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A very similar crisis occurred over here in Britain with our Labour Party, which had been my country’s main centre-left party. Labour was booted out of office when the Tory-Lib Dem coalition government came to power in 2010, after the electorate lost faith in the party due to its getting us into two Middle Eastern wars and what-not. It was also a mass revolt against Blairism.

Last year, the party lost in a massive landslide to the Tories (our main centre-right party). This resulted in a popular, grassroots movement to elect a radical leftist, Marxist sympathiser by the name of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the party (and consequently Her Majesty’s Opposition). The goal was to smite the Labour establishment, most of whom were not radically left-wing but only moderately so.

Against all the odds and to shock-horror from the rest of the country, including Labour voters such as myself, Jeremy Corbyn defeated all the other establishment candidates by a huge margin and rose to power on the back of his popular wave of grassroots support, which had coalesced into a visible movement called “Momentum”.

When Corbyn took over the reins of power in the party, many establishment MPs resigned from the shadow cabinet in outrage at his overt Marxism. I myself, have shifted my vote from Labour to the Liberal Democrats (which in the UK is a centrist party or party of the Radical Centre) since I cannot in good conscience endorse a Hamas-friendly Marxist ideologue. The Party looks set to lose the next election and is riven with intense infighting between those moderates who back the establishment Labour Party (nicknamed the PLP or “Parliamentary Labour Party”) and the rabble-rousers of ‘Momentum’, who are very vigorous in their campaigning and often utilize intimidating tactics.

Why do I bring this up? Because what is happening in the United States is not unique. It is merely a uniquely American variant of a populist, anti-elitist wave that is sweeping across the entire Western world and wrecking havoc with our political systems. Moderates of all stripes (and I include myself in that category) are fearing for the future of sensible, constitutional democracy itself.
 
I believe that Donald Trump suffers from an Authoritarian Personality Disorder which should have been addressed before his run for office.
 
Ist off its the marxist socialist so called progressive leftist democrats who have fires burning all over the world from Yemen to Libya, Syria, Iraq Afghan to contradiction with the muslim brotherhood here and with muslims seeking real reform to embracing the royal guard only loyal to the psychotic religious leader of Iran. Further its these same socialist communists who created the mess in Ukraine with Putin with foolish resets and with Cuba kissing butt of dictators. Then NK blows of nuclear warheads and Obama sends food and aid. In Israel then want to prop up Israel with weapons and military and wage war with Palestine whom they quickly associate with Isis and seek to destroy without one word of talk but by anyone BUT Trump.

The only one who remotely doesn’t want to further escalate all this is Trump. The rest want to destroy Hamas and Palestine no inkling of talk, break the Obama deal with Iran immediately again no real talk. Hunt Isis with shock and awe while they critique Trump for admitting innocent people may indeed be hurt. Further Rubio and Cruz want to dash the work Obama did immediately with Cuba which as bad as it is you simply can’t insist tomorrow Cuba cuts ties with Russia and China insist they remove these countries operations from the Island like dictators themselves. Further arming Ukraine may again be a need, but not without negotiation with Putin. The simple fact is aside from the culture of death marxist socialist communist leftists all Trumps GOP competition are war mongers. And anyone who actually listened to anything but the yelling for months would actually know that. But no they are to busy with rhetoric and compared drama in some odd fashion to the figment of the imagination. Further even the Communist democrats admit Trump is the only one with a lucid conversation able to address H1-B and 2 free trade along with the obvious on-going mess HRC and Billy boy created in the 90s.

Whats happened in the US happened with the horror show socialist communists Obama and crew running this country already. The answer isn’t more of that communism war and dictatorship expecting different results and the answer isn’t world war with fake line drawing and threats of immediate war with everyone and every mistake Obama made along the way. The only one who remotely sounds like a civil leader is Trump.

Thanks, good to see all are actually following the rhetoric and not the actual points of interaction with all these issues the socialists created and establishment did rather nothing about.
 
I don’t know a lot about the British situation, but in terms of America I’d say it’s inaccurate to claim that the Republicans who are voting for Trump are doing it “because they hate the GOP establishment” or “to spite the GOP establishment”.
 
Robert_Sock said:
I believe that Donald Trump suffers from an Authoritarian Personality Disorder which should have been addressed before his run for office.
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Not any different from Hillary, Bernie, Cruz or Rubio if you ask me.

We already have one in office right now.
 
Actually I seek true peace and fair trade while embracing national security and rebuilding the economy and infrastructure. Trump is the only one speaking lucid without persistent war mongering. 🤷 If thats crazy then I’ll be that all day long while all I see with the others is immature rhetoric lacking plans while claiming the opposite of Trump and war mongering. I embrace addressing the radical issue permeating from within Islam also.

And as far as core conservative principles Trump hits all the marks and most christians and conservatives obviously agree. Despite the propaganda and rhetoric too.

