Three Principals For Honoring Your Husband

[AngryAtheist8]

The key for both men and women is to find humility to seek the truth, but this liberal feelgood individualistic anti-family culture continually tells us to be powerful master of our own domain, i.e. the opposite of humble.

The Catholic Planet position is big on humility (and most likely humiliation) for women, but it promotes the traditional ‘a man’s home is his castle’ idea with regard to men (in other words, a man is the* master* of his wife and children).

 

[Serap]

No he is not. And if you are also trying to set forth the idea that Portrait is attempting to champion some type of Christian “Sharia Law”…then you are sadly mistaken also.
What does Sacred Scripture and Church Fathers/Mothers have to say about this?

Mickey,

I have a direct question:

Do you think it’s ok for a husband to stay at home and raise the kids while the mother works?

Do you think it’s ok for a mother to work?

The Catholic Church does. Do you?

 

[Mickey]

What does Church teaching have to say about this? That is what matters more than anything.

Sacred Scripture and Holy Tradition are Church teaching.

 

[irishpatrick]

This thread has so many posts…hard to wade in at this point…but…

Why did God create each on one of us?

Catholic answer: God made each person to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this life, and to be happy with Him in the next.

We are not on this earth to build careers. We are here to build God’s Kingdom and to be part of that Kingdom, and to help people enter God’s Kingdom. It is easy to lose that obvious fact in the midst of all the pressure to build empires and awesome careers. Case in point, one of the most stated reasons young people make for going to college is to, “find a career they absolutely love.” No thought to doing what God wants them to do, no thought to doing something they are actually good at–nope, they MUST find something they love to do, and therein describes the sorry state we are in.

Men and women used to aspire to become mature, get married, have a large family, and to give back to the world at large through those actions. That is considered an old-fashioned idea today, and it is nearly lost on a me-first culture.

The question we should be asking (imo) is not whether women can work in careers, of course they can if they so choose to do so. The real question is: **how can we best serve God by serving our families? **

What is the best configuration for the family? Can we agree that for the sake of children that having one parent fulltime at home is the best configuration FOR THE CHILDREN? Can we agree that a stable marriage of one Mother and one Father is the best configuration FOR THE CHILDREN? Can we agree that to best encourage a healthy Church, we must give back to that Church through stable and mature families we raise for God? Can we agree that the best formation a child can receive is to live in a Godly home with God loving parents?

We need more good practicing Roman Catholic Christians. We need less me’ism across the board. The world has over two-billion Christians who claim to be followers of Christ, can you image how the world would change if they were all Roman Catholics and also practiced their faith?

We owe a debt to the world! People used to intuitively understand that.

 

[Portrait]

Ah, a Biblical literalist.
Tell me, do you think that shellfish should be banned and slavery should be legal (as the Bible would suggest) too?

Dear AngryAtheist,

Hello again and thankyou for the above.

Sacred Scripture, dear friend, does not condone slavery and I recall that we discussed this topic on a previous thread.

St. Paul could say that “there is neither bond nor free…for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Gal. 3: 28), without loudly and imprudently proclaiming emancipation from the rooftops. What he did was to lay down such principles as would at once mitigate the lot of slaves and finally lead to the abolishing of slavery itself wherever Christian civilisation has had leavening effect. To have argued for the sudden destruction of an institution that had become so much a part of the social fabric, would have been decidedly unwise and would have elicited much hostility and persecution against nascent Church.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

pax

 

[Serap]

The Catholic Planet position is big on humility (and most likely humiliation) for women, but it promotes the traditional ‘a man’s home is his castle’ idea with regard to men (in other words, a man is the* master* of his wife and children).

I agree with ManOnFire though on not being materialistic. If a mother works, she should also make her children a huge priority. I work and do not pursue promotions, so I can go home at 5 and be with my kids. I never make weekend plans that do not include my kids.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Yes, but dad can do the same at home too and AMEN to that.

Your family structure is working. Families work as a partnership to do what is best for their family. God has blessed your beautiful family.

Do you think a stay at home dad is wrong? Portrait does.

