Threat of hell is real for not being faithful to God, pope says

[_Abyssinia]

ROME - Death and final judgment before the Lord are not frightening if you live being faithful to God, Pope Francis said.
“It will do us good to think about this: ‘Well, what will that day be like when I am before Jesus? When he will ask me about the talents he gave me, what I did with them,’” the pope said Nov. 22 during morning Mass in the Domus Sanctae Marthae, where he lives.
Reflecting on the day’s readings, including the responsorial psalm, the pope looked at the call of God: “Remain faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.”

cruxnow.com/vatican/2016/11/22/threat-hell-real-not-faithful-god-pope-says/

 

[dshix]

Sure puts a different light on the idea of evangelizing “tolerance” of those who live in sin. Tolerance is NOT mercy, or even charity; rather, it is lukewarmness and indifference to others’ risk of eternal damnation.

I can’t think of anything less merciful than affirming a person who is living a lifestyle against God’s law. Remember the 9 ways to participate in another’s sin.

 

[Convert_in_99]

Sure puts a different light on the idea of evangelizing “tolerance” of those who live in sin. Tolerance is NOT mercy, or even charity; rather, it is lukewarmness and indifference to others’ risk of eternal damnation.

I can’t think of anything less merciful than affirming a person who is living a lifestyle against God’s law. Remember the 9 ways to participate in another’s sin.

Who is evangelizing tolerance? NOT Pope Francis obviously.

 

[abelville]

Is that threat also for people who in high position take a weak stand on pro- life.?

 

[Convert_in_99]

Is that threat also for people who in high position take a weak stand on pro- life.?

And you are implying whom here?

We shouldn’t be judging the authority in the first place. You can disagree without being judgmental and disrespectful. These are the Shepherds Jesus appointed, like it or not.

 

[dshix]

Who is evangelizing tolerance? NOT Pope Francis obviously.

I wasn’t necessarily just referring to Francis. I was making a general point about a perspective that many people seem to have these days. They think being merciful means being tolerant.

And you are implying whom here?

We shouldn’t be judging the authority in the first place. You can disagree without being judgmental and disrespectful. These are the Shepherds Jesus appointed, like it or not.

I don’t understand your response to abelville; I think it was an honest question.

Is that threat also for people who in high position take a weak stand on pro- life.?

The answer is yes. If a person who is in a position to influence public policy on pro-life fails to speak of it at appropriate times, that is wrong. Take as an example the “Catholic” politicians who say they are “personally” opposed but do not want to legislate Catholic morals.

It is flat-out sinful to take that kind of position.

 

[BarbTh]

It almost goes without saying that “being faithful to God” as we journey through life includes repentance and renewal of life. This is intrinsic to The Gospel and the following of Jesus.

1st Letter St John 1:8 vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__P12B.HTM

"Now this is the message that we have heard from him and proclaim to you: God is light, and in him there is no darkness at all. If we say, “We have fellowship with him,” while we continue to walk in darkness, we lie and do not act in truth.

But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, then we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of his Son Jesus cleanses us from all sin.
If we say, "We are without sin," we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from every wrongdoing. If we say, “We have not sinned,” we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Notes:3 [8-10] Denial of the condition of sin is self-deception and even contradictory of divine revelation; there is also the continual possibility of sin’s recurrence. Forgiveness and deliverance from sin through Christ are assured through acknowledgment of them and repentance.

 

[Convert_in_99]

I wasn’t necessarily just referring to Francis. I was making a general point about a perspective that many people seem to have these days. They think being merciful means being tolerant.

Yes, many in today’s world hold this position, but Pope Francis isn’t one of them. He preaches MERCY and FORGIVENESS, not tolerance.

I don’t understand your response to abelville; I think it was an honest question.

I was seeing whom he/she was implying as higher authorities here.

