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**Marian Horvat: The “Nice Girl” **
** By A. Gerard Nordskoven **
** Watching a Catholic community autodestruct is wrenching. The Society for Tradition, Family & Property, or TFP, is eating Kansas City alive. It is a scenario played out all over the world. TFP is an all-male secret society promoting a “higher” calling than the priesthood, the warrior-monk. TFP is a cold-blooded vocation killer. Not one priest has arisen from their “conservative” formation of young men anywhere in its international ranks since its founding in the early sixties. None. One of TFP’s slickest Screwtapes has been a woman, Marian Horvat. Horvat, president of the TFP’s California offshoot, Tradition in Action, distinguished herself as one of four collaborating signatories to “We Resist You to the Face,” a manifesto for Catholic schism. Before that, Horvat’s duties were in the heartland, and more along the line of “We Stab You in the Back” with the quiet destruction of the faithful. She’s a “nice girl”, well-spoken and polite. And she gave TFP and their ideas entré into nice families. The Catholic scholars at her alma mater, K.U., saw through the Horvat family obsession with TFP and rejected their overtures to infiltrate the Integrated Humanities Program, a veritable incubator for clerics and other religious. Others have not been so discerning. Pious boys exploring their calling have hardened into caustic snobs who are taught by TFP recruiters to despise their parents as “the fountain of my revolution.” **
** The simplest mystery of Judeo-Christianity is election. Yet it is almost unfathomable that the Most High chooses to grace souls and peoples for reasons unknown to man. The antithesis of election, indeed a tenet of Babylonian Mystery Religions (as is secrecy), is elitism. This is man exalting himself above other men. We were warned. The Lord reviled the people’s desire for a king to rule over them, and told of their inevitable exploitation. Hindu elitism is writ in the squalor of a rigid caste system. ****The unholy marriage of elitism and Catholicity was fabricated in TFP founder Plinio’s book, The Nobility and Traditional Elites. It was offered for sale after the Latin Mass approved by the KCMO Bishop. $50.00 was the penance exacted for presuming to be a noble, elite Catholic. But the young salesmen were friends of Marian, glowingly praised in the tome. And she was smart, a K.U. teaching assistant who hammered a journalism degree into a doctorate in Medieval History. **
** Few read the lavishly illustrated book, consigning it to the coffee table. ****In Nobility, the race and blood cults condemned by Piux XII are resurrected in his own words, spin doctored to fit TFP’s agenda. Pius XII’s flattering pleas to the nobility of Italy for funds to feed the starving during World War II are transformed into support for TFP’s militant monarchists. Published two years before Plinio’s death, Marian Horvat garnered high honors from the author for her assistance. That’s saying a lot. Plinio Correa de Oliveira was a self-styled demigod, described reflexively in a TFP litany to his mother, Dona Lucilia, as the “Axiological Principle,” or First Cause, a divinity. That’s the secret side of TFP. In Plinio’s book, the elite are defined as bluebloods, and as “professors” like himself and Marian. It is a predatory philosophy of NON SERVIAM, like the fictional spaceman’s cookbook, “How to Serve Man.” Horvat’s brother adds information for the American audience. The elite of America were the Southern slaveholder in general, and genetic marvels like Robert E. Lee in specific. Here is the race and blood cult American style. **
**Priests do not fit into the TFP schema. They serve. They are poor. They don’t rule countries. The colorful “scroll” centerfold in Nobility proclaims “the preferential option for the nobility.” John Paul II’s “preferential option for the poor” is directly contradicted. That’s refreshing. There can be no question whose side they are on. The schismatic heraldry of “We Resist You to the Face” was just a flourish on a split with the Servant of Servants started years before. TFP disdains the priesthood, predicting it’s obsolescence. No priests, no Eucharist. Wormwood, be advised. Horvat’s crocodile tears for lost vocations as inspiring “We Resist You to the Face” are hypocritical. Styling herself a latter day Joan of Arc, Horvat is a free agent serving only demigod Plinio and the Ten Kings of the Antichrist with no regard for prelates unless they are useful as camouflage for TFP, or Tradition in Action, or the America Needs Fatima cash cow. Radical materialism is the name of the game and another hallmark of Babylonian Mystery Religions. That’s the philosophical basis for Communism, so it is no surprise that K.U.'s long-time campus Communist converted to Horvat’s brand of Catholicism. One gets all the exploitation without any of the guilt. The poor are solicited by mail for a dollar a day, and the wealthy get quietly approached for donations of homes, large sums of money, and farms, not to mention the entrustment of children. Horvat guided the formation of young women in her home-school Sodality, and the children of “traditional” Catholics in other educational venues. **cont’d
 
