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Would you it’d for a canidate who was right on all the issues except he supported forced Segregation?
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irishpatrick
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I wonder, since so many Catholics refuse to hold abortion and marriage as something that is actually of a high priority, is it possible that the Church just plain has it wrong about those issues?
Perhaps those 60-70% of Catholics who refuse to make those issues a large enough priority to consider in their voting right are more wise than the Church, it’s possible, right? After all, a majority of Catholics contracept and that many could not possibly be wrong, it is the Church and the faith that must be wrong, correct?
After all, two men marrying each other is not stopping a straight couple from marrying, so how could that possibly ever hurt sacramental marriage?
And, after all, those unborn babies are just globs of cells that are nothing more than a “potential person,” so maybe the Church has just plain got it wrong about those issues, maybe abortion is not an intrinsic evil, and maybe marriage is not ordained by God to be one man and one women.
Maybe the Church is (after all this time) proving itself to be wrong about those issues? Maybe every Catholic should vote for candidates who strongly support abortion and same-sex marriage? Maybe the new age Catholics are simply smarter, wiser, and just plain “get it” at a far deeper level then those mysogynistic clergy in the Vatian, along with all those patriarchal and misogynistic clergy and saints through all Christian history.
Maybe every street in the USA should hold block-parties when one of their neighbors gets an abortion? After all, abortion liberates women, it makes them free, it cuts the evil binds that men place on them–it is to be celebrated, especially since we now **must **recognize that the Church is flat wrong, correct? After all, the only human life that is worth protecting are those that we (collectively) deem to be worthy, correct? The entire notion of “every life is sacred” is just old-fashioned thought that simply does not work in today’s much more wise and enlightened culture, correct? We decide what is sacred–we make that choice together, right?
Ya think? Maybe?
[the deep ‘sick to my stomach’ with the non-stop killing of the unborn sarcasm is intended]
Perhaps those 60-70% of Catholics who refuse to make those issues a large enough priority to consider in their voting right are more wise than the Church, it’s possible, right? After all, a majority of Catholics contracept and that many could not possibly be wrong, it is the Church and the faith that must be wrong, correct?
After all, two men marrying each other is not stopping a straight couple from marrying, so how could that possibly ever hurt sacramental marriage?
And, after all, those unborn babies are just globs of cells that are nothing more than a “potential person,” so maybe the Church has just plain got it wrong about those issues, maybe abortion is not an intrinsic evil, and maybe marriage is not ordained by God to be one man and one women.
Maybe the Church is (after all this time) proving itself to be wrong about those issues? Maybe every Catholic should vote for candidates who strongly support abortion and same-sex marriage? Maybe the new age Catholics are simply smarter, wiser, and just plain “get it” at a far deeper level then those mysogynistic clergy in the Vatian, along with all those patriarchal and misogynistic clergy and saints through all Christian history.
Maybe every street in the USA should hold block-parties when one of their neighbors gets an abortion? After all, abortion liberates women, it makes them free, it cuts the evil binds that men place on them–it is to be celebrated, especially since we now **must **recognize that the Church is flat wrong, correct? After all, the only human life that is worth protecting are those that we (collectively) deem to be worthy, correct? The entire notion of “every life is sacred” is just old-fashioned thought that simply does not work in today’s much more wise and enlightened culture, correct? We decide what is sacred–we make that choice together, right?
Ya think? Maybe?
[the deep ‘sick to my stomach’ with the non-stop killing of the unborn sarcasm is intended]
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_Abyssinia
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http://conhomeusa.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f4f7f710970b0162fbfc2d98970d-500wi
kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2011/October/28/health-reform-poll-obama-kaiser-foundation.aspx
ObamaCare was Obama’s key achievement, even the majority of his own constituents do not think it will make their lives better.
Republicans have reformed healthcare long before Obama became pesident. George Bush signed in the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act, helping the elderly. The Republican platform in 2000 was for reforms of Medicare to give more choice and flexibility.
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_Abyssinia
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You trying to compare RomneyCare to ObamaCare?
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BVM_1221
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I am a registered Libertarian. Do you have a problem with that:yawn:
But don’t bother answering that question. This thread is up to page 5, and nothing really new has been posted since page 1. So I am dropping this thread. But NOT the Forums, and not the Catholic Church :yawn::yawn::yawn:
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Ridgerunner
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I’m not yet sure he will win in November. But if he does, then I would agree that you’re correct. Catholics will have elected him. A few things we ought to remember:
- Obama has spent a lot of our childrens’ money and our grandchildrens’ money on his supporters and contributors, but he instituted no programs for the truly poor, or even tried to do it, notwithstanding that he could have done anything he wanted in his first two years.
- Obama didn’t want Obamacare himself. But he wanted something he could claim credit for, so he approved a program he did not want, and, by his own admission, will not definitely provide healthcare coverage for any more people than was the case before.
- A very sizeable number of Catholics are, themselves, invested in abortion; either having had one or having been complicit in one. The rates are about the same as for everybody else, and is right about at that 40% Obama never goes below in the polls. He can say, and his supporters can say whatever they want, but his primary appeal really is abortion on demand.
- The USCCB is a largely lay bureaucracy that is heavily invested in “social change” and, consequently, is left-leaning. It is NOT “the bishops”, and it is definitly not in line with my own bishop who made it pretty clear that if you vote for an abortion-supporting candidate, you’re supporting abortion. But again, looking at #3, we need to realize that Obama’s phony “social welfare” talk is a salve for guilty consciences. And he knows it, too.