By the time I vote since I’m independent thus can’t vote in the primary the choice will be made so I really don;t get too excited about this entire process though I do listen and carefully. Trump hits on all the right notes despite the PC attack which admittedly is unfortunate but it was needed with the radical left and its confusion of respect. They can’t as you see even speak without insulting people and often with violence and when they are treated much the same they whine like the immature people they are. Its not hard to see the by large the blue collar following are not buying the baby talk and actions. Thats how I see it. I find much of it amusing on one hand and mildly disturbing on the other that our all inclusive liberal brain washing we call education has produced such an entitled breed.
 
The problem as I see it is that many people are disillusioned with establishment parties and politics in the West, which either fail to live up to the ideals they claim to adhere too out of political expediency or have entirely given up espousing any ideals at all. People then turn to radical idealists on both the right and left of the political spectrum, who do proclaim ideals and moreover are seen to be incapable of compromising or betraying them.

On the left in Britain, Corbyn’s calls to abolish the free market and the trident nuclear deterrent and on the right in America, Trump’s calls to temporarily ban Muslims and build a wall at the Mexican border, are instances of two men who seem to have visions and the actual will to implement them, really at any cost and no matter how much opprobrium they receive from the mainstream political voices. The disillusioned, disaffected masses seem to find such populism electrifying and addictive. If I can steal from Karl Marx, I’d go as far as to say that it’s the 21st century’s “opiate for the masses”.

In reality, such radical, closed-minded idealism will only lead to more polarization, incompetence and chaos in government. What is needed, above all, is “practical idealism”: politicians who espouse ideals and will not drop them out of political expediency but who equally are not self-professed dogmatists but rather people who will make the necessary compromises and negotiations to bring their ideals to fruition in the real world, in collaboration with those who might not agree or agree entirely with their vision.

The practical idealists are missing from the equation: the radical political dogmatists/idealists and the politically expedient opportunists seem to have the playing field to themselves. What has happened to good old-fashioned pragmatism?
 
People then turn to radical idealists on both the right and left of the political spectrum,
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And as John Lennon said we all want to change the world but when you talk about destruction count me out. They all talk a good good game. But contrary to talking the talk no-one is talking about giving real peace a chance not to quote lennon again but its the clear truth to me.
people who will make the necessary compromises and negotiations to bring their ideals to fruition in the real world,
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No-one is talking as such but Trump and if anyone is really listening to HRC she is mimicking HIS points on trade and infrastructure. Not the other way around as suggested.

She admitted the issues with Bill and herself and the NAFTA bill and mimicked his words on building fast trains and better airports etc. And only a week later than Trump hitting these points. HRC by large listens well and picks all the major point which are logical and makes them hers. The far left point she needs not alter or pay attention to the right as thats not her “agenda”. Fact is Hillary IS a war monger herself and most disturbingly as we see while ignoring our number one priority-National Security. Thats a red line most of us who have a DD 214 are not moving on like the 2nd amendment. Not happening. Thus the following of the vets and police with Trump.
 
It does seem like the more the GOP tries to fight Trump, the more popular he becomes…
 
chero23 said:
They gave trump to much leeway in the beginning. They taught it was just a spoof.
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I know that’s what I thought. I thought Trump would be an entertaining diversion who might end up messing things up for the GOP by running third party after his inevitable loss. I never imagined he would actually win the nomination outright.
 
Joe_5859 said:
I know that’s what I thought. I thought Trump would be an entertaining diversion who might end up messing things up for the GOP by running third party after his inevitable loss. I never imagined he would actually win the nomination outright.
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Hypothetically speaking. If trump gets the delegates do you se the RNC be kiss kiss with trump? or do you see them going to the convention nominating another person making trump go 3rd party? or trump getting the delegates and nomination while a republican like Cruz runs third party?
 
Peter_J said:
I would say “Hell no!” except you weren’t asking me, and in any case I’m not the one who said that Rubio and Cruz have it.
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Bush 43 was not wisest of men nor had the best ideas. I think we can say that he wasn’t.
 
chero23 said:
Hypothetically speaking. If trump gets the delegates do you se the RNC be kiss kiss with trump? or do you see them going to the convention nominating another person making trump go 3rd party? or trump getting the delegates and nomination while a republican like Cruz runs third party?
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I’m no political science expert, but if he gets the delegates, I can’t see them nominating someone else, as much as they might want to. I think that would make a messy situation even messier. I’ve been wrong before, though. I don’t see Cruz running third party, though. He has to know that would only ensure that the Democrats win.
 
Joe_5859 said:
I’m no political science expert, but if he gets the delegates, I can’t see them nominating someone else, as much as they might want to. I think that would make a messy situation even messier. I’ve been wrong before, though. I don’t see Cruz running third party, though. He has to know that would only ensure that the Democrats win.
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I think it will be messy.

The Republican Party needs to learn from this and just evolve and becoming more moderate. In the last 8-12 years both parties have gone to the extremes of their positions. That doesn’t benefit the country as a whole. We need both parties to come to the middle and work for the country.
 
Peter_J said:
I would say “Hell no!” except you weren’t asking me, and in any case I’m not the one who said that Rubio and Cruz have it.
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chero23 said:
Bush 43 was not wisest of men nor had the best ideas. I think we can say that he wasn’t.
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Well, I think the question was whether Bush & Bush had an “Authoritarian Personality Disorder”.
 
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