Thoughts on Amazon Synod

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Giving blessings is something, admittedly, I didn’t consider. I’d have to look into that some more. As far as how it would work, do you mean how (by whom) it would be permitted?
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How that’s possible and who would permit it, yes.
 
I do not understand why you have a problem with the cloths that some of the native Amazonian are wearing. In the USA our tribes who are Catholic are always wearing their tribal cloths when they have a sacred dance or some special celebration to honor their heritage. Even at all the youth masses with JPII (saint) , with pope Benedict ,
people Polish, African and Indigenous wore their native cloths. Have you ever read the story of Saint Peter Claver ?
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He was concerned for the people not their appearance, except for wanting to protect their dignity which the European Slave traders had no human concern for.
 
It was in his September 5 meeting with the Jesuits of Mozambique and Madagascar. He discussed how a young woman from South Africa excitedly introduced him to two young converts to Catholicism, one from Hinduism and the other from Anglicanism. He said she made him feel “uncomfortable” and that he “felt a certain bitterness” after meeting with these young people, and judged her motivations as akin to “showing off a hunting trophy” after which he reproved her for “proselytizing.”

https://www.laciviltacattolica.com/...ets-the-jesuits-of-mozambique-and-madagascar/
 
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Aquinas11 said:
God is permitting Satan to have his way
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Yep. Just like in Job, and just like in Pope Leo XIII’s vision:
While he was attending Mass in 1884 Pope Leo XIII reportedly had a vision and overheard a conversation between God and the devil, Satan. The conversation purported to be a request by Satan for the 75 to 100 years he needed in order to destroy the Catholic Church. God reportedly granted Satan’s request
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It seems to me that these people in their tribal garb are almost being used as props. Is Pope Francis trying to attract the tribal people (about 900,00) in Brazil, or the 42 million Brazilian Pentecostals (who recently used to be Catholic) as @BartholomewB has implied?
I think his messaging is good for media marketing, as @BartholomewB has said, but is leaving Catholics worldwide confused.
I know I have the following questions:
  1. Is this a new circumstance that Amazon tribal people are short on priests?
  2. Why this attention now?
  3. Is the pope trying to woo back all the Catholics who have left? If not, why not?
 
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Obviously that young South African woman converted those people at gunpoint, or swordpoint, or something. I’m sure she has fond memories of meeting our pontiff!
 
Loud-living-dogma said:
  1. Is this a new circumstance that Amazon tribal people are short on priests?
  2. Why this attention now?
  3. Is the pope trying to woo back all the Catholics who have left? If not, why not?
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In answer to your questions 1 and 2, here’s a comment I posted in June of last year:

I think I remember posting something about this here at CAF a few years back, when Erwin Kräutler was still the bishop of the prelature of Xingu in Brazil. He campaigned strenuously, for years on end, both for women and for married men to be ordained priests, to meet the need for bringing the Eucharist to the scattered communities in his vast, sparsely populated prelature. Under Benedict XVI he realized he was getting nowhere, but when Francis was elected he renewed his campaign, believing he might now get a sympathetic hearing in Rome. His fellow Brazilian bishops advised him to drop his call for women priests and to concentrate on married men, telling him it would improve his chances of success.

At the end of 2015, however, when Kräutler was 76, the Pope accepted his resignation. The new bishop, João Muniz Alves, doesn’t seem to have kept up the pressure for the ordination of married men, at least in public. Alves is a low-key bishop, but he is believed to be talking to the CNBB, the national bishops’ conference, about the proposal and it’s too early to say the idea has gone away. My hunch is that we may very well be hearing much more about it between now and the end of next year.
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I think I remember posting something about this here at CAF a few years back, when Erwin Kräutler was still the bishop of the prelature of Xingu in Brazil. He campaigned strenuously, for years on end, both for women and for married men to be ordained priests, to meet the need for bringing the Eucharist to the scattered communities in his vast, sparsely populated prelature. Under Benedict XVI he realized he was getting nowhere, but when Francis was elected he renewed his campaign, believing he m…
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MiserereMeiDei said:
Yet for some reason, they’re sending priests from Africa here? Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad to have nice conservative priests, but this priest shortage in the Amazon seems a touch fabricated if they’re sending them to the US where we seem to have more priests per capita than they do.
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Same here in the UK, there seems to be quite a few African priests here. They generally seem very good priests and I am grateful that they are here, but your point about the shortage in the Amazon is a fair point. Perhaps it is more difficult logistically and there may also be work permit issues when it comes to sending priests from African countries to South America? Perhaps there are also cultural issues between African countries and South American countries which are more marked than between African countries and the UK, or between African countries and the USA?
 
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I’m tired of the excuses. I’ve tried to trust the Pope. I’ve tried to put my faith in the Holy Spirit. God knows how hard I’ve tried. And for a few months, things seemed to be quiet. I should’ve known it was the quiet before the storm. Now this. THIS. Does the hierarchy think so lowly of me that they’d do anything and everything to push me further away from the Catholic Church?
 
Silly question – is there a time limit from when the Eucharist is confected, and when it should be consumed?
We have laypeople deliver the Eucharist to homebound people every week.
This can’t be a new circumstance, right, in the Amazon region? Why the huge push for married / women etc now?
 
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Loud-living-dogma said:
Why the huge push for married / women etc now ?
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Women priests cannot happen, regardless of how great a push there might be. When it comes to married priests, regardless of whether or not we would like it, it isn’t an issue of doctrine and it is within the prerogative of the pope should he choose to decide on this. As laity, I don’t think it is our place to oppose married priests, should the pope decide. Women ‘priests’ would be different matter entirely.
 
You weren’t baptized into the pope or the bishops. Abandoning the barque of Peter will only get you killed. The are no other ways to heaven. The church survived the Arian crisis, she’ll survived this and and other as well.
 
Yes, mixed agenda and having married priests is not even the answer or the question for the need of more vocations to the priesthood for the Amazon.
 
Research what is the meaning (specially in latinoamerica) of the green scarfs the people of these pictures is wearing around their necks. No one on South America wears one of these casually, everyone here knows its meaning.
Just Google “pañuelos verdes”.
 
Those in the photos seem to have a pattern, a leaf . There seem to be white , green and yellow with the same leaf. The symbol of this synod if I am not mistaken.It blurs in my photos
I know perfectly well what you mean about the green lenços but it doesn t seem to be this case. Don t forget either that green and yellow is also the flag of Brazil.
Not saying there may not be who mingles among the crowd but it seems not to be the case here.
 
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