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JRRTFAN
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I’m glad somebody does!JRRTFAN;8794863:
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I completley agree…
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Pork_Roll
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Do you really think it makes any difference voting republican or democrat? They represent two sides of the same coin. It’s all a charade. The unfortunate fact is our society doesn’t care about abortion other than orthodox catholics and some evangelicals. Most people today don’t care about gay marriage either.
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jediliz
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Obama doesn’t pass the FIVE NON NEGITIABLES. He has not brought American companies back from Overseas (Where they use cheap labor and not americans).
It was the Seals that took Osama out, NOT Obama.
I will never vote Democrat. Their platform supporting abortion will never change as long as they are obsessed with thinking the ability to kill a child that’s not yet born makes a woman equal to a man.
Obama not only supports abortion, but called Partial Birth Abortion a LEGITIMATE MEDICAL Procedure! He also supports killing human embryos for medical research, which by the way, has created ZERO cures.
I can’t understand why there are some who can’t see through to his agenda!
It was the Seals that took Osama out, NOT Obama.
I will never vote Democrat. Their platform supporting abortion will never change as long as they are obsessed with thinking the ability to kill a child that’s not yet born makes a woman equal to a man.
Obama not only supports abortion, but called Partial Birth Abortion a LEGITIMATE MEDICAL Procedure! He also supports killing human embryos for medical research, which by the way, has created ZERO cures.
I can’t understand why there are some who can’t see through to his agenda!
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exoflare
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Well that’s a relief. All your redundant emoticons would really miss you I’m sure.
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ringil
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This is your cognitive structure.
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irishpatrick
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Why do you dislike abortion?
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CMatt25
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Oh ok. I see. So your Oct poll didn’t really show it was unpopular with Democrats as you stated. Only showed more Democrats didn’t think “Obamacare” as you call it would make much of a difference in theirs and their families lives. And actually a percent less thought it would make things worse for them than had the month before.
Doing the math in my head I see 82% think it will either make their lives better or not make much of a difference. And 62% of Independents feel that way. The only group I see thinking it will make their lives worse is Republicans. No surprise there.
I think I’ll wait a couple of yrs until its implemented.
And I’m going to make an assumption you do realize the numbers of Medicare recipients who choose to remain on traditional Medicare and actually kinda like their version of “socialized medicine”. Some of them are even faithful Catholics. I have some of those Catholic Medicare recipients in my own family as a matter of fact who are happy with it.
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ringil
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I don’t jump through hoops.
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Yerusalyim
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I am truly mystified how any Catholic with a moral conscience can support the democrats. My Catholic faith has made me solidly conservative.Of course. Any other straw dummies you feel the need the set up
Again: I have never met a Catholic who voted Democrat BECAUSE of their support of abortion and gay marriage. I have met many Catholics who have voted Democrat IN SPITE OF abortion and gay marriage.
Because they have heeded the USCCB admonition that we are not to be one issue voters:tsktsk:
Because they support the majority of the Democratic Platform:shrug:
Because, apart from abortion, they find little in the GOP platform to support:dts:
Because they know the word “intrinsic” does not mean “infinite”
Because they are grownups, and spell the name as “Obama”, not “obama”
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jediliz
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It also confuses me. I am unafiiated as as voter(not registerd under ANY party) but I mostly vote republican because the candiates are not anti life for the most part. Yes, republicans do have their problems, but most of the time, they do not support destruction of human life, whether born or NOT YET BORN (democrat candiates gernally support killing babies because they think killing a child makes a woman EQUAL TO A MAN!)
I am NOT a one issue voter…I am a LIFE ISSUES voter. Abortion has killed over 50 million future workers in this country! That’s a lot of FUTURE TAX PAYERS that have been killed! We also have the government wasting money on killing human embryos for research! (We wouldn’t have these so called leftover embryos if children weren’t treated like a comdity instead of a gift from God…) Then there’s the way we treat the elderly and disabled. 90% of prenatally diagnosed in the womb babies as Downs are ABORTED. Way to Go America, you are realizing the dream of Adolf Hitler and Margaret Sanger!
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Yerusalyim
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I am also not a one issue voter. However, with so few exceptions they don’t bear mentioning I can’t think of anything Obama has done that has not offended my economic, social and Catholic conscience. From the monstrosity that is Obamacare to over regulation to spending money that belongs to my great grand children this man is a disaster for America…and Christians.
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ishii
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Cmatt, I would like everyone’s individual response to my question and it would be nice if you actually addressed the quotes from your Democrats. Here it is again for your convenience:
Considering this:
the Senate was debating whether to ban partial-birth abortion, Santorum asked two pro-choice senators opposed to the ban, Russ Feingold, D-Wis., and Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., this: Suppose the baby slips out of the birth canal before it can be killed. Should killing it even then be a permissible choice? Neither senator would say no.
*Santorum: Because we are talking about a situation here where the baby is almost born. So I ask the question of the senator from California, if the baby was born except for the baby’s foot, if the baby’s foot was inside the mother but the rest of the baby was outside, could that baby be killed?*Boxer: I am not answering these questions! I am not answering these questions.
Kathleen Sebelius: “We’ve come a long way in women’s health over the last few decades, but we are in a war.”
Ringil, Cmatt, BVM 1221, what do you think of your party? Specifially, what do you think of the comments from the leaders of your party that you support? Are you okay with them?
Ishii
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