Possibly.
I still think that Portrait may be trolling this thread.
Perhaps I am being too optimistic but I suspect he’s more reasonable than he’s coming across as. If that is the case then Portrait is just pulling our collective (metaphorical) chain for his own amusement:shrug:

 

[heart4home]

This thread has so many posts…hard to wade in at this point…but…

Why did God create each on one of us?

Catholic answer: God made each person to know Him, to love Him, and to serve Him in this life, and to be happy with Him in the next.

We are not on this earth to build careers. We are here to build God’s Kingdom and to be part of that Kingdom, and to help people enter God’s Kingdom. It is easy to lose that obvious fact in the midst of all the pressure to build empires and awesome careers. Case in point, one of the most stated reasons young people make for going to college is to, “find a career they absolutely love.” No thought to doing what God wants them to do, no thought to doing something they are actually good at–nope, they MUST find something they love to do, and therein describes the sorry state we are in.

Men and women used to aspire to become mature, get married, have a family, and to give back to the world at large through those actions. That is considered an old-fashioned idea today, and it is nearly lost on a me-first culture.

The question we should be asking (imo) is not whether women can work in careers, of course they can if they so choose to do. The real question is: how can we best serve God by sevring our families?

What is the best configuration for the family? Can we agree that for the sake of children that having one parent fulltime at home is the best configuration FOR THEM? Can we agree that a stable marriage of one Mother and one Father is the best configuration FOR THEM? Can we agree that to best encourage a healthy Church, we must give back to that Church through stable and mature families we raise for God?

We need more good practicing Roman Catholic Christians. We need less me’ism across the board. The world has over two-billion Christians who claim to be followers of Christ, can you image how the world would change if they were all Roman Catholics and also practiced their faith?

We owe a debt to the world!

Beautiful!!

 

[Mickey]

They are not insults, they are accurate descriptions.
Here’s a post that he made earlier in the thread to illustrate my point:

That did not illustrate your “point” at all. I thought the post was quite insightful.

 

[irishpatrick]

Beautiful!!

Thank you. I believe the world, and the USA, suffers because it has lost its way. It makes “self” far more important than God. Yet, this life passes in a twinkle of the eye, and still it has a profound impact on eternity.

Our real homes (also many forget this truth) is Heaven, we are pilgrims here on earth. We truly do have a “Mission from God.” Each and every person has a “Mission from God.”

So many people also forget that God does NOT need us–we sinful and fallen people need God.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

**No he is not. And if you are also trying to set forth the idea that Portrait is attempting to champion some type of Christian “Sharia Law”…then you are sadly mistaken also.**What does Sacred Scripture and Church Fathers/Mothers have to say about this?

Read the thread.
Portrait has consistently promoted the idea that women should be relegated to the domestic sphere.
Moreover he has even refused to answer my question about whether or not in his ideal world (where women didn’t work outside the home) women and girls would be educated at all (which I find very telling).

As I pointed out, it would be easier to keep women ‘in their place’ if they were illiterate. Something that groups like the Taliban clearly recognize.

 

[Mickey]

We are not on this earth to build careers. We are here to build God’s Kingdom and to be part of that Kingdom, and to help people enter God’s Kingdom. It is easy to lose that obvious fact in the midst of all the pressure to build empires and awesome careers. Case in point, one of the most stated reasons young people make for going to college is to, “find a career they absolutely love.” No thought to doing what God wants them to do, no thought to doing something they are actually good at–nope, they MUST find something they love to do, and therein describes the sorry state we are in.

Men and women used to aspire to become mature, get married, have a large family, and to give back to the world at large through those actions. That is considered an old-fashioned idea today, and it is nearly lost on a me-first culture.

 

[irishpatrick]

I wonder where the Church would be today, and what would the state of the country and world be today, if Catholics focused their energies on God, and not on self.

At the end of our lives, will God care how much money we made, or how awesome our jobs were? Or, will God care what kind of people we were, and in what way did we give back to His Kingdom through our love for Him and others?

Other than being a Priest, is there really anything God gives that is greater than raising His children? How can any career (doctor, lawyer, engineer, nurse, etc) compare to raising Godly children? Whether it is the Mother or the Father raising the children, is there any greater calling or vocation (with perhaps the sole exception of Priest)?