Marian Horvat is an apt pupil of TFP’s techniques, and ingratiates herself to the wealthy, well-educated and powerful only. Peasants are the enemy, and perhaps too reminiscent of her blue-collar background. Catholic scholars cotton to her, and she sailed her pirate ship under their colors whenever possible. Alice Von Hildebrand was shamefully used in discussions aired on EWTN. She slipped one over on the elderly philosopher by dropping Plinio’s name into the mix. EWTN got wind of it and axed the “Feminity and Feminism” series. But this virago is far from feminine. Horvat’s favorite ploy for testing the mettle of protegés at the family compound was to invite them over and release their snapping, snarling German Shephards. Some left, some signed on to continue undermining the Catholic community in her stead. Horvat came razor close to imposing a TFP school on Kansas City residents under the banner of a conservative Catholic education. The monied Texas woman Horvat talked into bankrolling the venture got wind of her unseemly connections and mercifully withdrew. ** ** Watch for this coiling snake of Babylonian cast, and beg the Blessed Virgin to have bare feet ready to crush its head. Postcards may be found in the back of church from “America Needs Fatima.” One response and it is virtually impossible to be free from TFP’s dunning direct mail solicitation. And the Boys from Brazil are very appealing as they march like Medieval militants in their red capes, inserting themselves at the head of pro-life rallies, or setting up bookstalls at Catholic conferences, usually without permission. They are spoiling for a fight, and it is not with the forces of evil for which they claim they need lots of cash. It is with the Magisterium, in that they are already condemned by the Brazilian bishops conference, their home country. It is with Peter, as “We Resist You to the Face” obsequiously declares. It is with God, as blithely breaking the first command to honor no false gods. That’s Plinio, who did not arise from the dead as he prophesied of himself. And do watch out for nice girls in pearls.–A. Gerard Nordskoven
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kelebekler.com/cesnur/storia/gb14.htm

“The Wanderer” did a series of exposes on Tradition, Family & Property by former TFP members some years back and this included the litany prayed to TFP founder Plinio’s mother included in the above link. The scenarios in the articles were supported by other ex-victims in subsequent Letters to the Editor. Besides the Litany to Dona Lucilia, it was reported TFP members were praying the “Hail, Mary” using Dona Lucilia’s name and Plinio’s name in place of the Virgin Mary and Jesus. At that time and unknown to me, the American TFP president was a member of my Latin Mass parish in Kansas City before shifting operations to Pennsylvania.

I was already revolted after having actually read the coffee table book, The Nobility and the Analogous Traditional Elites book written by Plinio and another parish member, Marian Horvat. Nobility was sold by TFP members after Mass at Our Lady of Sorrows in Kansas City. The words of Pius XII were twisted from flattering the Italian nobility to solicit donations during World War II into a support of TFP’s elitism. The second half pandered to pro-slavery racists.

“The Wanderer” articles and Letters to the Editors were reprinted and distributed at that parish, and included TFP’s Litany to Dona Lucilia. A pre-printed response was then distributed by angry TFP supporters including, not a repudiation of the perverse Litany to Dona Lucilia, but an affirmation that the litany is recited yet is licit as a private devotion. Legalists. The great tragedy is that families served up their children to these gnostics along with cash. TFP members covertly took years to build up trust and scammed the KC flock for plenty. If a farmer has a farm, the snob appeal of giving it to TFP to help fight the good fight was irresistible. Members were hot to buy titles of nobility on sale from cash-strapped Europeans. Elitism is the antithesis of Judeo-Christian election.

