Three Positive Signs for Obama's Re-Election Chances

[CMatt25]

The dynamics of the situation would prevent any bishop from saying who to vote for or not.

Indeed no Bishop has stated who we can or cannot vote for.

I know I’ve seen the situation of tax exempt status brought up on other threads. But it always confuses me because it is hard for me to believe the Catholic Church, which proclaims to be Christ’s Church, would hold back truth just to avoid paying taxes if it was true that Catholics could only vote against Obama as many on this forum say.

So because the bishops do not state who a Catholic can or can not vote for is why a faithful practicing Catholic partial to TLM like yourself, Ringil, can vote for Obama. But that said expect to hear about Burke and Chaput again.

 

[kimmielittle]

Because heavy regulation and massive government oversight has always been the path to economic success.

It’s worked everywhere except where it’s been tried.

:clapping::clapping:

 

[kimmielittle]

And taxes don’t pay for abortions as has been stated and proven over and over and over again.

I don’t think you can prove that statement.

lifenews.com/2011/10/12/100-members-of-congress-tell-obama-de-fund-pro-abortion-unfpa/

More than 100 members of Congress have drafted a new letter to President Barack Obama asking him to cut off federal taxpayer funding to the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) due to the agency’s participation in China’s brutal one child policy.

The letter was prompted by the Obama Administration’s continued taxpayer contributions to the UNFPA and Vice President Biden’s recent controversial comments in which the Vice President gave what letter drafter Rep. Chris Smith of New Jersey called a “wink and a nod” to China’s coercive population control policy. Smith, a Republican, says the policy makes brothers and sisters illegal in China and subjects Chinese women to horrific human rights abuses including forced abortion and forced sterilization.

“The Vice President said he ‘fully understood’ the one child policy, and that he’s not ‘second guessing,’” said Smith, the Co-Chair of the Congressional Pro-life Caucus since 1982.

“The one child per couple policy is cruel, inhumane and the most egregious systematic attack on women ever,” he added. “For the Vice President to publicly state that he fully understands the one child policy and say he won’t second guess it is unconscionable. He and all of us should be defending the women of China from this state-sponsored cruelty of forced abortion and forced sterilization, not supporting and enabling it.”

Smith said, “Chinese women need advocates, not enablers. This Administration has long enabled this cruel policy by its silence and financial support for organizations like UNFPA that support the Chinese government’s brutal program. Tragically, it has now offered its public support, as well.”

 

[ConcernedApathy]

Does supporting higher taxes on the rich mitigate a candidates support of abortion?

You’re approaching this in what I assume is the only way you’re willing, as a one issue voter. Abortion trumps every other issue for you; health care, the environment, the middle class, the lower class, education, unemployment, social security, women, the elderly, civil rights, gun control, high cost of prescriptions etc. etc. etc.

Nothing else matters. I got it.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Because heavy regulation and massive government oversight has always been the path to economic success.

It’s worked everywhere except where it’s been tried.

The economic crisis wasn’t caused by regulation; it was caused by a profound lack of it.

 

[CMatt25]

You’re approaching this in what I assume is the only way you’re willing, as a one issue voter. Abortion trumps every other issue for you; health care, the environment, the middle class, the lower class, education, unemployment, social security, women, the elderly, civil rights, gun control, high cost of prescriptions etc. etc. etc.

Nothing else matters. I got it.

Concerned, we all get it.

 

[JimG]

Why Liberals Should Defend the Unborn:
meehanreports.com/

 

[kimmielittle]

You’re approaching this in what I assume is the only way you’re willing, as a one issue voter. Abortion trumps every other issue for you; health care, the environment, the middle class, the lower class, education, unemployment, social security, women, the elderly, civil rights, gun control, high cost of prescriptions etc. etc. etc.

Nothing else matters. I got it.

health care, …Is health care better?
the environment, …???
the middle class, …???
the lower class, …???
education, …???
unemployment,…???
social security, …???
women, …???
the elderly, …???
civil rights, …???
gun control,…???
high cost of prescriptions etc. etc. etc…???

