’t answer my question, as per usual. Will the next manifestation teach a different or same doctrine from the new testament like the Bahai do?
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
You have no way of knowing or garunteeing that. If Islam, Judaism and Christianity are to be taken as reflections of a pattern, then you are most likely already corrupt.

You didn’t answer my question, as per usual. Will the next manifestation teach a different or same doctrine from the new testament like the Bahai do?
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The great thing is that this as per the Bible, this will be the Day not followed by Night, this Covenant of God will stand the Test of Time to which it has stood strong an firm to date. The Covenant has been strongly tested on many occasions and Has not been Divided.👍

Why do you continue to ask of what can not be known, I am not Prophet - I did answer this many times by the Statement God Doeth as He Willeth as He will also in the Future 🤷

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
The great thing is that this as per the Bible, this will be the Day not followed by Night, this Covenant of God will stand the Test of Time to which it has stood strong an firm to date. The Covenant has been strongly tested on many occasions and Has not been Divided.👍

Why do you continue to ask of what can not be known, I am not Prophet - I did answer this many times by the Statement God Doeth as He Willeth as He will also in the Future 🤷

Regards Tony
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You say it cannot be known. Is it then possible that the New testament has no meaning in Bahai other than what the current manifestation says it means? That is it possible (not asking if this is the case) that with the coming of your next prophet, that he might totally contradict your prophet’s understanding and yet that would be the correct reading because it is the next manifestation’s revelation.

Or is it that there is a real reading to the New testament that best encapsulates it’s meaning that is the same from one generation to the next?

Are these both legitimate possibilities?
 
TonyBS said:
How many times was the Word Covenant (New testament) used? It Would depend on the Translation used.

Also which Covenant are we Talking About, the Greater or Lesser Covenants.

Regards Tony
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Then more study on the New Testament from the Church is necessary for you. It Is very simple really. You can join us. Daily readings from the NT. For courtesy please inform which Bible you use. Don’t be afraid 🙂

MJ
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
You say it cannot be known. Is it then possible that the New testament has no meaning in Bahai other than what the current manifestation says it means? That is it possible (not asking if this is the case) that with the coming of your next prophet, that he might totally contradict your prophet’s understanding and yet that would be the correct reading because it is the next manifestation’s revelation.

Or is it that there is a real reading to the New testament that best encapsulates it’s meaning that is the same from one generation to the next?

Are these both legitimate possibilities?
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Ignatianphilo, how many Bible translations have different number of times Jesus mention the New Testament /Covenant? I dont seem to find any differences? Have you?:hmmm:

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Ignatianphilo, how many Bible translations have different number of times Jesus mention the New Testament /Covenant? I dont seem to find any differences? Have you?:hmmm: MJ
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Question originally posted was “question of the day: “How many times was the word New Testament or Covenant did Jesus used”” (added a D to use) :confused:

Really, If you want an answer TO A QUESTION. then ask THE Question you want the answer for 🤷

Thus to the original question asked the way it was, One may find it mentioned between somewhere 20 to 30 times depending on the Translation

or How many time was a Covenant Mentioned?

This Question would be About “Upon this Rock i will Build My Church” in Matthew.

So which Question is it? 😉

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Question originally posted was “question of the day: “How many times was the word New Testament or Covenant did Jesus used”” (added a D to use) :confused:

Really, If you want an answer TO A QUESTION. then ask THE Question you want the answer for 🤷

Thus to the original question asked the way it was, One may find it mentioned between somewhere 20 to 30 times depending on the Translation

or How many time was a Covenant Mentioned?

This Question would be About “Upon this Rock i will Build My Church” in Matthew.

So which Question is it? 😉

Regards Tony
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I’ll repeat. How many times did Jesus mention the New Testament /Covenant?

There’s more to what I’m getting at (through the Auspices of the Church) that gave the New Testament. Jesus mentions for a reason. I hope you can think over this.

Secondly which translations? You need to be clear. Specify.🙂

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
I’ll repeat. How many times did Jesus mention the New Testament /Covenant?