Today TFP has generally had their cover blown in Kansas City and the parish priests are constantly on the lookout for TFP or America Needs Fatima weepy postcards left to gather more names for their direct mail lists. TFP/ANF is swooping in and holding rosary rallies at area shopping centers to get more valuable names and addresses in their quest for cash by direct mail solicitation. Our area World Apostolate of Fatima/Blue Army holds real rosary rallies in real Catholic churches. The Blue Army has circulated TFP’s condemnation by Brazil’s bishops: it’s a cult of personality; it exploits Our Lady for cash; it’s secretive and not Catholic. Each TFP group is “independent” which avoids legal difficulties so they do not consider themselves condemned. Legalists.

Yes, TFP “warrior-monks” jump in front of pro-life rallies and parade around, but they neither organize nor support them financially. This is the old Communist ploy called “co-opting”–just slap another layer on top of a popular movement and claim it as your own. Don’t be ashamed if you were tricked. TFP is an international ring breaking families and bank accounts all over the world. TFP goes for the long con, and if they can trick a pathologist, a corporate attorney, and a wily farmer, they can get anybody. One KU student duped by TFP simply disappeared, years later calling his family to voice his regrets over joining TFP and again disappearing. While the adopted child victimized by a TFP family in Missouri cannot be considered normative, the point is these people are wildly secretive. TFP membes are just itching to get Medieval on somebody. Pray for me, please. They love family compounds and lots of weapons. And cash. The “We Re$i$t You to the Face” Sede Vacantist pamphlet, once online, has now been turned into a book, ten dollars cash American, please, available from Marian Horvat’s TFP splinter group, Tradition in Action/TIA.

Blessed Virgin Mary, sweetly make us as pure and meek as you that we may perfectly please our Brother, your Son, Jesus Christ; and may we follow the counsel of the Holy Spirit in obeying Christ’s dictum to be “as wise as serpents and harmless as doves”; and may our beings wholly honor our Abba in Heaven. AMEN
 
Well, the name itself should be caution. Note: I know nothing about this group and did not know TIA was associated with them. “Tradition, Family & Property” Property? Bit of a red flag right there, I’d day.

I suppose the Catholic Church is not immune to cults. Ignore their appearance or what they say: “by their fruits shall ye know them”; what are they actually doing? Always a good guide.
 
I think TIA is generally supportive of a more formal and less casual society as one of necessary attributes for making people everywhere generally more moral.

So, slang, language that is less reverent than other language, good manners, greeting people properly, standing and sitting properly, etc. etc… all that get focused on.

For the general casual American spirit not brought up with the manners for any formal occasion whatsoever it’s a bit of a stretch, but good medicine.

After all, if you think about it, consciously speaking about ‘children’ instead of ‘kids’ does make one think more respectfully in one’s mind, which is a positive interior reform.

At least in my case, when I think of the term ‘kids’ I generally do think of rambunctious little ones more than holy and respectful little ones.

Goats instead of sheep!
kid (n.)
Extended meaning of “child” first recorded as slang 1599, established in informal usage by 1840s.

Kiddo first recorded 1896. It applied to skillful young thieves and pugilists since at least 1812. Kid stuff “something easy” is from 1923.

Also, the Oxford English Dictionary traces the origin of the English word “kid” to the Original Teutonic kidjo and connects it to kissin in Old High German and *kitlin *and kidnin, and in Old English to cyddan, kuddjan.

I think the English word “kid,” as in a human child, owes much to the German word for child – kind (pronounced keend) – and not necessarily to “kid” itself. The word “child” itself is from Old English cild (pronounced ‘kild’) and Original Teutonic kilpo.

Now, aren’t you glad you asked? 😉
 
Don’t hold back, nordskoven.

You’re among friends here. Tell us what you REALLY think.
 
This is all very interesting nordskoven, though it is off the thread subject, I’m going to ask anyway because I am glad to learn about it…

How did you have the personal experience with the TFP and Marian Horvat to write this article? What was it like?