Economy…???
Security…???

 

[ConcernedApathy]

The economic crisis wasn’t caused by regulation; it was caused by a profound lack of it.

This.

 

[kimmielittle]

The economic crisis wasn’t caused by regulation; it was caused by a profound lack of it.

And Mr Obamas’ administration helped elevate this?

You present only half the answer in your statement IMO

 

[ConcernedApathy]

Concerned, we all get it.

Thank you, CMatt.

By the way, I’m a long time admirer of your posts.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

And Mr Obamas’ administration helped elevate this?

The Obama Administration has helped with additional regulation but, as with previous regulation, it doesn’t go far enough. Its certainly better than allowing the GOP to dismantle government regulation of Wall Street and the banking industry.

 

[Nimzovik]

I note we here at the forum do indeed debate much in regard to Politics - specifically Party affiliation.

I have no love for Democrats that are Pro - abortion. However the Republicans do not glow in the dark by any means either. They too have lost much of their soul IMHO.

Historically, Living in California I have observed, that the then Republican Govenor married into Democratic Party royalty - I.E. Maria Shriver of the Kennedys.

What does this tell me?

We need a third Party. A conservative Party. It needs to grow.*** I*** see no other solution at this juncture. I have certainly seen enough of ‘Professional’ Politicians.

Third Party candidates historically do not get elected. They do however induce the other Partys to discuss that which they do not wish to discuss. For good or for bad they have a propensity to skew results as well a la Ross Perot.

So. Should Catholics form their own Party? Certainly the Church can not endorse a Party. So. How to form such a party. Call it the ‘Life Party’ perhaps. Have the planks be the the truths of scripture. Eventually truth will out. Yes? That is- if we haven’t just gone too far already. Hey!! I can dream can’t I?

 

[kimmielittle]

The Obama Administration has helped with additional regulation but, as with previous regulation, it doesn’t go far enough. Its certainly better than allowing the GOP to dismantle government regulation of Wall Street and the banking industry.

I believe the Democrats held the majority in both houses since 2006.

Trying to blame ONE party…Democrat or Republican…seems…

BOTH sides pander to lobbyists. IMO Lobbyists dictate the economy - and politicians allow them.

The best gift you can give the youth of this country - throw the lobbyist out of the temple.

 

[Ohana]

So you agree that Obama needs to go?

The bright and well-read comment referred to President Obama,

The Know-Nothings were a somewhat secretive political group in the early to mid 1800s who wanted to get back to “American Values”. They opposed immigration and since many immigrants were Catholic at that time, they opposed the church. They rejected the right of immigrants to be citizens until they had been here for 25 years, plus some othe criteria. I think a lot of what we are hearing today is a rebirth of that kind of social movement. Interestingly enough, the Know Nothings were a precursor of the current Republican Party, although in fairness, the GOP came out of a split in the membership over slavery.with the GOP members leaning more toward anti slavery from what I can tell.

The Know nothing name apparently came from their response to questions about their organization , that is, “I don’t know.”

I hope that we re-elect President Obama. I’ll be working for him!

 

[Ohana]

health care, …Is health care better? Yes, more people are covered, cannot be refused for prior conditions, and cannot be dropped because they get sick.

the environment, …??? The legislation destroying most gains was passed during the Bush administration. Not yet reversed. Needs much more work in this area

the middle class, …??? What middle class? Not much of it left. The "right to work’ legislation will destroy more of it. Also pretty well done in by the deregulation of Wall Street and the banking industry. Oh I think that happened during the Reagan administration

the lower class, …??? At least there are some safety nets, but now enough. Do you volunteer at a homeless shelter, better yet, form one. Include child care, showers, food. And yes, I have worked with the homeless and disenfranchised. Even the working poor ran out of money before they ran out of month.

education, …??? Hmm, Have you heard about the war on teachers? Now they have to teach to tests rather than teach kids to think

unemployment,…??? Getting a bit better, but has a long way to go. Saving the auto indrusties helped keep several million in jobs. numbers are up slightly, but we still have far too many unemployed.