The answer is yes. If a person who is in a position to influence public policy on pro-life fails to speak of it at appropriate times, that is wrong. Take as an example the “Catholic” politicians who say they are “personally” opposed but do not want to legislate Catholic morals.

It is flat-out sinful to take that kind of position.

Yes, sadly we have many pro-choice politicians in the USA, several of whom refer to themselves as “Catholic.”

Not sure what that has to do with the discussion at hand though.

 

[abelville]

Of course here. I’m thankful that so many are pro life. I know personally 5 priests near where I live. 1 of the priests was open about his support for Obama and Hillary. It bothers me.

 

[dshix]

Yes, sadly we have many pro-choice politicians in the USA, several of whom refer to themselves as “Catholic.”

Not sure what that has to do with the discussion at hand though.

You are acting like we are only supposed to talk about Pope Francis here. I disagree; I was talking about how what he said applies to the world at large. And you are “not sure what that has to do with the discussion at hand”?

Please.

 

[fin]

There’s an interesting article, just because you don’t believe in hell doesn’t mean you won’t end up there: churchpop.com/2016/09/17/hell-go-there/

 

[fin]

Awesome

Sure puts a different light on the idea of evangelizing “tolerance” of those who live in sin. Tolerance is NOT mercy, or even charity; rather, it is lukewarmness and indifference to others’ risk of eternal damnation.

I can’t think of anything less merciful than affirming a person who is living a lifestyle against God’s law. Remember the 9 ways to participate in another’s sin.

 

[Convert_in_99]

You are acting like we are only supposed to talk about Pope Francis here. I disagree; I was talking about how what he said applies to the world at large. And you are “not sure what that has to do with the discussion at hand”?

Please.

I thought this was a statement from the pope. I didn’t realize it was a let’s discuss who’s on their way to hell party.

 

[dshix]

I thought this was a statement from the pope. I didn’t realize it was a let’s discuss who’s on their way to hell party.

It is a statement from the Pope. And I’m allowed to discuss the implications of his statement. What issue do you have with that? Am I not on an open, Catholic forum?

 

[Convert_in_99]

It is a statement from the Pope. And I’m allowed to discuss the implications of his statement. What issue do you have with that? Am I not on an open, Catholic forum?

Well technically it’s against forum rules to discuss the salvation (or not) of certain individuals.

But if you want to turn this into a who’s going to hell party…I’m outta here.

 

[mikekle]

I wasn’t necessarily just referring to Francis. I was making a general point about a perspective that many people seem to have these days. They think being merciful means being tolerant.

I don’t understand your response to abelville; I think it was an honest question.

The answer is yes. If a person who is in a position to influence public policy on pro-life fails to speak of it at appropriate times, that is wrong. Take as an example the “Catholic” politicians who say they are “personally” opposed but do not want to legislate Catholic morals.

It is flat-out sinful to take that kind of position.

I agree with you 100%.

They are essentially denying God in public. Thats pretty common today though, people only want to be christian up to the point when it starts getting inconvenient or conflicts with their secular life. They want the best of both worlds, to be a successful model secular citizen and a faithful follower of God…sorry to say, but that is impossible to do, especially in the world we live in today.

 

[Thomas_White]

Was not Pope Francis speaking of The Last Judgment? Isn’t this the important message here? It applies to all of mankind.

p.s. This means you and me.

 

[dshix]

But if you want to turn this into a who’s going to hell party…I’m outta here.

OK… I’m not playing this game with you. It’s your prerogative to disrespectfully miscategorize what I am saying, accusing me of making a “party” out of something very serious, but I’m not going to participate with this derailment of the thread.

 

[Convert_in_99]

Was not Pope Francis speaking of The Last Judgment? Isn’t this the important message here? It applies to all of mankind.

p.s. This means you and me.

Yes. We are all included as recipients of his message.

 

[Convert_in_99]

It almost goes without saying that “being faithful to God” as we journey through life includes repentance and renewal of life. This is intrinsic to The Gospel and the following of Jesus.

Yes.