How do you explain the quite different face the TFP and TIA websites have compared to all the accusations of what they believe in regards to Plinio and the cult worship of this figure? Is it a coverup on the front so that they can bring people to these beliefs or have they abandoned some of them? How are they structured really, are they individual groups or is there a head office?

What do they typically respond to when asked about these accusations against them? Do they deny them outright or explain them in a different way? What more can you tell us about the cultish beliefs surrounding Plinio?
 
I attended the Latin Mass at Our Lady of Sorrows in KCMO for years. The Indult Mass was granted in the context of heated protests at various parishes and SSPX incursion after things like bulldozers displacing tabernacles from sanctuaries. There I was distressed to hear rather vicious attacks on liberal priests. Not surprisingly, many in the Latin Mass Community gravitated to the Society of Saint Pius X/ SSPX at St. Vincent’s in KCMO. They were at least honest about their affiliation with SSPX. The Drake family and the Horvat family were not open about their considerable Tradition, Family & Property ties, Drake having been the national director of TFP.

TFP brought in speakers with other sponsors, like TFP-now-TIA superstar Atila Sinke Guimaraes hosted by the University of Kansas history department to which the charming Marian Horvat was then attached as a teaching assistant. TFP speakers were polished blowhards unable to address life before Medieval times. Simply, this is because to TFP history begins with Charlemagne. TFP minions have lots of swords and Medieval action figures. Horvat’s doctorate was taken as a Medievalist.

SSPX sucked lots of mad rad trad parishioners away overtly and TFP/TIA sucked a lot away covertly, more deadly. I bought the hefty The Nobility and Analogous Traditional Elites book by Plinio and Marian Horvat and actually read it. Aghast, I asked other parishioners about TFP and the book, a horrific chop job on Pius XII’s private audiences begging the nobles of Italy for cash during World War II, combined with a paean of praise for America’s slaveholders. Many having fled TFP’s grasp were reluctant to openly voice their concerns as the group really is really threatening, and they felt stupid for being duped by punks in suits. All because we don’t realize elitism and God’s election are mutually exclusive. Some spoke out.

TFP members and sympathizers were frothing mad and physically confronted those who exposed things like the Litany to Dona Lucilia but otherwise just passed out their pre-printed reply to the faithful and quietly carried on the long con. TFP still sucked in kids–I mean “children”–and cash and property from mad rad trads. Marian Horvat and Guimaraes split off from TFP to form Tradition in Action, doing stuff like fighting with Bishop Bruskewitz of Lincoln, Nebraska, who knows a Gnostic when his See sees one. Horvat was actively affiliating herself with any prominent Catholic or Catholic group able to provide cover for her false flag operation, including Alice Von Hildebrand, EWTN, TAN books and Fr. Gruner’s Fatima Crusaders.

American TFP is technically all-male and run out of Pennsylvania as supported by a Stepford-type ladies auxiliary. Legally independent TFP groups worldwide recruit teenage boys to brainwash into staying single. They run TFP Tupperware-type Rosary sales parties, flash capes at pro-life protests they crash, and drive caravan routes selling books. Getting cash, and names to get cash by mail, is central. Plinio fooled Brazil’s Bishop Castro Mayer for years! They fooled the FSSP priest on the Kansas side and are well entrenched there just by volunteering. Horvat’s TIA almost fooled one of the Hunt heirs. It’s easy to get dazzled by the pseudo-intellectual BS and the pricey full-color postcards, pamphlets and books. Priests are just props to these users as are churches and real Catholics. Thank God for priests in this Year of the Priest. My parish priest refused my early request for the then-unknown TFP to sponsor an event at my parish! I still remember the sad look on his face. May he rest in peace and may he pray for sheep like me.
 
**Back when I learned the virtues, “formal” was not one of them. Exactly how far back in English usage would be virtuous enough for this writer? Edwardian? Victorian? Elizabethan, perhaps? Shall we have a vote on resurrecting “thy” and “thou”? **
Oog argh ugg grumph rarg og idiomatic grr agaag oop.*

*Proto-Cromagnon, “maybe you need to go back even further.”
 