social security, …??? I think in the long run it will be there. By the way, it is not welfare for the aged. I paid into it all my life.

women, …??? Not as bad as it used to be. I find it interesting that more women have kept their jobs than men in the current cutbacks. I have to wonder if that is because they are paid less.

the elderly, …??? Not touching this, I am one.

civil rights, …??? Much better than it was in the 50’s and 60"s

/gun control,…??? Thought I was gonna die when I saw that man on TV with a gun strapped to his hip at a rally for the President. Where was the secret service

high cost of prescriptions etc. etc. etc…??? WEll and I have to ask why they are more expensive here than in Canada, whose standards are as high as ours. I ded see that the “donut hole” is gradually being closed.

There are some improvements, but they are incremental. Things are not going to turn around all at once.

I really fault congress for a lot of this. They are not doing their jobs, but manage to accrue a lot of port. They have earned their 9% approval rating.

Economy…???
Security…???

 

[rlg94086]

The economic crisis wasn’t caused by regulation; it was caused by a profound lack of it.

I was going to joke that liberals would probably give a response like that - comparable to the normal response given after throwing money at a problem doesn’t work - “throw more money!” I had no idea that anyone would actually think that more regulation is what our economy needs to get it going.

 

[ishii]

Right Ishii. The Nazis and Hitler were far from perfect. Bush was not perfect. Obama is not perfect. The Republicans are not perfect. The Democrats are not perfect. “Obamacare” is not perfect. The thing hasn’t even been fully implemeted yet for us to know how close to perfection it will be. But I reject comparing the imperfection of the Nazis to the imperfections of Bush or Obama or those of the Republicans and the Democrats. So I reject your metaphor.

Again you misunderstand. I am starting to see why its hard to get through to you.

One last try: To brush off a terrible thing someone has done or supports by saying “nobody’s perfect” is too trivialize the terrible thing. That is my point, Cmatt. You trivialize support for abortion when you say about Obama’s pro-abortion stance “nobody’s perfect.” When someone says about Barbara Boxer and other Democrats’ support for infanticide (partial birth abortion) “hey, nobody’s perfect” they are trivializing evil. The only way for catholics to support Democrats is to treat abortion as a trivial matter. Just another issue among many. Truth be known, I would guess many Democrat catholic voters would just like the issue to go away so they don’t have to be reminded of the gruesome evil of abortion. They don’t want to be reminded of how terrible the killing of the unborn is so they can go on and focus on the other issues like funding for all kinds of government programs to help others!

Well, to all the Democrat catholic posters on this thread and on these forums: I will not let you forget what you are supporting. I will remind you all every chance I get the reality of what abortion is and the gruesome evil that you tacitly support by voting for people like Obama and others. You may not like it, but I will remind you.

Ishii

 

[rlg94086]

Well, to all the Democrat catholic posters on this thread and on these forums: I will not let you forget what you are supporting. I will remind you all every chance I get the reality of what abortion is and the gruesome evil that you tacitly support by voting for people like Obama and others. You may not like it, but I will remind you.

Ishii

Yep. As long as they believe that killing an innocent human being is a “personal, private issue” and support the blatantly pro-abortion-on-demand party because they don’t trust that the pro-life party is genuine enough, they should be reminded of the evil they represent and support. They are no different than Germans who supported the Nazis and looked the other way while Jews were hauled away to the camps or non-slave owners who strongly supported the rights of plantation owners to own slaves.

 

[Nimzovik]

Amen. **No **better Health Care, No better economy, No reduced taxes, No improved immigration policies, No better foreign policy is worth the ugly price of Abortion. This is why the Abortion issue is termed a non - negotiable. If this can not be understood then I have no chance of convincing the Democrats. They are on their own. They are then irretrievable. I do not want to live better at the expense of another. Especially at the expense of a baby’s life. Ultimately at the expense of my very own soul, IMHO, when I, as a voter, turn a blind eye to the Abortion issue. It really …is …**that …**simple.

Nothing more can be said.