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oldcelt
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Infallibility has a much narrower definition…as Pope Benedict would verify
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EmperorNapoleon
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The position of the President on abortion is incidental to the law so there is no “lesser of two evils” in practice on this issue.
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stevegravy
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No just aiding and abetting.
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_Abyssinia
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2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person – among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.
My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth .
2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish .
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.
2272 Formal co-operation in an abortion constitutes a grave offence. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. ‘A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae’ ‘by the very commission of the offence’, and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law . The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.
2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:
‘The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being’s right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death.’
‘The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child’s rights.’
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Ignore all this and vote for a candidate that opposes all this magisterial teaching. (I am being sarcastic.
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EmperorNapoleon
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You can’t aide and abet in a cause which the person in question isn’t even involved.
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jediliz
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The least of these must include the preborn children. If we don’t protect them, who will? We can still support the poor while supporting the pregnant women who are scared and think abortion is their ONLY CHOICE. The man sitting in the white house today thinks its perfectly okay to let a child that survived an abotion attempt, be left to DIE w/o any medical care because the intent was to KILL THE CHILD.
WWJD, I ask you? He would NEVER support a candidate that believes dismembering a child in the womb is legimiate medical procedure!
Abortoon is NOT rare…not at the rate of 3000-4000 a day!
Democrats will never support ending abortion as long as they believe the right to kill a child somehow makes a woman EQUAL to a man!
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colmywaykurtz
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Are you, in fact, saying that all voters who have voted Democratic are murderers?
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_Abyssinia
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That is true, but why should the Pope words on politics be ignores? The Catechism is part of the Magisterium which is clear on the importance of human life from conception to natural end. It does not make sense for anybody to say it would be really licit for a Catholic then voting for a pro abortion candidate who opposes everything the Catechism has to say on the value of human beings.I thought Benedict was only “infallible” when he spoke “ex cathedra”…his opinions are just that…opinioons…according to what’s been said on this web board…“infallibility” has only been exercised twice…so how can his opinions be…‘infallible’? Even Paul offered his opinons…“not of the Lord”…but Paul’s opinions.
Is teaching that everything the Pope opines on is “infallible”…the real teaching of the Catholic church? Or is that a heretical teaching? You made an interesting comment that has been denied over and over on this board…except when one needs to “drive home” a point it seems.
We do not ignore the Pope’s words when he is not speaking ex cathedra, so why should he be ignored when it comes to politics.
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Luigi_Daniele
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Or while believing Christians continue to not make them suffer politically for their support of anti-life issues.
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rlg94086
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NARAL disagrees with you:
naral.org/elections/
Amazing how those who are afraid that abortion may be restricted are so concerned that a pro-life candidate may be elected to the presidency. Yet, you think it is irrelevant.
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EmperorNapoleon
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The Magisterium is clear on a lot of issues; issues which the platform of the GOP runs contrary to.
No one said he should be ignored but Catholics aren’t obligated to either believe or act on statements made by the Pope which aren’t infallible.
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rlg94086
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That, and looking away while others are killed and you could actually do something about it. It’s just a “personal, private choice” to kill an innocent human being, don’t you know…
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Luigi_Daniele
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Life trumps all the other issues. As the Popes have stated. You can’t collect welfare if you are dead.
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_Abyssinia
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I have never said that. I can’t answer your question, I don’t think so, because a pro abortion candidate voter is not directly in the abortion room, or in the lab where a scientist is destroying embryonic stem cells, but is it material cooperation if you vote for somebody that wants to continue legalized abortion or extend legalized abortion, when you choose to vote for them over a pro life canidate. It is question for a Priest to answer.
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stevegravy
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Tell that to the convicted accomplices.
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oldcelt
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Getting back to the original post…before it was hijacked…which USED to be an offense here…things are looking up for the current president.
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rlg94086
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Have you found anything from the Magisterium to support your viewpoint? You’ve been asked, but you keep focusing on trying to dismiss the statements of the Pope and Bishops as opinions to bring anything contrary.
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Luigi_Daniele
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Nazi Germany disagrees.
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oldcelt
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Probably not, but they were called liars on another thread and that was allowed to stand.
Hmmm,
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rlg94086
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Indeed. Let’s not talk about the killing of innocents sanctioned by the president. Let’s get back to how well he’s doing in the polls right now.
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