Ultimately, we tend to make things far more complicated than they really are…and we do that because we want “OUR” personal plans to hold the day, rather than working for God’s plans for all humanity.

Funnily enough, many men have finally come to understand the amazing vocation and gift behind raising a family from home–many have lost their jobs and are now fulltime parents in the home, and most will tell you they do NOT want to go back to their old lives, they find far more reward in taking care of their children, then in going off to work every day. There are reasons for that, there is Grace and blessings received in serving others like stay-at-home parents must do for their children…it is incredibly difficult work, yet amazingly rewarding–and there are only rare times in life when a person can feel so completely that they have given back to the world in a manner in which they too received.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

Dear AngryAtheist,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

**Your remmark above, dear friend, is a flagrant distortion of my position and I am at a loss as to how you would think that I might “advocate some sort of Catholic (sharia style) state enforced gender segregation”. **

The divine providence (nor cultural stereotyping) has so ordered it that men and women have different roles and that there should be a division of labour. It is only secular femenism in recent times that has sought to either obliterate or blur these God-given differences.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

Do you think women should have the right to:

1. Own property in their own name (even if their married).
2. Work outside the home.
3. Vote and exercise political power in other ways.
4. Enter important fields such as medicine, the law, engineering, research & development, etc.
5. Attain positions of influence and power such as judge, senator, CEO, president, etc.
6. Be held to the same basic legal standards as men.

If you would answer no to all these things (and your history in this thread indicates that you would) then your position is indeed in line with some form of Catholic sharia law.

 

[Mickey]

Moreover he has even refused to answer my question about whether or not in his ideal world (where women didn’t work outside the home) women and girls would be educated at all (which I find very telling).

As I pointed out, it would be easier to keep women ‘in their place’ if they were illiterate. Something that groups like the Taliban clearly recognize.

Perhaps he is tired of reading your constant attacks and insults.

I know I am.

 

[Portrait]

At least you admit that in your vision of the ideal society, women would be firmly at the bottom.

Dear AngryAtheist,

Hello again.

What I am arguing for, dear friend, is for married women to exclusively submit themselves to being home makers and to understand that their is nothing inferior or denigrating about this. Secular femenism and its godless propaganda has subjected married women to a continual barrage of nonesense about their right to pursue a career and be a mother. It is now expected of them to be a part of the workforce, as devoting oneself exclusively to being a wife and mother is considered demeaning and unfulfilling. Catholics should never have bought into this un-Christian and secular mindset.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

 

[Mickey]

At the end of a life, will God care how much money we made, or how awesome our jobs were?

No.

Or, will God care what kind of people we were, and in what way did we give back to His Kingdom through our love for Him and others?

Yes.

How can any career (doctor, lawyer, engineer, nurse, etc) compare to raising Godly children?

Indeed.

The family is the hub of the spiritual life. The mother is the heart of the home and bears the responsibility for creating a prayerful and spiritual atmosphere in the home. Support of the mother through the cherishing protection of her husband and the love of her parents and extended family and their guidance strengthens her in her awesome task. The mother spends more time with the children and because of this bears the responsibility of bringing her children to Christ.
**Katina Kay Kostoulas, Ph.D.
**

 

[irishpatrick]

No.
Yes.
Indeed.

The family is the hub of the spiritual life. The mother is the heart of the home and bears the responsibility for creating a prayerful and spiritual atmosphere in the home. Support of the mother through the cherishing protection of her husband and the love of her parents and extended family and their guidance strengthens her in her awesome task. The mother spends more time with the children and because of this bears the responsibility of bringing her children to Christ.
**Katina Kay Kostoulas, Ph.D.
**

I agree, yet in some cases today fathers find themselves in a position to raise the children. In doing so, they find the amazing reward behind that vocation.

 

[Serap]

Mickey,

You have darted my question to you.

Is it ok for a family to have a stay at hom dad while mom works?

Is it ok for a mom to work?

It’s very telling that you haven’t yet responded to my question asked earlier twice.

 

[Serap]

People often use scripture to justify their own personal beliefs.