There’s more to what I’m getting at (through the Auspices of the Church) that gave the New Testament. Jesus mentions for a reason. I hope you can think over this.

Secondly which translations? You need to be clear. Specify.🙂 MJ
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Sorry MJ do not know what you are asking here, Maybe you are referring to passage such as 1 Cor 11:25 "In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” This being from NIV

You will have make it clearer, or not 😉

I can not even answer How many Times Baha’u’llah Mentioned the “New Greater Covenant” and New “Lesser Covenants” of God with Man in the 100’s + Volumes of His Writings, or Even the Covenants of the Koran or the Old Testament.

I am guessing you can with the New Testament/ Covenant as you already have an answer in mind. 😉

Regards Tony
 
TonyBS said:
Sorry MJ do not know what you are asking here, Maybe you are referring to passage such as 1 Cor 11:25 "In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” This being from NIV

You will have make it clearer, or not 😉

I can not even answer How many Times Baha’u’llah Mentioned the “New Greater Covenant” and New “Lesser Covenants” of God with Man in the 100’s + Volumes of His Writings, or Even the Covenants of the Koran or the Old Testament.

I am guessing you can with the New Testament/ Covenant as you already have an answer in mind. 😉

Regards Tony
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Very good. That’s it. Congratulations. 🙂

So, now which translation are you using?

It’s never about me alone and not opinions except The Spirit of Truth. It’s also about the Church a community of Love an Everlasting Love based on the Person of Jesus, who humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross .

Once again, this thread is about the New Testament. Focus on it. Thanks.

MJ
 
Tony, I was not accurate enough as I would have liked to have been due to time constraints. 1 Cor is part of the answer. Can you find more? I’ll wait till you examine more deeper. Although I was under the impression that you knew the Bible Back to Front. :hmmm:

As it is not clear to me, about whether the Bible is known back to front from your side, you’ll still have to provide which Translation you are using. So the heurmentics are more accurate.

MJ
 
i have not read nothing of bahaullah or his teachings that leads me to believe that i need them for anything.

i have no idea why bahai idolize bahaullah. nothing the self-proclaimed bahai, whose writings i have read here, have written provides any reason for me to think bahaullah will give me more life than i have already received through Jesus.

if a person never encounters bahaullah or his writings, what do they lack?

and on a different topic, for what do the bahai hope?
 
MartinJordan said:
Tony, I was not accurate enough as I would have liked to have been due to time constraints. 1 Cor is part of the answer. Can you find more? I’ll wait till you examine more deeper. Although I was under the impression that you knew the Bible Back to Front. :hmmm:

As it is not clear to me, about whether the Bible is known back to front from your side, you’ll still have to provide which Translation you are using. So the heurmentics are more accurate.

MJ
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To Answer the post Question Martin, the Thought Processes of a Baha’i Using the Bible is by the Keys to Understanding of the Bible and all Holy Texts of the past given by Baha’u’llah.

My understanding of the Bible is Given by Baha’u’llah, I never looked at much previously, even though brought up in Church of England and attended Sunday School, there was no intent to practice any Faith.

I Have a King James and NIV Translation.

The Understanding of all the Holy Books has one Key, they are all from God.

Thus can I look at a bible quote Like “I am the Way the Truth and the Light no One Comes to the Father But by Me” in a way that would say no other religion has this same Path?

No I can not and I see in this Passage a Universe of Meaning which is inclusive of all Religions, again this thought process is from Baha’u’llah. The Station of Baha’u’llah is the Father. So you can see that Christ is saying that you have to Have Jesus the Christ in your heart before you can come to the Father, Baha’u’llah.

This is our thought processes for using the Bible, Koran etc etc.

Eddie Has asked questions above, that he has asked on many occasions, what do Baha’i’s hope, we hope the whole world can come to love the Father and at the same time realize that nothing is lost in their Love for their Prophet as it is God we all Worship.

Yes I will conclude that will have Institutional ramifications and over the coming years the results of this change will start to become obvious to all Humanity. As the change happens may fellowship and Love in God Prevail.

Regards Tony
 
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