Oog argh ugg grumph rarg og idiomatic grr agaag oop.*

*Proto-Cromagnon, “maybe you need to go back even further.”
You think I learned the virtues that long ago? Wow, maybe I do need to start dying my hair.
 
I find this telling:
Need I recall the daily clothing of men and women – the unisex sweat suit, the tiresome blue jean and t-shirt, the perpetual tennis shoes – that diminish the dignity of men and erase differences in professions and social levels?
Boldface emphasis mine.

So… What is the trendy serf wearing these days? Are sabots still the vogue? Should I still tug my forelock? (Doesn’t that sound like a euphemism?)

One should remind the author that while He was indeed of David’s house, Our Lord – and His best friends, the first Princes of the Church – were decidedly working-class. And would probably not be welcome at any TIA functions.

Except maybe Matthew, he had a good government job. 👍
 
Of course there are times for formal language and times for informal language…but does that mean we all have to use court-speak all the time?

**Can you use or hear the word “Mom” without concern about how the Mother of Our Lord might feel about how that term diminishes the dignity of mothers? Or worse: “Mama”? **That one is practically goat-speak! When you hear it used, do you have any fear that we will be soon referring to Our Lady as the Mama of God? I kind of doubt it.
Mark 14:36:
And [Jesus] saith: Abba, Father, all things are possible to thee: remove this chalice from me; but not what I will, but what thou wilt.
"Abba"? Is outrage!!! :mad:
 
I think using a different language to the one you use in everyday life is a good idea. “Now I’m speaking to my neighbour, but now Introibo ad altare Dei …”.

Takes you out of the mundane and into the spititual. It’s a conscious decision.

Also, you’re less bothered by the double-meanings that attach to your everyday language, especially in these days of constant innuendo and vulgarity in the media.
 
10 points, Layman!

As a matter of fact, it is the custom at the Chapel of the Burning Bush at St. Catherine’s Monastery on Mt. Sinai for all to remove their shoes.

Oh, the horror!
Well, considering what the Chapel of the Burning Bush is in reference to - umm, Moses and God speaking to him in the burning bush was told to remove his shoes!
kid (n.)
Extended meaning of “child” first recorded as slang 1599, established in informal usage by 1840s.

Kiddo first recorded 1896. It applied to skillful young thieves and pugilists since at least 1812. Kid stuff “something easy” is from 1923.

Also, the Oxford English Dictionary traces the origin of the English word “kid” to the Original Teutonic kidjo and connects it to kissin in Old High German and *kitlin *and kidnin, and in Old English to cyddan, kuddjan.

I think the English word “kid,” as in a human child, owes much to the German word for child – kind (pronounced keend) – and not necessarily to “kid” itself. The word “child” itself is from Old English cild (pronounced ‘kild’) and Original Teutonic kilpo.

Now, aren’t you glad you asked? 😉
Didn’t ask but am glad you posted this. I love learning about the English language!

Oh, as for using kid vs. child, I do prefer child when speaking about children. I also prefer using “who” or “whom” instead of “that” which seems to have become the norm and has some what dehumanized our speech (Do you see the man who walked across the street? vs. Do you see the man that walked across the street?) In a small way the word “that” removes the humaness (is that even a word) about the man and feeds into our culture of death.

Brenda V.
 
I don’t like the locution “kid,” but then I’m stuffy enough to get bothered when an anchorman says “cops” instead of “police.” I also resent it when a stranger calls me by my first name. None of this, however, suggests anything to me about the state of the speaker’s soul, and insinuating that it should sets off my kook radar.

(Of course, the word “kid” also carries affectionate undertones, so it’s probably no surprise that I’m never tempted to use it in reference to children!)
 
It seems like typical rad trad stuffiness to me. sheesh, and these people wonder why they never get invited to any parties.
 
It seems like typical rad trad stuffiness to me. sheesh, and these people wonder why they never get invited to any parties.
LOL!
:rotfl:
I can her them saying …Those "kids’ never invite me to their parties!
 
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