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Uh huh…like slavery.
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That is all they have. And if you press them on it, they cry foul, run away, change the subject, or try to twist words around to confuse the issue. I am more convinced by this thread that the pro-abortion Democrat catholic will not stop supporting pro-abortion candidates like Obama and others, but for divine intervention. For that I will continue to pray. Arguing like this serves no other purpose other than to expose (for lurkers who may be swayed by superficial pro-abortion arguments) the moral bankruptcy of the pro-abortion catholic position.
Forgive them for they know not what they do.
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So if pedophilia became acceptable in this “democracy of plural beliefs” you’d be ok with that?
Yes or No.
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rlg94086
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Agreed. I don’t know what it will take to wake the Democrats who place their party politics above clear moral teaching.
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CMatt25
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Umm no not exactly Ishii. I know that’s how you see it though. But as Concerned Apathy has also explained it to you. We are not talking about pedophilia. Nor I would add are we talking about pro slavery or Hitler’s Holocaust upon the Jews.
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rlg94086
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In other words, you can’t answer because you don’t believe that abortion rises to that level. Thank you for verifying what we’ve both clearly pointed out.
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CMatt25
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Ishii, I don’t why you say this. There are mainline Christian denominations that do not share the Catholic view on abortion.
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ConcernedApathy
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I’ve explained it. You’ve explained. At some point its turns into being purposefully obtuse. And with pedophilia, slavery and genocide now in the mix we’ve now left the realm of comparing apples to apples or even apples to oranges and vaulted right into apples to moon rocks.
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rlg94086
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Ditto.
Just say it. You don’t believe abortion is anywhere near as bad as pedophilia, slavery and genocide. You are okay with individuals making the choice to kill innocent human beings.
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rlg94086
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And, you are okay with their decision to allow the killing of innocent human beings. Just say it. Be clear. Why equivocate by claiming that pluralism trumps morality?
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CMatt25
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No and I oppose slavery too. But there are other faiths and beliefs in the democracy that do not hold to the same beliefs and views about abortion and the start of human life or human life with a soul or personhood rights for the unborn vs a woman’s right as the Catholic Church does. Or as you or even I might. There are other Christians with differing beliefs and I think it was Meltzerboy who addressed for instance Jewish belief on the issue. Which was not the same as Catholic belief either. But no one I know thinks it’s ok to be a pedophile.
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We ended slavery, even though other faiths didn’t believe it was wrong. That is the point. At some point, you have to grow a moral backbone, rather than hiding behind “pluralism.”
Or, you can just accept whatever comes along. If pedophilia does become more acceptable, I fully expect you and your liberal buddies to be on the sidelines saying, “there are other faiths and beliefs in democracy that do not hold to the same beliefs and views about pedophilia.”
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Indeed. One can easily banish them with the Abortion debate. They dare not discuss this openly in public for it is a no - win scenario for them. They know this. Not only is this true just in the Catholic Forums and Independent Forums but they are especially fearful in the full light of reason as well.Agreed. I don’t know what it will take to wake the Democrats who place their party politics above clear moral teaching.
*Ergo * they then have no recourse but to respond with well rehearsed unintelligible slogans of ‘women’s rights’
. Once they are squirming they then frantically try to switch the issue away from abortion to the econonmy (certainly no win for them there either) or obfuscate by pointing to misbehaving Republicans.Ultimately there is always their fall back to either race baiting,class warfare and immigration. Anything but the actualities of Abortion in Public.
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The above is readily apparant to the naked eye when one reads the preceeding posts.
Methinks I dare say I opine that ‘professional’ manipulators of Public Opinion sponsored by DNC endeavoring to sway the unsuspecting be lurking about not only here but in other forums as well.
Just IMHO the term ‘Catholic Obama Supporters’ is akin to ‘Pro - choice Catholics’ in terms of the authenticity of their faith. With the proviso that they are well informed of course, methinks.
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CMatt25
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It appears that is the point we’ve reached.
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exoflare
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Ya think?Methinks I dare say I opine that ‘professional’ manipulators of Public Opinion sponsored by DNC endeavoring to sway the unsuspecting be lurking about not only here but in other forums as well.
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CMatt25
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Yes and you’re more than free to keep trying to end a woman’s legal right to choose under Roe. I’m going to base whether I vote for Obama’s reelection or his opponent on some of the multitude of other issues affecting peoples lives. And on whether I believe his opponent’s policies on a host of issues would be worse. Not on a single issue. God bless you and peace.
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Indeed. And, you are free to side with the abortionists. I just wish you were honest about it.
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ishii
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What if in the future pedophilia became acceptable in this pluralistic democracy of ours. Would you accept that?
Cmatt, I am trying (vainly it would seem) to show you where your own logic takes you. If you accept abortion now, then on what grounds would you oppose legal pedophilia?
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I agree rlg. I would respect them a bit more if they were honest about what they truly support. I would still disagree, but atleast their pro-abortion politics could be taken pure, without the base alloy of dishonesty (to paraphrase Lincoln). Or to be more charitable, denial. Maybe they are afraid to admit what they truly believe.
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